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« Reply #135 on: October 19, 2005, 12:57:05 am »
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I say yes online few hours 10+ challenges for no reason found off button.




Uh, where were you when you were challenged?  If you were in the arena, then duelling is why people go there.
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« Reply #136 on: October 19, 2005, 01:30:39 am »
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« Reply #137 on: October 19, 2005, 06:43:20 am »
Someone asked me why this thread was off topic.  Simple.  So far all I see is two sides fighting over something which has nothing to do with guilds.  If you want to debate something fine.  When you want to debate something for 7 pages not fine.

Now, this is the second warning.  Next I will close the thread.

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« Reply #138 on: October 19, 2005, 06:47:51 am »
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Someone asked me why this thread was off topic.  Simple.  So far all I see is two sides fighting over something which has nothing to do with guilds.  If you want to debate something fine.  When you want to debate something for 7 pages not fine.

Now, this is the second warning.  Next I will close the thread.





I agree that it isn\'t about guilds anymore.  Just move it to General Discussion.  Problem solved.
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« Reply #139 on: October 19, 2005, 10:56:54 am »
Me say before me new but took long time to read and try to under stand.
 Me think from your last post you now stat your true felling, you no wonted this to happen and have all along set out to destroy it.

 i will say that the resin for this post was a attempt to bring order to mayhem, and think the idea of rules for duels be a good idea, and a start no matter how small can in time make a big difference.

 Me think back stab, murder is a different issue all together, as i am understanding is not yet implemented, so to do this you have to talk, ie RP.

 And war witch has all ready been stated is up to guilds, as i see it thats the only type of war in game anyway, and i further point out that there is no option in creation place, for a soldier, only option for a archer, (not in game yet) so this says to me makers of game do not wont wars or not needed yet.

 Added this as me forget.

 Me also would say we have a police force in game, called GM`s and as i understand it they were once and are still players, so fell this is best left to them as they no problems and should no best how to handle them.  
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« Reply #140 on: October 19, 2005, 12:22:50 pm »
me thinks you are hard to understand
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« Reply #141 on: October 19, 2005, 12:48:47 pm »
Me try much harder to talk better if you tell me whot was hard to understand please
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« Reply #142 on: October 19, 2005, 07:33:06 pm »
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Me say before me new but took long time to read and try to under stand.
 Me think from your last post you now stat your true felling, you no wonted this to happen and have all along set out to destroy it.

 i will say that the resin for this post was a attempt to bring order to mayhem, and think the idea of rules for duels be a good idea, and a start no matter how small can in time make a big difference.

 Me think back stab, murder is a different issue all together, as i am understanding is not yet implemented, so to do this you have to talk, ie RP.

 And war witch has all ready been stated is up to guilds, as i see it thats the only type of war in game anyway, and i further point out that there is no option in creation place, for a soldier, only option for a archer, (not in game yet) so this says to me makers of game do not wont wars or not needed yet.

 Added this as me forget.

 Me also would say we have a police force in game, called GM`s and as i understand it they were once and are still players, so fell this is best left to them as they no problems and should no best how to handle them.  




*sigh*  No.  We aren\'t against it \"just because\".  There are real, well thought out, valid reasons to not like those rules.  Also, GMs are not players.  They are not a police force.  They\'re moderators, and they prevent cheating and harrassment and violations of Planeshift rules and mechanics.

This is something entirely different.  These are essentially role-playing laws that a city or township would have.  They would be outside the scope of GMs, and they would HAVE to be enforced by PLAYERS.  AKA, the citizens of Hydlaa or Akkaio.
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« Reply #143 on: October 19, 2005, 08:26:18 pm »
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These are essentially role-playing laws that a city or township would have.  They would be outside the scope of GMs, and they would HAVE to be enforced by PLAYERS.  AKA, the citizens of Hydlaa or Akkaio.

Just one question: \"How?\"

> (Me) said: No duels on the plaza!
> (Troublemaker) said: I don\'t care.
> (Smartass) said: Did the Octarchs write that rule? No.

And GMs stand around, watch, and are either as careless, or as helpless.

As far as I can see in the poll, still a majority wants to support Pip\'s proposal of duelling rules. But as you already stated correctly: What are rules good for, if the game technology does not support forcing them?

