An Invitation to all Guild Leaders

[ramlambmoo]

1. No duelling in the plaza at all  

What area exactly do you mean by plaza?  Previously the universal rule for Guild Wars was no Duelling on the steps or lower, and no duelling in the Tavern Either.  Maybe something about people heading directly between the two weren\'t to be touched either, I cant exactly remember.  You should add the Tavern to that list since it has always been \"off-limits\" in all the Guild wars I have observed, because it was (apparently) some sort of non-verbal non-written but enforced anyway rule.

[Easton]

i say all of Hydlaa be off-limits.

The arena is acceptable of course

Easton Ghent

[darkw00t]

i kill some people in Plaza sometimes but that is usually when they challenge me....

[Easton]

okay, well do you agree that the plaza should be a designated kill-free zone?

Easton Ghent

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Pip
1. No duelling in the plaza at all

The GMs have already banned duelling in the plaza.

Originally posted by Pip
2. A verbal challenge is made giving a) reason for challenge b) weapons preferred (including fists) c) whether magic should/shouldn\'t be used d) place and time

In many cases, this is impractical and unnecessary.  Simply do not enter a fight you do not personally wish to enter.

Originally posted by Pip
4. When the conditions discussed in 2. and 3. have been met, the duel should begin - both the Challenger and the Challengee should place themselves at a convenient length facing each other.

There are mechanics to the PVP system which all individuals with a good connection are able to exploit:

- hit and run attacks
- bugging the system into attacking the instant the other guy gets within range
- starting the attack before the challenge is accepted, resulting in attacking the instant the challenge is accepted instead of having any sort of wait
- double clicking such that you accept the challenge and start your attack at the same time, while the other guy might have to deal with his reaction time



All of these can be justified in a role-playing context.  The alternative is to simply let the guy with the highest stats, best shortcuts, and luckiest dice-rolls win.   Since people usually die from the first hit, this is boring to me.

Originally posted by Pip
5. For training purposes go to an empty room in the arena or away from areas which are busy, where parties can challenge each other as much as they wish. (This may suit those who like to fight each other for fun)

Since you can\'t really stop attacking someone easily in a duel, people just train - for better or for worse - in the death realm so that people who are still learning don\'t have to walk all the way back to the arena.  The arena however is perfect for last-man-standing style guild wars.

Originally posted by Pip
6. In the case of a guild war terms should be drawn up and agreed between the leaders of the warring guilds.

Every been in a guild war?

[darkw00t]

I think in the tavern there should be allowed fights but only with fists...and not on a repeat occasion..

[Karyuu]

Nonsense. In any decent, proper tavern, fights are either quickly ended by other patrons or forced to the outside. Kada\'s isn\'t some shabby rundown unguarded property >:\\

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Karyuu
Nonsense. In any decent, proper tavern, fights are either quickly ended by other patrons or forced to the outside.

I would join in...

Originally posted by Karyuu
Kada\'s isn\'t some shabby rundown unguarded property >:\\

Indeed, despise having apparent absence of staff and mushrooms growing in it :P

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Karyuu
Nonsense. In any decent, proper tavern, fights are either quickly ended by other patrons or forced to the outside. Kada\'s isn\'t some shabby rundown unguarded property >:\\

Right, but the brawl would still be there.  In my ideal PVP system, you could start fighting anyone at anytime - but with severe consequences for your actions.

[Sangwa]

Originally posted by zanzibar
Right, but the brawl would still be there.  In my ideal PVP system, you could start fighting anyone at anytime - but with severe consequences for your actions.

Yes, that would be my ideal PVP system too. Unfortunely we have to make do with what we have at the moment.

[Pip]

I thank you all for your comments.

