Shadow in the Hills critique

[zanzibar]

I involved myself in this story and did the work myself. If you want in, then start thinking of ways to develop a story to bring yourself in.

I roleplay characters though, not stories.

Forgive me if I am a little annoyed with you, but you interupted a roleplay of mine that involved this story and you didn't seem to give a rats behind at the time about roleplay as you were to busy trying to bully someone in to a duel with you.

He walked into the tavern weapons drawn, and started insulting my character.  I asked him if he wanted to take it outside so that it wouldn't be polluting what was happening in the tavern.

If I walk in on a story being roleplayed out, I stand back and listen first before asking questions. You also purposely ignored some facts about a roleplay I was having and pretended that the roof of the tavern was still there, yet everyone around you was playing like it was not  ... as it was blown away by the demon being exercised from Zorbels.

Actually, my character walked up to the roof then came back down.  I said that it looked like the roof and top floor was still intact, then I said that it must be a "glamour" - that is, an illusion spell.  But I guess you were too busy being angry with me to notice?

Basically you make it hard to roleplay with you, and it is trying at times. You say everyone is apart of the community then act like it and quit picking everything apart all the time. We are here to have fun. Period.

*shrug* If that's what you want to believe, then I can't help you.  I'm just trying to clarify things - it seems that people are blaming me for things that I didn't do or had nothing to do with.  I'd rather not let false accusations go unchallenged.

[zorbels]

Excuse me?  He walked into the tavern weapons drawn, and started insulting my character.  I asked him if he wanted to take it outside so that it wouldn't be polluting what was happening in the tavern.

That is a bunch of crock. He said two comments to you and nothing more. It is you who took it was to far. You ruined other peoples roleplays with your childish actions. I even recall he left and went afk and you were still talking to him like he was there. You could have avoided that if you were concerned about interfering with the roleplaying at hand.

Actually, my character walked up to the roof then came back down.  I said that it looked like the roof and top floor was still intact, then I said that it must be a "glamour" - that is, an illusion spell.  But I guess you were too busy being angry with me to notice?

I was not angry with you. As I recall in my last post I said I was annoyed. I was also answering your question ..... not crabbing at you as you make it sound. You wanted to know why I stood up for him I told you. When you got the answer you went on to pick on other things I had said. Don't try and turn it around Zanzibar and further more you just proved how much you pick apart things. I don't need your help by any means. Sorry I didn't take the bait into your trying to get me into a fight, but I believe in resolving things not making more issues.

[Under the moon]

This thread is almost as fun to read as the SRP thread.

I have noticed some inconsistencies in the tale, but that is to be expected when you have so many folks coming together at once, each with their own idea of how things should be done. For the most part, I have had no problem incorporating my characters into this roleplay, and they have been welcomed with open arms. I try to nudge the path in a direction that all may agree on in the end, but I don't force anything. If something goes a different way, I flow with it. Flowing has been quite enjoyable.

There are those who think that an RP should be one way, or no way at all. I do not agree. There is room for all -good- roleplay. None for trolls. It takes imagination at times. If we RPed what we all saw ingame...we would be just so many clones running around with no purpose than that of killing creatures that mindlessly appear out of nowhere. Yay..how very exciting.

Now, I have been to the tavern, and the roof is indeed damaged. That is how I see it. If you can not see an RP as the players involved are RPing it, they you should stay out of it.

In a game of imagination the greatest tool is one’s mind, not any of the features. Some minds are just not as adapted as others.

In other news, we have this little rooster at home. He is a nasty little creature who likes to jump at anything he sees as smaller than himself, which happens to be everything. Roosters aren’t that bright. Just because he believes he is bigger, does not change the fact that he is not. This has been pointed out to him many times with thumps and kicks. We even once held his head under a faucet to cool him down. But nothing works. Invariably, as soon as you turn your back and walk away, no matter how hard you kick him, he spouts out a triumphant crow. Every…single…time. If we could talk rooster, I am sure we would hear these exact words… “I win again.”

[zanzibar]

Excuse me?  He walked into the tavern weapons drawn, and started insulting my character.  I asked him if he wanted to take it outside so that it wouldn't be polluting what was happening in the tavern.

That is a bunch of crock. He said two comments to you and nothing more. It is you who took it was to far. You ruined other peoples roleplays with your childish actions. I even recall he left and went afk and you were still talking to him like he was there. You could have avoided that if you were concerned about interfering with the roleplaying at hand.

He said a heck of a lot more than just two comments.

For the most part, I have had no problem incorporating my characters into this roleplay, and they have been welcomed with open arms.

