Dwarfslaying - a happy pastime ?

[sardit]

r.guppy please dont be selfriteous, and see how this roleplay really works instead of acting on some assumptions. It is not that we walk up a dwarf and kill him. Try to find out how it really works before complaining please.

// SardiT

[r.guppy]

r.guppy please dont be selfriteous, and see how this roleplay really works instead of acting on some assumptions. It is not that we walk up a dwarf and kill him. Try to find out how it really works before complaining please.

// SardiT

 Frankly aft the word selfriteous A------  NO.

[sardit]

( edited, was perhaps a bit to much. ) my question still stands though, dont go arround condemning something that you have not participated in

( i feel i need to explain why i put that word there, i come from a country where racism is a big issue, being racial prejudiced or even selecting on anything that came to someone by birth is punishable with severe fines and prison sentences.  Over here an airline company cant even send an ugly woman away that wants to become a flight attendant because that is selection on appearance and is not allowed. That is put in with the same laws covering racism, hence you calling me a racist really offends me, and next to that if you were from my country would get your ass suied on slander. I am NOT a racist and i will not tolerate you calling me one. I hope i have made that point clear now. Next still thinking that our roleplay is solely racist based points out that you have obviousely neglected reading my first post. I will not be tempted in repeating my arguements again and suggest that you read that first and come up with some arguements instead of just venting oppinions and insulting me. )

[r.guppy]

I don't recall insulting you, if you took it so sorry.
I don't recall calling you a racist eather,
I do recall stating what the guild is doing is in my opinion racist. It comes in all forms and is in all country's, for example i got severall good hidings just because i wear glasses at school, I adapted and soon learned to put them in hospital, instead of me.

[zorbels]

  Take a midol people. I mean really has she hurt anyone ooc. No. Is this really that big of an issue. Not until the whinners show up. She has provided great roleplay something I have noticed getting shot down alot here lately. With the lack of things to do in planeshift, the only thing to keep the interest is to have something to roleplay out. I have never seen the dwarfsbane guild out of control or being rude or picking on people (Unless in roleplay and comfortable with it) So what the hell is the problem.... I have only seen on good point, racism. Again this is a roleplaying game and not real life. So save the world first before you start whinning here about a game and "controled circumstances."

[sardit]

 To me i don't care how well you roll play it it is still racist, if i make a corrector i don't expect some one to pick on me just because of the race i chose to be. Some [delets swear word] carrector is going around wonting to kill all Yelian, he made the mistack of picking on me.

 The point is it breads racism, so please find a new Way to enjoy the game.

this is what insulted me, if you meant it differently apology accepted. If you read my character description you'll find that it has sufficient reason to hate dwarves in particular though it is mistrusting of other people aswell. Really Sardit is an elf scarred by his past and with a temper to boot. You should also know that Sardit has a few in character dwarf friends aswell. So please lets throw the assumption that he is a racist away now and get back to the discussion.

Ekusiel stated that he was afraid that this guild would lead to a genocide of dwarves. To assure him, the guild is still small and barely has enough members to even exist. Though our RPG goal is to slay dwarves our OOC goal is to promote roleplaying and duelling. A set of rules to assure that no character is in progress though the members that are in there now already have that consensus. Our guild will not accept members only there for the slaying of dwarves, or hatemongers or anything of the like, Further more we resent newbie bashing and refrain from allowing that. So i raise the question : Is it wrong to present every player of PlaneShift with a way to roleplay? if you dislike the guild then act out a good roleplay and we will be happy to participate in it. If we start to roleplay with you and you are a dwarf just send us a tell and we will stop. If you are not part of a roleplay and feel offended just leave, others are enjoying it.

Though i dont find it funny to be teamed up against by 10 + players in the plazaa, if that is a part of the roleplay, then so be it. Just stop thinking OOC when all we are and do is IC please.

[DaveG]

I have never seen the dwarfsbane guild out of control or being rude or picking on people (Unless in roleplay and comfortable with it)

This thread started out without that info, under the impression that this guild was harassing people in a completely unacceptable way.  Some guild members may be doing things that they need to stop, but from what I've heard now it's just dumb and a little ignorant but not completely racist.

