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« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2005, 04:01:17 pm »
Why all this fus ofer a spie telling some1 he/she is a spie???

And if they where a secret guild and not wanting ppl to know about them, why does the spie spill the beans about them?

And plz, sofar there arent many things a spie can do to a PS guild, the game isn\'t so far in development yet. Maby later on in the game a spie can do damage to a guild.

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« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2005, 04:22:45 pm »
I\'m not a spy...Well not a guild spy at least (ask Rilar for details ;P)

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« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2005, 05:29:04 pm »
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You worry to much about spies, let them come and collect an pass the information. Though when swords clash and arrows fly no matter how much information was stolen the righteous will come out victorious.


*rolls eyes* Righteous!... HA!.


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And if they where a secret guild and not wanting ppl to know about them, why does the spie spill the beans about them?


Unless they have something to gain by showing their presence...


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And plz, sofar there arent many things a spie can do to a PS guild, the game isn\'t so far in development yet. Maby later on in the game a spie can do damage to a guild.


Your looking at this from a OOC point of view... and not a RP one.  And your spoiling the atmosphere.

[Edit] Setup
« Last Edit: October 25, 2005, 02:46:48 pm by Odessa Wildfire »

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« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2005, 05:43:35 pm »
Yeh, them showing themselves puts us in a mood of panic (in RP point of view, as Odessa said). Panic causes mistakes, blah, blah, blah. I\'m sure you know the deal if you actually think on it.




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« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2005, 06:04:57 pm »
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Listen, I have just been informed by a member of \"The Damned\" a guild that has been hidden for some time up until now, that they have sent spies into all of the major guilds in Planeshift. DE, GK, FL, TCF, TCOY, and I believe there are more. They have already launched a plan of war, to get revenge on a world that has rejected them...If we let them continue, there will be more distrust and confusion between all of us.

I have a log here of our conversation...

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Tue 18-Oct-2005 20:29:37 Mitaki Shinito
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(20:29:37) Mitaki says: The Damned?
(20:29:41) Mitaki says: ...
(20:29:45) Yanshu hissess.
(20:29:52) Yanshu says: What?
(20:30:06) Mitaki says: Err...Is there any real purpose for this guild? What is your objective?
(20:30:33) Yanshu says: You ask one whom only follows...
(20:30:58) Yanshu says: We have watched for long enough...
(20:31:21) Mitaki says: Hmm...Who is your leader?
(20:31:55) Yanshu says: Maybe you should look to your friends for that answer...
(20:33:20) Mitaki looks confused for a while... \"Wait...Could you possibly be...The reincarnation of the fallen darkness...?\"
(20:34:10) Mitaki says: Those who are not really mortal...I believe I am right, yes?
(20:34:15) Yanshu looks blankly
(20:34:27) Mitaki thinks he may have gotten too dramatic...
(20:34:33) Narcal bows to mitaki
(20:35:02) Yanshu says: Look to the history in the great archives... there you will learn.
(20:35:11) Mitaki says: Maybe...I could be wrong...Though I do not really have any information on this, you don\'t seem to be a regular Diaboli...
(20:35:26) Mitaki says: Hmm...Very well...
(20:35:53) Narcal tells you: i know this person has another character she plays with shes already changed her descripition and she just started
(20:35:55) Yanshu says: I represent our race in it purest form!. Corrupted!.
(20:36:28) Narcal says: (lol............. its aluna)
(20:36:30) Gondour says: hi you guys
(20:36:36) Narcal says: Hello
(20:36:37) Mitaki says: ...Corrupted? I think I understand...
(20:36:38) Gondour says: do you know the closest merchant around?
(20:36:51) Narcal says: yes right behind oyu uharnquist
(20:37:03) Gondour says: thanks
(20:37:06) Narcal says: kk
(20:37:24) Narcal tells you: i think its aluna
(20:37:31) Narcal says: (aluna)
(20:37:40) Mitaki says: I know you will bring great suffering in the future, you have an evil substance dwelling within you...
(20:37:55) Mitaki says: (Narcal, I\'ll give you two second to shut up and stop bothering us....)
(20:38:04) Mitaki says: (Please...>.>)
(20:38:23) Narcal says: (if you wish, np
(20:38:29) Yanshu says: [im sorry but you guessed wrong]
(20:38:32) Narcal takes his leave angrily
(20:38:59) Mitaki says: [I probably did...I know your most likely undead, I\'m just throwing wild guesses :| ]
(20:39:19) Yanshu says: [undead!?thats no possible]
(20:39:33) Mitaki says: [Errr....Summoned evil?]
(20:39:50) Mitaki says: [/me grabs an eraser and erases his last few lines]
(20:39:53) Yanshu says: [weve been about for a while]
(20:39:56) Narcal tells you: why such spite?
(20:40:15) You tell Narcal: Because you were running around like an idiot when we were trying to have a serious moment here...
(20:40:31) Mitaki says: [I\'ve never seen you before...Hidden guild?]
(20:40:41) Yanshu says: [;) correct]
(20:40:48) Narcal tells you: i was standing still if i recall you left and i was standing there when you returned
(20:41:08) Mitaki says: [Heh...What is your intention though? Revenge?]
(20:41:21) Mitaki says: [Thats the only other thing I can think of :| ]
(20:41:27) Yanshu says: [for our master yes]
(20:41:34) Narcal tells you: anyways........
(20:41:40) Yanshu says: [one who was know by many names]
(20:42:11) Mitaki says: [Amheh? Verrliit? Karsier?]
(20:42:19) Yanshu says: [lol... no...]
(20:42:29) Yanshu says: [go back futher]
(20:42:48) Mitaki says: [Hmm...I have no idea :| ]
(20:43:21) Yanshu says: [you know, you really should watch your members more closley...]
(20:43:47) Mitaki says: [Someone from the Shinito Blades? Well thats interesting...]
(20:44:01) Mitaki says: [or are you talking about the Lair?]
(20:44:05) Yanshu says: [Im reffering to spies[
(20:44:15) Yanshu says: [not us]
(20:44:29) Yanshu says: [but there are alliences]
(20:44:37) Mitaki says: [Spies in the lair?]
(20:44:44) Yanshu says: [youve got me monologging now lol]
(20:44:47) Mitaki says: [I feal naive now...Too many questions]
(20:45:16) Mitaki says: [Well say everything, stop splitting it up, adds too many lines :P ]
(20:45:31) Yanshu says: [thats my intention]
(20:45:45) Mitaki says: [Pfft...So there are spies in the Lair?]
(20:46:05) Yanshu says: [not just the Lair >:)]
(20:46:29) Mitaki says: [Crap...Padfoot!]
(20:46:33) Yanshu says: [because yourll never see me again... 15 guilds]
(20:47:06) Yanshu says: [Your friends arnt who they seems]
(20:47:26) Mitaki says: [Well this is news...]
(20:47:50) Yanshu says: [the GK were easy to enter]
(20:48:01) Mitaki says: [Heh, I figured, mass recruitive]
(20:48:01) Yanshu says: [the dark empire wasnt]
(20:48:09) Mitaki says: [o.O]
(20:48:22) Yanshu says: [your all to trusting]
(20:48:39) Mitaki says: [Hmm...]
(20:48:47) Yanshu says: [now... let it be known, war is coming]
(20:49:08) Mitaki says: [No...Not if I can stop it...]
(20:49:29) Yanshu says: [Your too late, things are in motion that cannot be stopped]
(20:49:44) Yanshu says: [this town has slept for far too long]
(20:50:03) Siferous says: can someone help a newbie out?
(20:50:18) Mitaki says: [Grr...We will meet again, on the battlefield next time though...You will not succeed]
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I\'ll leave this up to the guild masters to decide what to do...But this is a serious issue, that will need cooperation from both Good and Evil to defeat this greater entity...


