a thought about that hurricane

[derwoodly]

I am sure your just kidding arround when you say it is all Clintons fault.  I am not a big Clinton fan, but blaming our former president, or our current president for the price of gas or for bad laws, is misplaced.  You should find out who your representative and senators are, and blame them,  or if you need an easier target, blame our society in general

[Induane]

My comments were mostly satire.  I though the thread could use a little humor, it nice now and then.  I do dislike blaming society though, although I realize that most people are extremely affected by it, myself included.  If I had grown up a cannibal I would think that was normal, so our own ideas of these things are purely relative to upbrining, with a little independant thought of our own to work out the details of out thoughts and beliefs. Blaming society in general just isn\'t as productive as finding out who your reps are and contacting them as you said

[Valbrandr]

econd point: US\'s economy is strong because US accumulated lots of money with slaves, then with World Wars, keeps a high rate of people (when I mean high rate, I mean a rate that would never be accepted in Europe) in poverty, have a big population managed by the same media corporation making a big market easy to control, and dont give a f*ck about environment.

About our poverty rates.. yes they are too high because they should be zero.  However in this regard you cannot compare the US to any European country.  Because no country in Europe is going to have as strong of an influx of immigrants that the US has.  In which quite a few comes from quite a poor country (Mexico).. or course when these people get here they will be living in poverty which is going to make the statistics a bit messed up.  And whoever believes that America is controlled by a center cell media corporation then you would be very wrong.  Here there are a million different sides taken you just have to find it.  From Fox news to CNN to BBC whcih are quite different from eachother.  Yes our problem is the media.. for the most part it is controlled by a small group of elites. In which their views guide the direction of the news if you understand what I am saying.        

In addition it is not like America is against the environment oer se.  Capitalism trumps the environment is the problem. Every country on the planet has done something to the enviroement in order to \"Help\" themselves.  

Survive without USA? No I would say living life without USA would be very achievable, it wouldn\'t be as exciting celebrity picnic would be but it would be more then achievable. Just think lower obecity, lower crime rate, lower idiots (President, Senate, every politician).

Why do you keep bringing up the celebrity factor?  Where do you live.. Britain correct?  You have a Queen.. which is the biggest celebrity in the world.. So as Americans love their celebrities.. you love your Queen, Princes, Princesses  and whatever else you may have not even mentioning your celebrity stars and Knights.

[DepthBlade]

You know its time to stop posting when you tell someone they are from Britian when they clearly said in a earlier post they are Canadian, maybe you just read parts of it that you find easier to flame Why do I keep saying stuff about celebrities because once again this hits on Media, they are basicly the unofficial leaders of your country. They influence so much and your country more then others is eyes open to everything and anything stupid a celebrity icon does.

/me views Leji and cheers \"Reinforcements have Arrived\"

[Efflixi Aduro]

Damn why does everything turn into a flame usa contest.
Fepth I hate celebtiyies and if I had the oppertunity I would kick every one of their asses. Im not influenced by them in any way.
Iv seriously grown tired of all these useless flame america comments people post here.

[leji]

Efflixi: cause US has many reasons to be flamed I guess
Valbrandr: EU has a very high immigration rate too, what do you think ? that all the people from Africa who cross the sea to get to Italy or Spain just come to visit ? And what about people from Asia coming in full cargo ships ? Each and every rich country has a high immigration rate, I\'ll have to check the rates later to compare, or maybe you could do it ?

[Xordan]

UK rocks you all..... especially the French. ()

Half of us hate the queen and all her relatives.

Communism really sucks.

The US government didn\'t spawn this storm out of nowhere to try and cover up Iraq a bit.

Bush was the best guy to vote at the time. Everyone else seemed false. Bush is a bit lacking in skills, but not false. (I mean, who the hell wins _3_ purple hearts without any horrible scars... most people don\'t earn 1 and live to show it.)

A perfect social system should reward people who are very clever, and/or work hard and contribute their maximum to society. The harder your job, the more you earn on top of a good minimum standard given to the people who work hard. Society should look after those incapable of contributing. Everyone else can die.

Communism with those additions works perfectly... I call it Xordanism.  

Oil prices rose because there\'s no longer much oil coming out of the southern states, as well as a decrease coming out of the middle east... none of which is due to shortages.

Michael Moore is a liberal moonbat.

And that\'s my contribution

[Valbrandr]

I am doing that as we speak.. having trouble finding all the info I want but here is some info about the United States :

n 1994, the United States granted legal residency, asylum or refugee status to 804,416 foreigners.  While illegal immigration numbers can\'t be pinpointed with accuracy, at least 300,000 people are believed to enter unlawfully each year.

                                    -Washinton Assiociated Press : 1996

I understand this is from 96 but it was the top article at CNN.com... Google had nothing but crap and I am very tired right now.  Just checked our government site and they only go up to 1996 as well.. so I will assume that this data is very close to accurate give or take a hundred thousand.