Originally posted by ramlambmoo

1. No duelling in the plaza at all  

What area exactly do you mean by plaza?  Previously the universal rule for Guild Wars was no Duelling on the steps or lower, and no duelling in the Tavern Either.  Maybe something about people heading directly between the two weren\'t to be touched either, I cant exactly remember.  You should add the Tavern to that list since it has always been \"off-limits\" in all the Guild wars I have observed, because it was (apparently) some sort of non-verbal non-written but enforced anyway rule.

OK, but I wouldn\'t expect anyone to want to duel in the tavern

Originally posted by Easton
i say all of Hydlaa be off-limits.

I say there are other places that are open and usually empty that would be suitable. But if anyone agrees with Easton, please say so.
I have expanded point 1. though.

Originally posted by zanzibar
The GMs have already banned duelling in the plaza.

Which is why it should be incorporated. Incidentally, of which guild are you leader, Zanzibar?? And the death realm is not a suitable place for this behaviour as many newbies find their way there; unless you find a place well away from the bridge where everyone has to pass.

Originally posted by Sangwa

Originally posted by zanzibar
Right, but the brawl would still be there.  In my ideal PVP system, you could start fighting anyone at anytime - but with severe consequences for your actions.

Yes, that would be my ideal PVP system too. Unfortunately we have to make do with what we have at the moment.

And if we get a proper handle on the roleplaying of duels perhaps the devs will see the way forward to give us just that, at least outside the towns.

We must make the best of things as they are for now.

[ramlambmoo]

Which is why it should be incorporated. Incidentally, of which guild are you leader, Zanzibar??

Incidentally, of what Guild are you leader?  You cannot just make a thread for guild leaders only, unless you want to look like a fool.  Everyone in the Planeshift community is equally entitled to state their opinion, and If you want to make something like this uniform, like you seem to suggest, you would do well not to ostracise people before you\'ve even started.  For the record, I believe being a respected member in a Guild is equal if not higher than a leader of some irrelivant noob guild.  Being the \"leader\" of a \"guild\" means nothing.  I for one believe that any member of my Guild (if you could call it that now; though technically It still remains) is equal to any other; Thus I will not agree to any of these proposals if he is excluded from stating his opinion.  It\'s all well and good to get respected members of the community to say this is a good idea, but last time I checked, they weren\'t the ones doing most of the Dueling and Guild Wars, which is what you\'re trying to regulate.  You (should) already know how reluctant the people who duel are to listen to others; perhaps it would be wise not to give them further reason to ignore you?

[colonel_vanderbal]

Ramlambmoo does have a fair point but i do agree that some guide lines need to be set and i think what you have here is a great start i for one will post these up for my guild to see in our forum\'s and take there views on the matter.

[r.guppy]

Pip is doing this on my behalaf and as you have probably noticed i cant spell, and i draw your atention to the title of this thread.
 it is her intension to get guild leaders to agrea on a code of conduct for guilds to follow and there for she had a right to adress guild leaders on my behalf,and yes this thread was intended for guild leaders whill all coments are welcome.
  Deliberutly did not yous my spell checker

[Pip]

Originally posted by colonel_vanderbal
Ramlambmoo does have a fair point but i do agree that some guide lines need to be set and i think what you have here is a great start i for one will post these up for my guild to see in our forum\'s and take there views on the matter.

If too many people where putting forward their ideas it would be impossible to keep track. Better to do as you say and consult your guild and bring your guild consensus to this forum.

The idea is for guilds to build a code of conduct, which their members must follow and hope that the rest of the community will follow suit. Constructive comments are welcome from anyone.

Originally posted by ramlambmoo
 I for one believe that any member of my Guild (if you could call it that now; though technically It still remains) is equal to any other; Thus I will not agree to any of these proposals if he is excluded from stating his opinion.  

Your members are not excluded from commenting, it is up to you, as leader, to bring those views to the forum.

This is entitled \"An Invitation to all Guild Leaders\" for a very good reason, which is to keep it streamlined and easy to compile. Guild leaders can discuss within their guilds as much as they wish. Individuals who do not belong to a guild are welcome to comment if they wish.