Adraax: Klyro's City Project

[minetus]

thanx lara now to find a picture of it.. hehehe
meanwhile, im uploading right now to:  http://www.esnips.com/web/coastresearch
new photos for coast research, lots of rock formations beach area, some good pictures to extract textures etc
big files, lots of detail.

and for all of you who participate in this project:  here's

[Arangol]

Thanks for the flower, you sure like them.

Now where is Inca? I need a greater picture of the Shazzer!
This one is too small for any reference except for basic model.

[Inca Sator]

Especially for Arangol.

http://www.esnips.com/web/IncasOtherStuff <-- see Shazzer picture.

I suggest you not to start model Shazzer, but try to model one of our katamarans - it will be more easy and it will be a good practice for you before making complex models.
Anyway, here a principle of Shazzer v.01. I suggest you to download a junk .3ds model (only 500kb) from link i posted earlier - you will recieve the better understanding how the vessel model could be. OK?

Technical details: Junk boat - chinese cargo boat:
--lenght - 20-40m
--speed ~30 km/h
--cargo ~ up to 600 tonn
--people capacity - up to 300-1000 men

This is all good, but even in my last drawing Shazzer more looks like a cargo ship - but it got to be a Battleship. It got to be more slim and long then junk boat. I thinking about placing some cannons/catapults on it.. but it might break PS medieval setting...

[minetus]

about long ranged weapons, klyros could use a klyron shooting catapult like (hand elastic gun) to throw klyros up high in the sky and then they could fly over the target and bombard them

edit: by the way i couldnt find a picture of the tower

[Arangol]

Thanks, Inca.
I will then start with one of the katamarans, you have any pictures, or do I have to search the thread for them?

EDIT: Downloaded the Junk model.

Can I ask about the poly amount for both katamaran and Shazzer?

About guns/catapults/cannons. I think we can have catapults, ballistas and trebuchéts but no cannons.

Maybe one of our own inventions?

And Minetus that sounds really cool. Think thousands of catapulted Klyros attack an enemy from above 
That could be somekind of mini game too.
And we could blast some dwarves up and see how far they got. 

[Inca Sator]

Ha-ha-ha-ha, Arangol, good joke  
I think they should shave off their beards to have more serious aerodynamics 
Katamaran pictures you can find in Klyki in "Vessel" section. For my katamaran i have one more picture - but you got to search through this topic. (from the middle to start i guess...)

For katamaran - i suggest to keep polycount betwin 1000-1500 polys:
for Shazzer - up to 4000. You should aim on less polycount with better visualisation. But you could always add some hundreds of faces if you need - keep it in your mind.

[Arangol]

Shave off their beards, hmm, when krans start flying. (Of course we could blast some krans too).

Thanks for the rest.

[LARAGORN]

You can use a type of cannon

Id like to see a Kran fly 

[Inca Sator]

Hmm, i found in Wikipedia that powder appeared in Chinese in 11 century, so may be cannons match PS-setting? More over, it seems that klyros culture in many aspects similar to Chinese/Japan culture...
I remember a topic about ranged weapons in Fan art section....
Idea: In flight klyros using crossbow, imho, not bow. It is more convenient for flight condition...

[Arangol]

Yup, it would be better if Klyros would use the crossbow in flight, but they would need an special twinge/hatcht/whatever, so that they could load and fire faster, but it would be easier broken.
When they are in the air, they could release with this thing 5-7 arrows in a minute. But it would broke in say 100 shots.
When they are in the air, they can't stop and reload the crossbow fast enough with a normal twinge/whatever it's called.
Just and idea.

For me the gun powder, cannons and nuclear weapons would ruin the game.

[Inca Sator]

I searched through the "Invent a new ranged weapon" thread in Wish section and found da next concepts:

Spitter - throwing acid balls from insect - by Zinder
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=8664.msg100047#msg100047

Slingshot - by Lardhoc Aewheros
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=8664.msg128175#msg128175

I like the second idea - slingshot - it more mobile then crossbow. Klyros bomber can put the bag with slingshot's pellets (luckily they are small) on his/her chest (or some bags with different pellets - for sail arson, for killing...).. or he even can put it on his forearm or shoulder - this will provide the good speed of firing. Then we got to invent a "caoutchouc tree" - i think it's not difficult
Ok, i leave powder cannons for this time. But we definitely will have mangonel and catapults in PlaneShift. And don't forget that klyros - are  inveterate fishermen - so they got to have big harpoon for big fishes like whale (well it's not a fish, but you understand me )

So, we can put on shazzer some small catapults (for stone/metall balls) and big battle harpoon cannon on the bows. About catapults that will throw klyros bombers in the air i think they will be too big for battleship and there is a danger that bomber will tangle in cordage.

..hmm, we can attach'em to the broadsides in that case... Arangol, what twinge/hatcht means - can't find it in vocabulary 

[Arangol]

Yes, slingshot is a very good weapon for that.
The Klyros throwing catapults will have to be on ground or on some kind of floating platform in the water.

The twinge/hatch is the thing that when you reload the crossbow, it's the part you roll when you reload it.
The new hatch/twinge should be a invention that would reload it with just 3 rolls, when a normal one should reload with about 5-10 rolls (not sure).

The crossbow would be heavier, but it would fire faster.

[LARAGORN]

For launching the Klyro into the air, it wouldnt have to be a large catapult. The high sailing masts are good enough.

The Klyro Launch

A series of pullies and ropes, attached to the top of the sailing masts.
A small foot loop attached to a rope, that accends to the top mast.
A heavy wieght is on the other end of the rope.
A leaver is pulled to let the wieght fall, and the Klyro is sent into the sky

The klyro is sent straight up, but once in the air, they can direct their flight to where ever they choose.
It would take either 4 shipmates to raise the wieght, or a large wheel, that can be turned by one.
This is not a rapid fire system. there could be many of these systems, depending on the amount of masts on the Shazzer.


Just an idea

[Baldur]

Hey guys, really good work. Atm i'm sitting up in a student's appartment belonging to my cousin, soon going to go celebrate him 'n' get dizzy

Inca: Really great concepts, just remember to not make them too chinese-like, anyway I like your concepts. The lighthouse is also cool, maybe we could fuse them together with the mill as they're both needed and klyros live close to the coast. I must say chinese culture fits the klyros very much.

Arangol: Even if I haven't had any schooling in 3D I must say Incas ideas the best way, start easy and work yourself up, you've got the concepts

Minetus: Great landscape pic, it very much looks like the pic you showed me a week ago and I think it is turning out nice As said before, your windmill and Inca's lighthouse would look good together, it would fit in to the amphibic feel, sort. Of...

Mkay, guess i'll go! You're doing fine and i'm a depressed how well you do without me
Have a good one, I'm going to sweep in the finnish way!

Peace

[Gentar]

The sails are composed in a similar fashion to Inca's first klyros ship concept, so there are two sides to them, almost balloon like.