Janners Way

[Ganinos]

Just found out about this \"discussion\".  It seems to me that there is a lot of misunderstanding concerning what happend between the SCoY & Xillix.  Let me try to clarify things a bit.  For those that don\'t know I am one of the original members of the SCoY.

Xillix has been using the Temple as her headquarters not us.  We do not have a headquarters anywhere.

Xillix asked us to support her as Octarch.  We dicussed it & decided to oppose her.  We needed to meet with her to inform her of our decission & asked her where she would like to meet.  It was her choice to met in the temple.  We didn\'t summon her.  We asked to meet with her so we could give her our decicission.

As I stated we sent a delegation consisting of 4 of us.  That delegation consisted of Ogu, Easton,Illori & Myself. Xillix\'s side invited a large contingent & someone from their side even tried to delay things so others could attend.  I even asked them \"Are you trying to turn this into a circus?\"

As has been stated over, & over & over again & again.  We have made no claims that we are the government.  Just because we didn\'t advertise ourselves does not make us a \"secret organization\".  Many people in-game knew we existed.  We didn\'t try to actively hide our existance.  We wanted to grow slowly at 1st.  It was always intended to be open to most everyone.  There is nothing sinister about the SCoY.  It is an affiliation of guilds only & we are constantly looking to add to it.  

Janner, you & I have been friends for a very long time.  I have had & still do have a lot of respect for you.  I was sad when you left PS & was glad when you returned.  It looks to me that you have been missinformed on some things & mis understood others.  Janner, from one friend to another, the SCoYs goals & your goals are simalar.  Lets not get into a feud over misunderstandings.

Respectfully,


Gan, \"Long Beard\"
Leader White Dragon Clan
Dragon High Master in the Dragon Council
Original member of the SCoY

[Pestilence]

I give up Janner. If you want to believe we are a group of powerhungry people go ahead.

If you don\'t want to believe us even knowing people like me, Ganinos, Rioth, Eolius, Ogu and Sensotaka then that is your loss.

The respect I had for you was great, but your actions here of taking conclusions while only hearing one side of the story and asuming the worst of us has greatly deminished that respect.

Even now you wont admit you were probably wrong about us. Even when proven the facts you sling at us are simply not true. You now cling to a few words as your whole case that before I showed them you didn\'t even know, but your conclusions were already ready.

If someone said you were starting something becuase you were powerhungry or it looked that way I would ask you about it before posting acusations like that. I am sorry to find you did not.

[Cyl]

Janner. This. Is. Just. A. Game...

cool down, chill out.

You go around shouting that noone elected them, noone supports them. This is not true. This council is supported by guilds, yes by whole guilds, who chose it to be so. Guilds are institutions of power, and they have the right to do what ever the heck they feel like with their power, it was their decision, not mine, not yours.

And as an alliance of guilds they have the right to try and interfere with every and each single conflict they want to interfere with.

I am not sure that you know, but what you try is to strip other players of their freedom of speech and their freedom of playing the way they want to.

[r.guppy]

Originally posted by Cyl
Janner. This. Is. Just. A. Game...

cool down, chill out.

You go around shouting that noone elected them, noone supports them. This is not true. This council is supported by guilds, yes by whole guilds, who chose it to be so. Guilds are institutions of power, and they have the right to do what ever the heck they feel like with their power, it was their decision, not mine, not yours.

And as an alliance of guilds they have the right to try and interfere with every and each single conflict they want to interfere with.

I am not sure that you know, but what you try is to strip other players of their freedom of speech and their freedom of playing the way they want to.

This. Is. Just. A. Game...

cool down, chill out.

 I know its a game, and i am chilled out. smiles

 

You go around shouting that noone elected them, noone supports them.

 I said They were not elected, I did not say they were not supported,

 

I am not sure that you know, but what you try is to strip other players of their freedom of speech and their freedom of playing the way they want to.

 If i read this right i role my guild with a iron rod and God help all who apose me. Don\'t think so.

Ganinos my friend yes it seams i did get a few bum steers, I concede that. But to do it in secret, don\'t really see why to start the planning yes ok, but to be all in place and active before going public, sorry but i feel it was wrong, also i might add you are only out in the open now because of me, I may go about things in a funny way but my intension was not to radical or slander but was only pointing out i felt it was wrong to do it this way.[in my opinon] If you were open about it a bit sooner i would have most likly suported you.

[LigH]

I am afraid to answer here. I wonder if I should or should not. I will probably be misunderstood (and not being a native english speaker will only be one factor of several).

But I have to...

Janner, you already acted \"head over heels\" a few times. One time it made your \"children\" create an own guild to stay together without their \"daddy\".

Now this case ... for someone who doesn\'t know you longer and better, it looks like you being jealous of not being one of the founding members of the SCoY. But just these emotional actions might have been one of the reason why you were considered as early member but actually not asked right away. And declaring Ruby Reign as a guild with some order and principles may have been the trigger to invite us just a few days ago.

You are still free to apply for joining the council - but you really should only see it as some kind of \"loose alliance between several guilds\" at the moment, a cooperative organisation between guilds with similar intentions.

