SCoY

[narita]

Originally posted by zorbels
God people SCoY is like the United Nations in Real life. (If you don\'t know what is it look it up on the internet) How hard is it to figure out ......

Because it does not fit in Yliakum. According the UN site http://www.un.org/Overview/brief.html :

Day in and day out, the UN and its family of organizations work to promote respect for human rights, protect the environment, fight disease and reduce poverty.

I never see such cases in Yliakum. Well.. I sometime protect the environment sweeping things on the floor, but I do it OOC ;-)

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by zorbels
Oh really? Do enlighten me on what there is to be afraid of? Hmmm.....?

Certain people might be afraid of becoming outsiders, or they\'re afraid of being labelled as enemies.  I\'m not saying that those fears are at all justified, but they seem to be around in some circles.

[Easton]

Please do not mention the DE thing here as this has become an rp situation. Just to publicly post though, the council did meet and discuss this matter today. We will be speaking with Sangwa about the misunderstanding as soon as we run into sangwa. until then, i would say everything is speculation.

moving on..

@Herleva: again, if a guild makes decisions based on one person\'s thoughts (like the DE and the Princess) then they do not have to consult the rest of the guild. We hope that everyone would be notified, but each guild is run how they wish to run it. Again, we do not control these guilds. We simply share information. Your accusation to my guild being the SCoY shows your lack of understanding of this situation. And i say that with all due respect. My guild started up less than one week ago. Ask anyone, if they feel i dictate too much in the council, if im too controlling. I leave it to them. They can vote me out anytime they\'d like. but again, i feel you must be missing a bit of information if you are making accusations like that.

@narita-  maybe you should check out the website and not just the thread. http://ugo.sinet.it/scoy also.. we are in no way an aristocracy. That makes no sense to me. i would be interested to hear more about your thoughts though..

@Sangwa: congrats, but come on..  also.. still waiting to see you so we can have a chat.. PM me if you would like to set a time or something.

@Zanzibar: nope, that is exactly true. any guild can join, [even non-guilds] no guild has to. period.

@Zorbels: Ogu will fill you in on today\'s meeting.

One last very very important note. From now on this thread is 100% entirely genuine OOC chat. Do not be confused. From this post on.. all is OOC okay? This is meant for constructive criticism on the council and its charter. and general communication between the council and the public. there is to be ABSOLUTELY NO ROLEPLAY IN THIS THREAD. Thank you.

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[zorbels]

@ easton Loud and clear I have heard you and I shall keep your request clear in my head as all of what I have said on this thread is ooc. Thank you I will speak with ogu in ps.

@narita You misunderstood. I said like the UN. I did not say it is the UN. The idea of SCoY is close through, all nations (Guilds) working together to resolve matters that may plague them.

@Zanzibar I guess I can see your point and thank you for answering. Though it does seem silly and the ones worried about such things must be new players. I know for a fact that no one in SCoY would hold it against any person who didn\'t want to join. If anything they only want guilds and members to join if they are willing and will take SCoY seriously.

[Easton]

Just a note for future reference:

Milana of the Defenders has been given the role of Spokesperson for the SCoY. In the future when we post on the forums about the SCoY\'s public stance on issues that we take on, she will be the one posting and the one to talk to. Congratulations to her..

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[r.guppy]

OK lets try a different approach to this to calm things down.

 this from your History  \"Guilds of the highest caliber were carefully chosen\"
Implies only those considered by you the SCoY to be the best. Is at best misleading.

 Also this is the same from your Mission Statement  \"To ensure the well-being of all in Yliakum by learning about and preventing any conflicts from destroying the peace that we all hold dear.\" Implies you will make discussions on all things NOT just for your Council member guilds.

 Also the Council  is a word that implies that you are elected from the people of a town, and before you go into it also means this or that, i am pointing out most will see it the same as me.

 So to sum up a bit more clarity in the above  mentioned, and i think a lot will be resolved.

[Bebel]

Originally posted by r.guppy


 this from your History  \"Guilds of the highest caliber were carefully chosen\"
Implies only those considered by you the SCoY to be the best. Is at best misleading.

 

Originally posted by Easton

@Zanzibar: nope, that is exactly true. any guild can join, [even non-guilds] no guild has to. period  

Any guilds or any \"the highest caliber\"  can sit at your round table ?

[zanzibar]

Guys....


People lie, people misrepresent themselves, people make mistakes, and people send out contradictory signals and information.

But I think that we can react to it in character and in game, can\'t we?  If SCoY\'s actions and motives are IC, then we should react to them IC as well.

