a thought about that hurricane

[steuben]

i was thinking about this earlier today.

that hurricane was a little bit convient. it is exactly what the bush government needed to distracted the populace from the quagemire that is iraq. the us military spawned that storm. the then directed it to a plausible, but rarely hit, location.

presto, instant distraction. americans are no longer thinking about iraq. they now see bush and the republicans as rescuers that helped to rebuild new orleans and the area.

*removes tin foil hat*

[Robinmagus]

Robin eggs the whitehouse To hell with bottled water!!!!!

[Valbrandr]

Did anyone else hear that gas prices could go up 30-60 cents because of the stop in production in the gulf.  I only seen this on the local news.  But if this does happen Im going to be even more upset and the Bush Regime.  I know they want to open up Alaska, so when prices go up it just makes me think they are trying to get us to do something that we dont want to do.

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Valbrandr
Did anyone else hear that gas prices could go up 30-60 cents because of the stop in production in the gulf.  I only seen this on the local news.  But if this does happen Im going to be even more upset and the Bush Regime.  I know they want to open up Alaska, so when prices go up it just makes me think they are trying to get us to do something that we dont want to do.

Ok wake up people we have been needing to open up Alaska for drilling for a long time.

The oil supply in the middle east has been runing out; in part to what has been destroyed in the many many wars in part of the word (not just the handfull we have been in).

We have already been geting a large chunk of our raw petrolium from the Alaskan pipeline and it has been running no where near capacity.

No single oil company has any controll over the price of oil most of this comes from the ludicruss bidding that occures in the stock exchange, natural disasters like Katrina, and yes the dwindaling oil supplys world wide.


All we ever hear about is how Bush is causeing the price of gas to rise.

Alright then take this into consideration remember all those vinyards that were recently destroyed in Italy? Well guess what they whent and destroyed a very large source of cheap, cost effective, environmentaly frienly, fuel that works  excedingly well in our curent internal combustion engiens.

They could have used the grapes from all those vines as an endless suply of ethanol with wich they could have flooded the markets droping the price of gas world wide.

Oops, been blameing the wrong people have we?

[Valbrandr]

Actually the middle east is not anywhere close to running out of oil and Alaska has very little compared to what many of the countries have.  From what I understand, if we keep our consumtion at the same rate the entire world will be out of oil.  What we need to do is some research about alternative fuels.  That would be best.. not even mentioning what it will do for the enviroment.  But opening up our protected land.. just for a little oil because Bush says it is what we need to do.. its crap.  

Oh wait.. one more thing we shouldnt have done, elect him twice .

[RussianVodka]

We can always go back to using coal

I remember a few years back watching the news in Russia, and one of the topics was that some body (some body important i guess) asked the government why so much coal is being mined and yet hardly any is being used. And the responce the government gave was that Russia alone had a coal reserve to last a few hundred years, yet the way the way things are going, the world may run out of oil by the end of the century...

Well... Look on the bright side... Chimney sweeps will be back in business!

[Monketh]

The most obvious solution is for people to stop purchasing SUVs and turn off the lights at night, but I don\'t see that happening soon.  Seriously, the raw amount of SUVs in my area is just frightening.

BTW: At 14,000 gallons of water to one gallon of ethanol, ethanol is decidely not the solution.


Edit: I\'m sure you\'re all aware that the media doesn\'t need a hurricane to distract it.  Hurricanes, Tsunamis, and other acts of Earth are not secret ploys by the Bush Administration.  After all, the war\'s been going on for a while now, and the media\'s getting bored with it.

[Efflixi Aduro]

Gas prices suck big time and im in los angeles we\'ve got it the worst.
Everything is more expensive here.. gas, cars, houses (700,000 for a pathetic shack) *sigh* texas here i come!

[derwoodly]

Ahh a good Bush bashin thread in the plaza! We have not had one of those in several months.

So now, Bush is not only the most evilist man on the planet who can control the price of oil by manipulating the very people that hate him the most, Now he is also able to control the weather!

Are you mental? Quit reading blogs and use the brain God gave you.

If you want to attack Bush hit him where he is truely wrong.  His open border policy with Mexico has his own party screaming mad at him.  The budget is way out of control and his lack of communication skills are horriable.  He can not give a speach with out the nervous chuckling that drives me crazy (and I voted for him).

By the way my heart goes out to those back east that have been effected by the Hurricane (most likely you will not read this as you are in some kind of shelter without internet access).

FYI. I agree with Hatch on the drillin Alaska thing. I have not seen any evidence that the environment will be harmed at all.  It is just an emotion issue brought up by people that have never been to Alaska.