overreactor...
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« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2005, 06:07:18 pm »
RP ruiner.




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« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2005, 06:12:15 pm »
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overreactor...


Was there any atual point to that?.  Other than a one line comment?.

[Edit] Yep, dam setup again...
« Last Edit: October 25, 2005, 02:46:22 pm by Odessa Wildfire »

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« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2005, 06:15:52 pm »
I don\'t think there was... And what do you mean one \'line\'? It was more like a one word comment...

Added: And there is the fact that Mitaki isn\'t overreacting, he is trying to point out the potential RP plot that can take place in PS.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2005, 06:17:00 pm by Farren Kutter »




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« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2005, 01:11:08 pm »
You smirk at the righteous why? Do you believe something different if so please share your wisdom with the rest of us.

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« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2005, 03:21:50 pm »
Odessa bows mockingly...

Smrik?... I do more than smirk...sir! and I will share nothing with no one.

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« Last Edit: October 25, 2005, 02:45:16 pm by Odessa Wildfire »

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« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2005, 03:33:55 pm »
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Thanks, I still don\'t know if I want to do it or not...I might just go solo, since the guild was a mess the last time around. No one actually shares my point of view, so its impossible to gather members to fit the Guild\'s plot, I had to get PLers and OOCers :P




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You worry to much about spies, let them come and collect an pass the information. Though when swords clash and arrows fly no matter how much information was stolen the righteous will come out victorious.



The real world is not so kind to those who do not use every tool at their disposal in the pursuit of power.  The Twin Blades of Arete know this well, and I greatly admire them for it.  But Kjeld knows that it is not power that defines the good and the evil, and I admired their order for it.  But I do not admire projection....

« Last Edit: October 24, 2005, 03:44:55 pm by zanzibar »
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« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2005, 01:04:49 pm »
A guild-spy can gather information about the guild internal/secreat rules and goals; guild and member behaviour, strenghts, missions and skills; way of thinking and/or dealing with internal and external situations.

Some guilds already have usefull knowledge that provide a boost to members strengths.

Don\'t forget the power of detailed maps of dificult/labirinthic areas, resource locations, trainers, skills, merchants, items, monsters, bandits, etc...

Quickly knowning who sells what at what price and where, provides a serious advantage, as you all may know.

The same can be said for trainning.

What good is there for a guild with plenty of weak dumb members ?