Not by everybody.  I think you're missing the point however - reread the parts on scripted versus naturalistic RP.

Now, I have been to the tavern, and the roof is indeed damaged. That is how I see it. If you can not see an RP as the players involved are RPing it, they you should stay out of it.

Yet again, it seems like you're skipping over posts without reading them.  My character RPed it as a glamour:  An illusion spell, perhaps cast by the tavern owners to make their establishment look better to the public.

He is a nasty little creature who likes to jump at anything he sees as smaller than himself

I know you've been a character on IRC, but don't be too hard on yourself.

[Suno_Regin]

Quick solution time! zanzibar, learn to roleplay better with others. And Zorbels, there's an ignore list you can put him on. Tell your friends. =P

[zanzibar]

Quick solution time! zanzibar, learn to roleplay better with others. And Zorbels, there's an ignore list you can put him on. Tell your friends. =P

"Serotonin reuptake inhibitors".  Google it.

Suno, I really don't care about your personal problems, and I think you're a loser.  You come onto this forum for no reason but to troll people who stand up to you.  It really is quite pathetic.  But I didn't know that you were also so jealous!  Zorbels and I are at least trying to talk to eachother like human beings in order to work out our problems.  Sure, there are hurt feelings on both sides, but we're going to work through it and we aren't trying to just hurt eachother!  But you don't have even that.  All you can do is make a pathetic attempt at hurting random people.  I pity you.

[zorbels]

Well again I am still not angry, I am sorry you are reading it that way. I will not put you on ignore as Suno suggested because I told you at one point that I accept you for who you are. As I do with everyone in this community. I only ask for the same respect.

At any rate you have made your points and I have made mine. I agree to a certain extent with some of your points but with others I do not. I am not going to go through everything you said, quote it and then respond to it. That is the way you do things. That is not the way I do things however. What exactly do you want me to clarify? I will do my best to explain my thoughts on the matter.   

[zanzibar]

A lot of it is just factual.  I didn't ignore the roof thing, I RPed it as a glamour.  The individual who came to the tavern made more than two remarks.  And there were a lot of people telling him to put his weaposn away, it wasn't just me who was bothered by him.  He's on often enough that he should have known better, and from what people told me afterwards he's known as a trouble maker.

[zorbels]

A lot of it is just factual.  I didn't ignore the roof thing, I RPed it as a glamour.  The individual who came to the tavern made more than two remarks.  And there were a lot of people telling him to put his weaposn away, it wasn't just me who was bothered by him.  He's on often enough that he should have known better, and from what people told me afterwards he's known as a trouble maker.

I am thinking perhaps at the time I didn't understand what you meant by glamour. From what I understand now, you were roleplaying out that the tavern owners were casting a glamour to make their establishment look more presentable? I ask this as a question because I want no assumptions with this. It will also sway my opinion if I am not correct in my understanding.

I missed alot of this, which is completely understandable for my circumstances. At the time I was roleplaying and working out details about what I was going to say. I was also in tells speaking with you. Your last sentance I have no choice but to agree with. I have had encounters with him myself and they are not all sunshine and rainbows to talk about.  I also agree with the players having a problem with weapons being out in the tavern. It has become a tradition, if you will, in the tavern for people to lay down their weapons and not create a hostile environment.

I think you have just clarifed everything on my end, I am hoping my response does the same.

[Under the moon]

*me smiles and waves to his many adoring fans, then grins at the empty corner full of Zanz’s rabid supporters*

Hello, hello, my good folks. It seems we have a troll in our midst. Now, I could toss out random insults and claim to know more than him about the subtleties of roleplaying, but that much is obvious. Instead, let his own words speak for him. Let us go back to his first meeting with my ‘haunt’ character….

I appeared on the plaza, and spotted a good friend of mine, Anfa. I tossed myself into the role of haunt immediately.

(22:31:52) Haunt whispers on the wind... "A.....aaa....nnnnnn......faaaa"

Very IC for a lost soul.

(22:33:51) Anfa pretends not to have heard the voice

Also IC for someone who just heard their name spoken as such. I drifted around the plaza, using only stafe. Not an easy thing, but spirits do not walk. It was going well. But then…

(22:34:08) Shal makes a scary voice. "Whooo whoo! Eeeevil!"

Very IC for…um…what type of character would say such a thing in a medieval setting? I am sure it was perfect RP for that type of character. I assumed he did not believe I was, indeed, a spirit, so went out to prove it. I drifted though him. I am sure folks can attest to that. Just to be sure he saw…

(22:35:07) Haunt passes through Shal

But, in another very IC moment for Shal…

(22:35:20) Shal says: No you didn't.