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[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Valbrandr
Actually the middle east is not anywhere close to running out of oil and Alaska has very little compared to what many of the countries have.  From what I understand, if we keep our consumtion at the same rate the entire world will be out of oil.  What we need to do is some research about alternative fuels.  That would be best.. not even mentioning what it will do for the enviroment.  But opening up our protected land.. just for a little oil because Bush says it is what we need to do.. its crap.  

Oh wait.. one more thing we shouldnt have done, elect him twice .

Must I point out all the areas in the middle east that are now dry of oil? Oil is a non replenishable reasourse; the more you take the less there is; and Opek has been pumping oil at an incredably dangerous rate for years just to maintain their hold on the market.

Originaly posted by Monketh
BTW: At 14,000 gallons of water to one gallon of ethanol, ethanol is decidely not the solution.
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Umm monketh the need for water is determined by the type of alchohol used to make the ethanol. For example an alchohol such as wine or apple brandy which are made from fruit juices would actualy produce water as a byproduct. And with those such as wisky the most of the water would be reuseable.

[Valbrandr]

Actually Hatchnet OPEC (Oil Producing Exporting Countries) has kept production down so they can keep prices up and keep their oil as long as they can.  Yes and I do know what countries pump out.. or atleast what they were 6 months or so ago and I know it hasnt changed much.  And what countries have ran out of oil?  Not Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Kuwait.  Those are the big three there with Saudi at number one.  

Are you mental? Quit reading blogs and use the brain God gave you.

For one, this is one Bush bashing thread.. though I think there should be one each week until he is out of office so I can vent.  And sorry I have never read a blog in my life.. Most of what I have learned either comes strait from my schooling and my own research.  But opening up our reserves are not going to make things better.  If you did not know America only produces about half of the oil we use.. because we use so much.  And if we wanted to fully support ourselves we could but then we would run out of our oil even quicker.  And there are plenty of other reasons that we could yell at him.. but one of them is not the Open Door policy with Mexico.. One thing you didnt even mention was the war in Iraq which is atleast bogus.  And that is one more reason prices are up a little... Iraq used to produce about 3 million barrels of oil a day.. but now with all the attacks... since the war begun very little has been harvested with the outbreak of attacks.  

(and I voted for him)

looks like someone didnt use the brain god gave to them

[lanser]

Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro and everyone else who moaned about gas prices
Gas prices suck big time

Be glad you aren\'t living in Europe gas prices in the Uk are close to hitting $6.00 a gallon

[derwoodly]

The blog and mental comment was dirrected at Steuben and not you Valbrandr.  He accused Bush of makeing the Hurricane.

I ment the \"mental\" and \"Brains\" comments as a tongue in cheek kind of thing.  You seem a bit more serious.  So I will not make comment your retort of the brains comment other than to say I will not make comment on it.

I believe you are correct about the effect of drilling in Alaska.  It will not mean oil independance.  But it will also not destroy the environment.  Drilling for gas and oil will keep some of that money here in America.  For the record I got my information from a Trade journal for the Oil and gas industry.  You can draw your own conclutions from that.  What \"research\" have you done?  I hope it is not your public schooling!  With all the shooting and sex with teachers going on, your lucky just to come out alive or with some STD.

I am gettin off topic, the tread was about the War and the Hurricane.  The answer is NO, Our prez did not conjure up a hurricane using the \'dark way\'.

Again if your home was wiped out by the Hurricane but you still have some sort of internet access and you thought this thread was going to express some sympathy for your plight.  You have mine.  I will be donating to Red Cross I hope that helps.

[Valbrandr]

lol, the only thing I do not want is to take any arguement to a personal level.  If you thought I was out of line I apologize.  And my last comment was just a little joke nothing serious.. But No, I am a history and Political Science major.  I have about a year and a half left.  I have taken classes on Globalization (among other classes) in which The Economist was a required reading.  It is very helpful.. all sorts of statistics from how much oil produced to trade deficits and whatnot.  I am educated.  Now obviously my opinion is biased. because it is an opinion. But I try to keep an open mind.  I am still very angry about the last election so thats why I seem a bit agitated.

[derwoodly]

Your response was inline with what I said, so I realy can not take offense.

As to your frustration from the election, maybe I can help.  I am from a blue state, so my vote for him did not influence the election.  No doubt your upset at the red states for not seeing through Bush\'s \'lies\'.  Well the election did not depend on that.  Bush had a clear message, Kerry did not.  Kerry did a photo shoot in camo and holding a shotgun!  If you where a real hunter you noticed Kerry holding the gun incorrectly.  If you were pro gun control you voted for the Green party.  Bush is what he is, and 50% of the population don\'t hate him.  Just help your party elect someone less repulsive than Kerry.  

Now maybe you can help me out.  Why is it that the Democrats cater to the poor, and uneducated but not the rednecks? arn\'t us rednecks poor and uneducated?  I would like free government stuff too, but in order to get it I have to vote Repulican.