This thread should be over now that things have been cleared up, but it's not...  If everyone doesn't calm down, I'll lock this thing.

[Einnol]

Though i dont find it funny to be teamed up against by 10 + players in the plazaa, if that is a part of the roleplay, then so be it. Just stop thinking OOC when all we are and do is IC please.

As a dwarf myself, I can assure you that my character's encounters with yours are purely IC and something that I have been having fun with.    You may recall that in our earliest encounters, my character was relatively civil and actually felt pity for yours due to the tragedy in Sardit's past.  But, due to more recent events, he perceives a growing anti-dwarf trend and is much quicker to 'loose his cool'.   

I also hope that everyone can keep in mind that it is RP and keep their character's reactions IC.  As far at the teaming up goes, if Sardit is going to push on the dwarves, he should expect them (and many of their friends) to push back. 

Regardless, I give you credit for the work you have put into your character's background and personality.  After all, giving your character a personality (whether it is a pleasant one or not), is what PS is all about.

[Drahlian]

This thread started out without that info, under the impression that this guild was harassing people in a completely unacceptable way.  Some guild members may be doing things that they need to stop, but from what I've heard now it's just dumb and a little ignorant but not completely racist.

Okay DaveG, this is the sort of comment I find offensive. I respect and appreciate your work as a dev, but I don't like someone calling me "dumb and ignorant" for doing some RP that most people involved injoy! Do you know the meaning of the word ignorant? It's usually used when someone speaks about something they don't really know anything about. Well tell me, DaveG, how many times have you seen Drahlian or Sardit performing our RP? I'd be willing to bet the answer is NEVER, and I would call it ignorant to judge something you've not seen firsthand.

If you'd like to become informed on the actions of Drahlian or Sardit, I suggest you ask someone like Goldir, Redic, Dererun, Chohak, Proglin, Samuelious, Usarik, Tronicus, Einnol or Evaraj what they think of Drahlian. If you participate ingame much, you'll know that they're all dwarves, and guess what... they're all my friends OOC. We'll see each other and say "Ugh, filthy dwarf" or "Ugh, Drahlian, /me frowns" but in private tells we're like "Hey buddy, how are you today?" "Fine, and you?" Many I've been friends with for a long time, and many I have given help, weapons or money to help them in their play or training.

So please don't give me your ignorant, incorrect guess as to what is going on inside the world of Planeshift. There is a lot of fun and interesting roleplaying going on because of the conflicts between the evil Drahlian, Sardit, and crew, and the dwarves and dwarf-friends facing them. If I understand correctly, Planeshift is supposed to be a world of role-playing, and to be quite honest, I think it would be flippin' boring if there were no evil characters.

DaveG, I suggest you create a dwarf character, go ingame and say hi to Drahlian or Sardit and see for yourself before throwing accusations of "dumb and ignorant" racism. So far in this thread, almost every negative comment on Drahlian have come from people that she has never met ingame. Interesting, don't you think?

[DaveG]

Some people were offended by the way they acted, therefore it's ignorant of their feelings.  Choosing to play racist in a game is just a bad idea, all around.  Don't be so surprised when you get complaints like this thread.

Everyone here needs to calm down.

My initial impression of what was going on here was that we had some morons being ignorant, and it seems things were exaggerated from the start.  We seem to have an evil guild playing dwarf hating characters, but whatever the intent it's not something being taken well.  I don't care what your intent is.  If people are complaining about your acts and calling them racist, that's enough for it to need to stop.