Now, how to deal with guild-spies ? We deal with it with various \"filter\" layers.

Our guild may have or not guild spies. No guild is imune to this.

Some guilds are harder to infiltrate than others. Some need a lot of time invested, others its as easy as finding an abandoned waybread.

I like to think that my guild is in the middle of this: It\'s a little hard to get in. One has to have at least will and lots of patience, because time is a very good filter ;)

After entering, the new member has very little access to what is known by the guild. Well, it has easy access to members tips and help, of course, but we like members that work for their knowledge, so, a guild-spy will have a hard time if he wants to access to higher ranks.
We have ways to \"teach\" or provide knowledge without dumping it the easy way to the new member.

If, by any chance, a guild-spy works hard enough to access most of the guild knowledge, well... he\'ll deserve that access since he worked for it anyway ;) ...and, usually, he had to provide and help the guild with even more data gathering, so... it\'ll be more or less a win/win situation.

If that guild-spy is inteligent enough, he\'ll come to the conclusion that he worked very hard to get all the information he got. Will he be stupid to give that hard-earned info to his lazy original-guild members ? Maybe. But, if that happens, we see no problem about it, since he already helped our guild with his work ;)

Is this a perfect system ? Nope, but at least we thought of it from the beginning.

At least we now know that some of our ideas are already being implemented in some new but already well respected and growing guilds, and that\'s very flattering :)

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« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2005, 03:45:07 pm »
Time is hardly a good filter against spies. If a spy is careless enough to get swayed by the longevity of his mission then probably he won\'t know what to do with the information anyway. Or the people it\'ll benefit will be as weakminded as a Trepor.

However I agree with you, it makes no difference if the spy gets away with some info, as long as he is repaying with some work.

It\'s folly to undertake the anti-spy policies of the other guilds, though. Each guild has a different knowledge to protect and different needs of protection. Your method might work for those who wish to gather knowledge, but it would be useless for those who have shadier plots with a stronger need of secrecy.

The Dark Empire for instance doesn\'t need to hide its plans. We don\'t go around shouting them, but we\'ll be sure to make them felt.

Let these \"Damned\" rejects attempt at our ranks. We will be pleased to deal with their kind.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2005, 03:48:56 pm by Sangwa »
Disclaimer: This is my opinion and I can be reasoned with. I'm probably right, though.

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« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2005, 04:30:42 pm »
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Time is hardly a good filter against spies. If a spy is careless enough to get swayed by the longevity of his mission then probably he won\'t know what to do with the information anyway. Or the people it\'ll benefit will be as weakminded as a Trepor.

As I said, it\'s just the first layer of filters.

We don\'t want dumb guild-spies. If we\'re going to get any guild-spies infiltrated in our ranks, at least let them be good ones that know what they are doing ;)

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However I agree with you, it makes no difference if the spy gets away with some info, as long as he is repaying with some work.

That\'s the main reason of my post where applicable, of course, because, like you said:

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It\'s folly to undertake the anti-spy policies of the other guilds, though. Each guild has a different knowledge to protect and different needs of protection. Your method might work for those who wish to gather knowledge, but it would be useless for those who have shadier plots with a stronger need of secrecy.

True :)

Some guilds have nothing to hide. Some don\'t even have anything to give, nor to protect. Some are only a bunch of clueless recruited members under the same name with nothing to do. Some may obey the guild leader, some may not even know who the heck is the leader or the purpose of their guild.

So, these anti-spy measures, if any, always depend of the guild, of course.

I know a couple of honey-pot guilds too. Specially created to attract guild-spies, with false and misleading information to \"share\", while trying to identify and maybe even counter-infiltrate into the guild-spy original guild. So... not even a guild-spy is safe in Yliakum ;)

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The Dark Empire for instance doesn\'t need to hide its plans.

Yeah, yeah, we all know of your plans. The best known \"secret\" of Yliakum !!! [OOC: kiding, eheh ! ;)]

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« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2005, 09:26:54 pm »
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Or any other good guild for that matter.. I mean, sure it makes you uneasy and angry, but lets face it, WHO CARES?! :D What sensitive info can spies reveal to their guild that could hurt.. Guilds aren\'t complex enough (Well.. not enough tools thats one) to have secrets yet, and theres nothing inside that can really damage things when it gets out yet..

Actually we are aware of spies in our guild, and we do know who a few of them are. But we don\'t kick them out or anything, cause they don\'t do any harm (so far).

You are pretty wrong actually...
I\'m always aware that any guild can have spies... I was aware that KS would attract spies.
Any guild can be complex enough to have secrets. You just have to know how to organise it :P


I\'m pretty sure no guild is 100% spy-proof. Although it might take more time in one guild than in others. Then after they are in they still have to work to gain access to important information... :P


I\'m not more worried than I was before.




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The Dark Empire for instance doesn\'t need to hide its plans.
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Yeah, yeah, we all know of your plans. The best known \"secret\" of Yliakum !!! [OOC: kiding, eheh ! ]

Secret objective?! OMG! *sends a few spies to DE* MWAHAHA! Your secrets shall be known!
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