Let me get some more info then I will update

Edit:  My grandfather has 3 purple hearts and atleast one bronze star.. but yeah he has plenty of scars

And Depth.. I saw where you worked. but for some reason I thought you were from the UK.  Oh well I guess we all make mistakes

[derwoodly]

Well, when it comes to clebrities, most of the time I am very cynical.  When a actor or actress gets on the TV and says we end poverty, cure cancer, stop terror, or declair themself scientologist\'s,  I not only ignore them, but I try to avoid movies that they make.

On the other hand, when one of them says that they are greatfull for America giving them everything they have, and that if it was not for the fans, they would still be washing dishes at Denny\'s then I think they are credible.

FYI, I did notice that Depth was from Canada, and worked in the power generation industry.  Hopefully Val will notice sometime soon.

Edit [ Nice post Xordan ]

[leji]

Translations from France government figures:

Immigration in France: 0.3% of the population each year

which is approximately the same figure as US (I\'m not sure about US pop so I can be accurate)

Europe is the first destination for migrants in the world. The top three countries being, Spain, Italy and UK

Bleh they dont like France

Xordan: Bush is the biggest liar I\'ve ever seen on TV, you think he\'s fine as a president ? fine for me ... As for communism, the idea is just perfect, everyone gets a minimum + something proportionnal to the work performed... the only problem is that it cant be realized with human beings, we just all have to transform to ants, and we will live happy
As for Michael Moore, you cant blame him for showing how stupid some things are in US, especially the president... There are stupid things in every countries, he just chose to show the ones in US.

[Platyna]

Oh sure, mother nature decided to go easy with Bush and secure is political
career, come on, if Americans wouldn\'t like his politics they wouldn\'t elect him
another time. Stronger countries gets more, now they has Iraq oil in their fist,
good for them, one of strongers human instincts is craving for power and for
possession, there was Egypt, Persia, Babylon, China, Greeks, Romans, Polish,
Russians, now there is USA\'s turn, so blubbering they did wrong invading a
country full of fanatics and psychopates to get oil is something completly
natural. Surely that they did it for word peace is silly excuse, everyone knows
what it is about and Americans seems to like it. Everyone would. Surely that
what American soldiers are doing with Iraqis is below humanity and no soberly
thinking persons will accept it. Anyway, human is an animal, we are artists,
scientists, heroes, engineers, but first of all we are just the animals, and that
hurricane only shows what happens with the people in extreme situations.
When you want to survive, you are not an artist, scientist or engineer, you are
just one of many animals who everyday fight to stay alive and there is nothing
unusual here, so I don\'t blame Americans from New Orlean who behaved like
a bunch of cased beasts and I can asure you, you all would behave in the
same way in such situation, especially that Bush doesn\'t care.


Regards.

[Xordan]

Originally posted by Platyna
When you want to survive, you are not an artist, scientist or engineer, you are
just one of many animals who everyday fight to stay alive and there is nothing
unusual here, so I don\'t blame Americans from New Orlean who behaved like
a bunch of cased beasts and I can asure you, you all would behave in the
same way in such situation, especially that Bush doesn\'t care.

Yup, it\'s every man for himself when it comes down to survival for most people. The more intellegent ones stick together and work in groups, but the concept is still the same. Those who think that humans are above that level usually die.

leji: Jacque Chirac is the biggest jackass I\'ve ever seen on TV (Yes, even more than Michael Moore), and you think he\'s fine for president? I don\'t think that Bush is that bad. At least he does what he truely believes is good for his country... even if what he believes isn\'t that smart.

[ramlambmoo]

At least he does what he truely believes is good for his country... even if what he believes isn\'t that smart.

Well Im not sure about you, but I\'d rather have a leader that has evil intentions but ends up doing intelligent, good things, then a leader with good intentions that ends up doing stupid and dangerous things.  Bush\'s good intentions dont really mean anything- It\'s his actions and desicions that count.  Having good intentions doesnt really cut it when you\'re the leader of a country of 260 million people.

[Xordan]

Originally posted by ramlambmoo
Well Im not sure about you, but I\'d rather have a leader that has evil intentions but ends up doing intelligent, good things, then a leader with good intentions that ends up doing stupid and dangerous things.  Bush\'s good intentions dont really mean anything- It\'s his actions and desicions that count.  Having good intentions doesnt really cut it when you\'re the leader of a country of 260 million people.

Sure, but you don\'t get leaders that have evil intentions but end up doing intelligent, good things. I don\'t think Bush is a great president, but he was better than anyone else running. I just hope that there\'s better candidates next elections.

[derwoodly]

Originally posted by Platyna
Surely that
what American soldiers are doing with Iraqis is below humanity and no soberly
thinking persons will accept it.

Care to elaborate on this?