[sardit]

Later today ( american time ) our guild site will be open explaining our goal and guild rules, lets just take a look at those first to see what we are about.
If you feel offended then please send us a message in /tell ingame and we'll be happy to adress that complaint ( contact Drahlian or Sardit please )
We think that our rules will adress most of the concern about us anyway. I myself enjoy the roleplay that i get to perform this way, and in it there really isnt much insulting anyway.
This dwarfhating thing really is just an opening to get a roleplay started. Come by and watch us do our thing sometime, you might like it aswell. For as far as i know all the dwarves in it
are aware of the fact that nothing is personal and none really feel offended, if that may be the fact despite our efforts please do contact us ingame per tell we will see what we can do to
clear it up. Further i wish to appologise to all players that may have been offended on anything they might have witnessed. in a roleplay some things may have been said that though not offending
to those participated may be that way to those just running past and picking that one message up. Please try to remember that you have missed the whole context of the thing. I suggest that if you see such a message in chat you walk back and get involved in the roleplay, you might just get a good time out of it and if things go really well kill one of us in that event.

Once more this is not a guild concerning racism, but solely dedicated to improving the amount of roleplay and duels in this game. A simple tell in game can solve a whole lot of trouble and goes
much quicker then dragging this to the forums. We are not about slaying all dwarves, just those that do enjoy participating in our roleplay, the rest doesnt have much to fear from us. Apart from the few times any of us may try to begin a roleplay, if you dont feel like it send a tell and they will stop bothering you. Lets all try to keep this game fun for everyone and not ruin it for a few because you have misunderstood their intentions or certain other events.

Kindly, Sardit

[Drahlian]

Choosing to play racist in a game is just a bad idea, all around.  Don't be so surprised when you get complaints like this thread.

I completely agree, and while we're at it, I've got complaints about some other horrible things in the Planeshift world.

First, did you know there is a guild named Infidel Slayers?! Know what an infidel is?  "One who doubts or rejects a particular doctrine, system, or principle." So they are obviously breaking one of the rules of Planeshift, as they are clearly discriminating religiously against those with different beliefs. Out with them!

There is also a band of robbers! They proudly call themselves the Thieves of Yliakum. Imagine that! A group of people that steal other peoples' belongings! That is a crime! And you know, someone in this forum said that we put a part of ourselves into our characters, so all those players are clearly felons in real life. Out with them as well!

I'd like to join the Way of the Hammer guild, but you know what? They won't let me! "Drahlian, you're no dwarf," they say. I can't get in because of my race! Better get rid of those obvious racists. Same thing with the Klyros of Fury guild. I'm not a klyros, so they won't let me in! Out with them too!

Also, one thing bothers me... Violence is all over our world in real life. We should get rid of it in Planeshift. Remove all the knives and swords and axes and magic arrows that people use to kill each other! Then Planeshift would be a happy place. And get rid of all the monsters the want nothing better to do than attack passersby.

Next the dangerous stairs should be removes so people don't accidentally fall down and hurt themselves. We need elevators, or better yet, just a simple round room with no features to trip over.

So now Planeshift will be a perfect, happy place with no racism, no thievery, religious fanaticism, killing, dangerous drop-offs or sharp corners. We can all stand in a circle and hold hands in peace. Just think how many people will run to play our new, purified, happy game?

[sardit]

well i agree, but we might as well not get into that now. I think our point is clear now, lets just wait for our rules to be posted. After all this could be touchy subject for some players that have missed a certain point. We comply by all of the rules that planeshift provides and if some wish to interpret those differently then they ought to look at the whole as you just described. Please send us a tell if something goes askew in your oppinion and we will be happy to adress it for you.

//SardiT

[zorbels]

Drahlian, that my friend deserves an applause  All good points. One of your points is one in which I was trying to make earlier but it got ignored. No big surprise. DaveG you said it a million times "Everyone needs to calm down" and that was exactly my point. Only not just with this guild but everything in planeshift. These players are moving way to fast for a game that is a tech demo. Does no one get everything is in testing? People stop picking everything apart, and when something new arises go with it and try it out first. Don't start bashing till you know the facts.

[DaveG]

After a little chat with Sardit today, we've come to agreement on some simple things:
1)  This thread started out stating things to be worse than they are.
2)  Choosing to play outright racist is not something acceptable here.
3)  This guild is not doing that.
4)  Any roleplay that could be offensive shouldn't be done with people not involved.

Drahlian:
Stop ranting.


I'm locking this thread now, because if I don't it'll trail off even more...