Baddest of the Bad?

[Draklar]

Originally posted by buddha
Hey Sep,

now THAT\'S the kind of evil I\'m interested in.

Yeah, but like I said, it\'s irony.
Because even though that\'s probably the most \"evil\" thing that happened in PS up to day, still the person who did it was originally member of Mirth. The most happy and all around goody good guild in the realm.

The \"evilness\" of this act wasn\'t caused by any specific guild, but rather by a single person.
Then again, I might be wrong, seeing as Mirth was rather positive about spying, I think.

The guild which was considered the most good guild in the realm, causing the greatest harm up to day? Briliant.

[Kiern]

Is bringing down an evil guild evil?  Shadowhand was a rogue guild and (purely in a RP way, as I\'m friends with Yann) wouldn\'t getting rid of it benefit everyone else?  I was never really sure if he was Cabal or Mirth.

In any case, Davis was one of the last people who actually made these boards interesting..

[Draklar]

Well it depends if Shadowhand was really evil.
If they did spy on other guilds out of personal goals, then act of spying back (and in the end destruction) could be considered as an act of defense (However I don\'t see logic in something like that, as there would be absolutely no gain in doing so for them. I\'d rather expect offering services to other guilds, in which case it\'s more of neutral).
But rogues and spies could have multiple functions, some of which would be actually good (or rather lawful). For example see Majesty game.

In the end I don\'t know what was happening in there. Seperot most likely does.

[Suno_Regin]

Actually, to my perspective there aren\'t any evil guilds. Sending spies into other guilds is just typical war tactics, not evil...

Now evil, would be killing, mass murder, destruction, chaos, not little conflicts between two groups of idiots...>.>

[Draklar]

Yes, because killing, mass murder, destruction and chaos can\'t be considered to be war tactics... Right...

[Suno_Regin]

Well, it could be a move on all of Yliakum from evil people...or just something OOC related :|

My point is, that the evil guilds are nothing but talk, and the others simply have a grudge against another guild, but do nothing to people outside of that guild...So, the evil ones would be considered the most known people (not the Dark Empire, still mostly talk about some princess)

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Suno_Regin
So, the evil ones would be considered the most known people

\"So\"?
But you didn\'t give any reason for this sentence to be true. Please elaborate.

[Suno_Regin]

Forget it...You need to read the rest of it, not just one line -_-

(Don\'t say you did, I explained everything I needed to)

[Tranor]

Speak about me behind my back do you Seperot? Let us not forget who was the cause of my entering of Shadowhand...

I regret what I did now though because i grew rather fond of Errion as a friend. Don\'t do evil things, or else innocent kittens will die, thanks for ur time.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Suno_Regin
Forget it...You need to read the rest of it, not just one line -_-

(Don\'t say you did, I explained everything I needed to)

What the hell?
Saying that evil guilds are \"all talk\" is why the most known ones are the evil ones, doesn\'t make a logical sense. Get some education...
I asked for elaborating, not making a pointless post. You explained nothing.

[ramlambmoo]

Putting aside Am-Heh and his pathetic group (whatever it was called), which never did anything to really shake the world of Yliakum

I think the fact you dont even know what they are called shows you are completly ignorant of the situation, and perhaps you should heed your own words and realise that just because you havnt heard about it, doesnt mean it didnt happen.  After all, \"If some guild is really evil and has at least a bit of thinking ability, their \"evilness\" won\'t be really known.\", to quote yourself.

My point is, that the evil guilds are nothing but talk,

As opposed to whom, exactly?  Its funny watching people talk about evil guilds doing nothing, because the same applies to good guilds, and pretty much most guilds here: How many guilds can you really say have acheived much at all?  Apart from a very small selection who have set themselves one task and done it well (Explorers, Community of Vaalnor), there is very little action with guilds as a whole.  How many \'good\' guilds have done a whole lot of \'good\' things?  I would return the comment, and say you are nothing but talk, but since you are so poor at it I think It would insult those people who are nothing but talk, for at least they do it well.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by ramlambmoo

Putting aside Am-Heh and his pathetic group (whatever it was called), which never did anything to really shake the world of Yliakum

I think the fact you dont even know what they are called shows you are completly ignorant of the situation, and perhaps you should heed your own words and realise that just because you havnt heard about it, doesnt mean it didnt happen.  After all, \"If some guild is really evil and has at least a bit of thinking ability, their \"evilness\" won\'t be really known.\", to quote yourself.

That would be true if not for the fact that Am-Heh was bragging about how evil he is, so pretty much was completely opposed to \"If some guild is really evil and has at least a bit of thinking ability, their \"evilness\" won\'t be really known.\"
Actually, funny how you agreed to that and yet defend his guild as a properly evil guild... I believe that\'s called \"bias\".