I would enjoy you and your guild meeting the council presidium, sorting out misunderstandngs and telling your opinion. If you say that your style will not match ours, it would be a pity, but your decision.

[r.guppy]

I am not jealous or emotional or even head over heels.
 I have no desire what soever of joining or being in SCoY.
 I have a deep mistrust of things done in secret.

 If it was more open from the beginning I would have no problem with it.

 

I am not a man to lead and not a man to follow, I wish to be good and do as I want, as long as it harms no one.

 From my first post. Remember it I do.

[Rioth]

Originally posted by r.guppy
but to be all in place and active before going public, sorry but i feel it was wrong

To build a council with such goals as what the SCoY have, it was needed to build a strong base first before getting all in the open. Otherwise it wouldn\'t have lasted long, and the SCoY would have remained a dream. Of course you may feel it was wrong, but others also felt it was wrong to rush things.

Originally posted by r.guppy
also i might add you are only out in the open now because of me

It\'s not the case. We have planned to make an official announcement for some time now already. Note that RL isn\'t always willing to let us (players) do as we plan.

Originally posted by r.guppy
If you were open about it a bit sooner i would have most likly suported you.

Then I think you should reconsider your position. Would you ponder what I said above, I\'m sure you will anyway.

[r.guppy]

Originally posted by Rioth

Originally posted by r.guppy
but to be all in place and active before going public, sorry but i feel it was wrong

To build a council with such goals as what the SCoY have, it was needed to build a strong base first before getting all in the open. Otherwise it wouldn\'t have lasted long, and the SCoY would have remained a dream. Of course you may feel it was wrong, but others also felt it was wrong to rush things.

Originally posted by r.guppy
also i might add you are only out in the open now because of me

It\'s not the case. We have planned to make an official announcement for some time now already. Note that RL isn\'t always willing to let us (players) do as we plan.

Originally posted by r.guppy
If you were open about it a bit sooner i would have most likely supported you.

Then I think you should reconsider your position. Would you ponder what I said above, I\'m sure you will anyway.

I wonder why you would think this, \"Otherwise it wouldn\'t have lasted long\"

 I cant argue there as it has just kicked me in the teeth. (yesterday) \"Note that RL isn\'t always willing to let us (players) do as we plan.\"

but will argue planning to and doing are not the same.

 Time will tell if you are doing this for the right reasons and indeed if i am wrong to mistrust you.

[zanzibar]

Janner, I speak as someone who is not on good terms with the majority of those on the ScoY.

Don\'t worry about them, they aren\'t acting with any mallice.  Janner\'s way would probably do well to have a seat at their table.

[r.guppy]

Originally posted by zanzibar
Janner, I speak as someone who is not on good terms with the majority of those on the ScoY.

Don\'t worry about them, they aren\'t acting with any mallice.  Janner\'s way would probably do well to have a seat at their table.

 I wonder sometimes if i am not from another planet, I know my spelling and grammar is bad. But come on even if I 100% approved of them and totally agreed with the way thy went about doing it. I don\'t wont a seat on there council or anyone else\'s for that matter. I am happy doing things my way and don\'t wont to tell anyone how to do it, do it your way.

[Karyuu]

For the last time in the thread... they\'re not telling people what to do. They don\'t control anyone but their own guilds, who agree to this.

[r.guppy]

The YliakumMilitia I 100% approve off and wish them the very best of luck. If a need arises i will help them in anyway i can. They were formed as a result of a event in Ojaveda, and  was done in the open and not in secret .

[zorbels]

Janner there are secrets all around you. This is a game, and not everything has to be cleared. I know the people who have been working on SKoY have kept it out of the public eye. Did you ever stop to think why? I think is it safe to assume that these people were working on a system and wanted to make it stable before introducing it. Think about it, they would have people asking question ... don\'t you think they would want to be prepared. They are uniting guilds to fight evil that may arise in Yliakum. Something in which I thought you stood for? I don\'t understand why you are so against this... even if it is done behind the sceens and introduced later ... what does that matter? You don\'t trust it? Yet you have been friends with most of these people who represent SKoY. You know they are all good people, but you bash them and lash out. I don\'t know you well Janner but I think you need to think about the things you are saying and become clear with the facts .....  you have many of them wrong. (This was all ooc just to make sure that is understood)

[r.guppy]

My dear zorbels.
 Yes most are my friends and most i trust very much but i fell i must point out a FRIEND of mine when i quit made a alto of me and was going to make money out of my name, Another FRIEND took a bribe to keep quit about it.
 So never fully trust your friends, keep a open mind to things and if you fell something is wrong would you keep quit or voice your thoughts.
 I voiced my thoughts and most have been answered to the good, and i have conceded to let this matter be solved over time, if i was wrong in my doubts no harm done only to me for my mistrust , that i will live with.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Karyuu
For the last time in the thread... they\'re not telling people what to do. They don\'t control anyone but their own guilds, who agree to this.

That isn\'t exactly all there is to it.  They have an interest in PS\'s society and the way things \'happen\'.  And they want to fight evil.  What is evil though?  Is evil a tactic, a career choice?  Is evil a guild?  Is evil a person?  Whatever it is, they aren\'t simply concerned with their own guilds... even if their own guilds are what they control directly.