I really would like to do more roleplaying with well prepared plots which take several days to be solved. But reasonless \"duels\" (removing the \"gentlemens agreement\" part of its meaning) really conflicts with my opinion about roleplaying.
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« Reply #144 on: October 19, 2005, 08:29:02 pm »
Me well confused?-!!

 You said )*sigh* No. We aren\'t against it .(  sounds me to you want !?!
 
 then you say )\"just because\". There are real, well thought out, valid reasons to not like those rules. ( not want!?!.

 And  you not thing GM`s police :) prevent cheating and harrassment and violations of Planeshift rules and mechanics. ( Me think that police work.

 And this )This is something entirely different. These are essentially role-playing laws that a city or township would have. ( Think you as confused as me no one make  laws just guild guides.

 you say )GMs are not players( me meant when not GM`s
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« Reply #145 on: October 20, 2005, 01:43:02 am »
Whether or not dueling should be allowed is not a guild related issue.  The Wish List, this thread should be made.

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« Reply #146 on: October 20, 2005, 02:08:12 am »
Ahahah..! Ah man, for fear of suffering Aendar\'s wrath, I\'ve simply moved the thread to General Discussion ;) Tell anyone who gets lost looking in other places. It would be hard to create a whole new thread for this, so right now Aendar simply doesn\'t have to deal with it in his domain :)

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« Reply #147 on: October 20, 2005, 02:27:45 am »
*takes the cake*
Aendar is appeased.

For now....   X(

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« Reply #148 on: October 21, 2005, 09:24:00 am »
1: An Invitation to all Guild Leaders.
I want no were else but in this place, can guild leaders have talk private, and be able to see all responses.

(for clarity, there is nowhere to talk and see who sent what, but on here)

2: ME think this was talk on getting a common consciences on how to RP a duel.

(Again for clarity, an attempt to make duels more fun instead of challenge - decline/accept, not a work-around to PvP. Even this was catered for in the proposals)

3: Me no under stand war talk?

(As was stated this was to be and is decided by guilds who want to fight each other, so all talk of war was not even meant to be in this discussion and was a clear attempt from those people who did not want this to happen, to kill this thread, and hey guess what; partly worked.)

4:This from other thread good valid against reason hope you mind not

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Not to the thought that there was a right and wrong way to duel, but to making more rules.

This is a matter of what is considered to be polite. But it cannot be allowed to become more than that. The endless rush in the forums, to make everything subject to rigid rules, stifles creativity.

1. There is RP that will require being impolite.

2. \"Hide and go Kill\" is too much fun, cannot be stopped, and the small disruption that a chase scene will bring, is attractive to Noobs, it shows them there is action to be had.

3. Similarly, a duel, loudly announced, and fought out of earshot but not out of view of the usual plaza gathering, perhaps on the other side of the fountain from Harnquist, would be a public spectacle, attractive to the newcomer and beneficial to PS.

I vote that this etiquette, \"A Duelling Code of Honor\" be published, as a book in the Library, to be specifically labeled as a guideline for those who are noble, and seek to follow the traditions of polite and honorable duelling.

It could then be taught to Noobs, by simply referring them to the Library. (Which needs a master catalog of titles, by the way.)

But do not ever call it a rule. Rules will be broken by all too many who have made breaking anything that is called a rule their sole mission.

You will get vastly more result than any rule will give you, if you simply say that this way of duelling is considered a noble and polite tradition and are disdainful of those who are ill-mannered.

Courtesy cannot be imposed upon the unwilling. You must lead by conspicuous example, and show how attractive it is to be elegant, instead.


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5: Talk like this good for debate, point being get over your say nice.

(no need to get all off track to get your point accross that you do not want this)

6: Why you move after long time here?

(Out of curiosity, why did it take 10 days and over 100 posts to decide this did not belong in guilds but in wish list, and then closed. Then reopened in General Discussions)
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« Reply #149 on: October 21, 2005, 09:32:47 am »
The thread originally belonged in the Guild Forum, but it went off-topic. When threads do that, they other get locked or moved. I decided for the latter. This was never moved to the Wishlist.

Semper, your posts are unfortunately really hard to understand. To quote someone, please use the following tags:

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by (NAME):[/i]
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It will make reading a ton easier :) Thanks!
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