My point is despise him bragging about the evilness, Yliakum wasn\'t shook by anything done by him.

\"and realise that just because you havnt heard about it, doesnt mean it didnt happen.\"
If I can\'t realise something happened, that means it didn\'t shook the Yliakum. I think that\'s logical?
Much unlike the Shadowhand case, which caused lots and lots of fighting between groups of people.

And I won\'t bother to remember the name, (Deus-ex or whatever) because it didn\'t really strike me as a proper name and the whole guild was behaving like a complete spoof of evil guilds.
Just for the sheer enjoyment of role-playing I choose to ignore guilds which don\'t seem to be seriously thought of.

Edit: If my char is going to fear about the shadows being thrown upon Yliakum, it\'ll be because of guilds like Dark Empire, which keep the role-playing standard and thus give me a role-playing reason to fear about their influence.
Guilds like Deus Ex, so guilds which:
Constantly brag about how evil they are,
Choose a name that wouldn\'t make any sense in the culture of Yliakum, solely for the purpose of sounding cool,
Show a lot of power-leveling behaviour,
Have a leader who was known for some trolling behaviour,
Aren\'t something that I\'d choose my char to worry about.

I also don\'t see how not remembering name of a guild which chooses some dumb name can be called ignorance. I believe trying to remember every single absurd someone comes up with is a sheer idiocy, actually. I mostly remember guilds for their behaviour, not their names. And Deus ex so far appeared to me as a band of clowns.

[seperot]

Originally posted by Tranor
Speak about me behind my back do you Seperot? Let us not forget who was the cause of my entering of Shadowhand...

I regret what I did now though because i grew rather fond of Errion as a friend. Don\'t do evil things, or else innocent kittens will die, thanks for ur time.

*Stabs tranor in  the back, throws him into a river then blows up the river*

>.>

Quiet you!

*Makes himself scares before people start putting 3 and 7 together....*

[Sangwa]

Previously posted by buddha:
Can you really be evil in game? Can you really be good? That\'s why I asked for examples.

Currently we can\'t count on actions that require the unwilling interaction of another. This, of course, makes it quite hard to be evil using the game\'s current system; most people don\'t go around accepting behaviours that are morally wrong.

Previously posted by Suno_Regin:
My point is, that the evil guilds are nothing but talk

You\'re almost right, in my opinion. Seeing that we can\'t use most of the current game system, we must count on the vehicle that can carry out the path we\'ve chosen for our character: Speech.
Fortunely speech is an important part of roleplaying, and so we enjoy roleplaying with people who willingly accept our evil, while we accept their good.
Despite the systems, speech will always be the most important in roleplaying. The characters and the players have to rely on communication so that they can roleplay together. There\'s little rational interaction without communication.

Previously posted by Suno_Regin:
Actually, to my perspective there aren\'t any evil guilds.

I\'ll give you my opinion then, since you\'ve shared yours. Evil isn\'t just limited to actions. Someone who wishes to cause misfortune to others (directly or indirectly) but has to wait for an oppurtunity is still being evil (seeing that this is a morally wrong behaviour.) I guess that\'s one of the reasons people get arrested by attempting murder, even though they didn\'t get to kill anyone.

Anyway, answering buddha\'s question: yes. You can be evil and good. However the evil alignment is limited by the current system.
How to be evil you ask? Plot, ask someone from a good guild (obviously considering that every aligned guild is a roleplay guild) to enter a war with you, use your speech to intimidate or (mis)lead people, avoid from helping others, laugh and point your finger to the less fortunate, etc.

As long as you\'re roleplaying and doing a good job at it, I think you\'ll have plenty of fun.

[Suno_Regin]

Actually, to what I\'ve seen so far, the only evil guilds are the ones who annoy people. Remember Jimmik? Killed, annoyed, got banned by GM\'s. Evil is mostly -limited- to mere talk, because most actions result in a broken OOC rule and a ban. If things were a little more implimented and understood with how far rules go, it could actually carry out (like what Sangwa said) but if you can\'t make a move until later, theres actually a halted take-over IC, and leaves confusion.

(I don\'t know what happened to Jimmik actually, but that was just an example)

An evil guild, is one that actually breaks things apart piece-by-piece (Odessa seems to be doing a good job, since shes actually made plans for an attack on Yliakum, the Dark Empire however, just talks about some lady that they worship...) and -battle- with the ones trying to protect Yliakum. They try to destroy the peace, and make it chaotic. Once again, the Dark Empire claims world domination, though I have not seen any action other then Jimmik\'s killing, which is really more of PKing than an IC take-over...

(I\'m not flaming DE, but if its going to claim to be evil, it needs to show it, not just act it out with evil laughs and dark colors)