[Easton]

Originally posted by r.guppy
OK lets try a different approach to this to calm things down.

 this from your History  \"Guilds of the highest caliber were carefully chosen\"
Implies only those considered by you the SCoY to be the best. Is at best misleading.

 Also this is the same from your Mission Statement  \"To ensure the well-being of all in Yliakum by learning about and preventing any conflicts from destroying the peace that we all hold dear.\" Implies you will make discussions on all things NOT just for your Council member guilds.

 Also the Council  is a word that implies that you are elected from the people of a town, and before you go into it also means this or that, i am pointing out most will see it the same as me.

 So to sum up a bit more clarity in the above  mentioned, and i think a lot will be resolved.

First off, thank you for organizing your thoughts Janner.

Yes according to our History the \"highest calibur guilds were chosen\". History is past tense. In the beginning, we only chose those that we felt other\'s would look to with respect. however, we had in mind the fact that one day (when we went public) we would allow all guilds to join. Our stance now is that any guild can join. Any guild may also not join. Check the requirements page...

I will edit this post later today.. for now i must go.. sorry.. hang tight for a few hours..

EDIT: Eolius pretty much sums everything up down there.. soo...

Easton

[Eolius]

Dear Janner, i think you overstepped already the limits of constructive criticism. I stated it before and I\'ll say it again, you are clinging to questions of SEMANTICS. It is very clear that you don\'t like us. So what? Leave us alone then. I think this thread has already gone too far and people are always obliged to answer your unfounded questions about us.

Originally posted by r.guppy
 
 
 this from your History \"Guilds of the highest caliber were carefully chosen\"
Implies only those considered by you the SCoY to be the best. Is at best misleading.

Who do you think that should have chosen the guilds that were invited the first time? God? You? I don\'t think that you can come up with an answer to that question. Read some philosophy. There is no absolute objectivity, so you are confronting us with a paradox. We can\'t be objective, yes, but neither can you or anybody else.

Originally posted by r.guppy
Also this is the same from your Mission Statement \"To ensure the well-being of all in Yliakum by learning about and preventing any conflicts from destroying the peace that we all hold dear.\" Implies you will make discussions on all things NOT just for your Council member guilds.

Yes, we will discuss things \"NOT just for your Council member guilds\" like \"Hey, this guild is waging war agains that guild. Let\'s see what is our position on that matter and let\'s send a delegation to the leaders of those guilds to try and stop this war.\"
Correct me if I\'m wrong but i don\'t see that as being a problem. We don\'t TAKE decisions instead somebody else and we have no power of doing that.

Originally posted by r.guppy
Also the Council is a word that implies that you are elected from the people of a town, and before you go into it also means this or that, i am pointing out most will see it the same as me.

Funny that nobody see it the same as you. I see no posts sustaining your point of view. \"Council\" doesn\'t imply that \"we are elected from the people of a town\", the word \"council\" actually means \"-A formally constituted advisory, deliberative, or administrative body. (Origin: from Latin \"concilium\" = convocation, assembly)\". Unless those that wrote the Oxford English dictionary know less than you...

Oh, btw, the colours of your post are nice though...

[zanzibar]

Companies and politicians call themselves misleading things all the time.  Just RP it!

[Peacer]

Certain people might be afraid of becoming outsiders, or they\'re afraid of being labelled as enemies. I\'m not saying that those fears are at all justified, but they seem to be around in some circles.

when you say it like that it gives an impression that you have no other choise ;/

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i\'m not going to say anymore as i do\'nt want to be drawn into this... i have nothing to do with this. To much ooc also!

[Anfa]

Originally posted by Eolius

Funny that nobody see it the same as you. I see no posts sustaining your point of view.

Sorry, I have been letting my views be known in game...didn\'t  realize you wanted me to post them here..

If you want me to post my objections to SCoY in this thread let me know...

Anfa waves at Janner


Cheers
Anfa

[Proteous]

Well if SCoY EVER interferes in ANY of my or my guilds affairs without an invite, i will make it my mission to destroy you all!!!

Just thought I would let you know!

[Araye]

Originally posted by Proteous
Well if SCoY EVER interferes in ANY of my or my guilds affairs without an invite, i will make it my mission to destroy you all!!!

Just thought I would let you know!

I want to add your signature too as it is part of my remark...

Proteous\' signature \"Am I not destroying my enemies when i make friends of them?\"

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So Proteous, are you Joining the SCoY then?

Araye