This was odd. for I know I saw myself pass though him. Perhaps he did not see. Then he gave something to a person standing next to him and told him to toss it at the spirit.

(22:36:15) Shal says: Perhaps if you throw it hard enough at that knucklehead, you'll remind him he's alive.

Alive? No, my description clearly states that I am, in fact, a ‘haunt’. A ghost used in wive’s tales to scare children. it would be ooc for me to be alive. I thought maybe another demonstration of my insubstantial form was in order. Perhaps he just misunderstood my RP. I moved my character though him again.

(22:36:50) Haunt passes through Shal...again.

This time I made sure of it, zooming in so as not to miss the happening. I went dead center of him. But yet again…

(22:36:57) Shal says: No you don't... again.

Huh? Perhaps he plays a blind character. and he stays in-character so well, does he not?

I decided to ignore him. He did not wish to PR with my character…But then why did he say anything to it in the first place? A quandary, no doubt.  I just must not understand such a high level of expert RP. anyways, Anfa was looking around, likely trying to spot the source of the voice. so, I gave a hint.

(22:38:38) Haunt whispers on the wind, "Bee.....waaaaaaaaare......An....faaaa."

Spooky. *grins* But again Shal came in with wise words and that expert RP that none of us will ever achieve.

(22:38:54) Shal says: Oh will you be quiet, elf!
(22:39:13) Shal says: Evil this! [Shal blows a rassberry.]

I was amazed at the depth of his character! How can any of us ever compare? I told him ooc how much I envied his skill.

(22:40:38) Haunt says: {{Excuse me, Shall, but you may go straight to the three hells that spawned you.

He acknowleged my near worshipful words with IC blessings.

(22:40:52) Shal says: The hells that spawned me?
(22:41:12) Shal says: The hells? Nay, idiot elf. It was people who made me, not hells.
(22:41:29) Shal says: Though their creations may be described as such.
(22:41:47) Shal says: Now if you excuse me, it's jus a bit past noon so I need my first drink of the day. Good bye.

It seemed I just could not compare to this level of RP. This pinnacle of character depth. This little slice of RPG heaven around Shal. I knew my only recourse was to shield my eyes from such blinding skill, else go blind.

(22:41:59) Haunt says: {{ooc and now I shall be /ignoring you. You RP is as bad as your small mind.

So, being subdued by his Light, I moved on to another of my friends. Xillix, it happened to be. time for some more haunting.

(22:50:26) Haunt whispers on the wind, "Caaaaaaa.......dooooooor......aaaaaaaaaasssss..."
(22:52:56) Xillix says: you feel that chill?
(22:53:24) Xillix says: Memienta did you hear something?
(22:53:40) Memienta says: I do not believe so...
(22:53:50) Haunt whispers on the wind, "Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing..............Caador....aaaaaaas."
(22:54:10) Xillix says: see? there it goes again
(22:54:42) Xillix says: Sprit, bring Cadoras where?
(22:54:47) Memienta looks about him "what do you think it is?"

It goes on like that for some time, before I felt as if I should go to the tavern. I drift (strafed ) the entire way, as spirits don’t walk, if you remember. Inside, I saw Einnol, Esseda , and Zorbels. A perfect setup!

00:10:30) Haunt whispers on the wind, "Zor........belllllllls"
(00:12:49) Zorbels blinks
(00:14:03) Haunt passes through Zorbels
(00:14:29) Zorbels screams

Now, I know Zorbels is not near the RPer Shal is, or her response would have been, “No you didn’t” I felt sorry that she had such poor RP skills, and decided to stay and try to help her get better.

(00:15:54) Esseda says: maybe that whisper had a body Einnol...
(00:16:17) Zorbels puts her back against the wall for her own comfort
00:17:18) Haunt whispers on the wind, ".......a...doooor...aaaas..."
(00:17:19) Zorbels grabs her head "I am going to go ...crazy. I swear .... if I don't get rid of this illness."
(00:17:48) Esseda says: Einnol heard it whispering your name Zorbels...
(00:17:56) Esseda says: then it was gone.
(00:18:01) Zorbels looks hopeful "Really?"

More happened in between, but much the same. I just could not get these poor, unintelligent people to RP as well as Shal. They even talked to me as if I -was- a spirit. But I could talk in nothing but riddles. Navarr came in.

(00:29:53) Zorbels ears perk "It is trying to communicate with us..."
(00:30:07) Zorbels says: "It that good or bad?"
(00:30:14) Navarr listens closely
(00:30:21) Esseda shouts at the rafters "If you want to talk, stop speaking in riddles!
(00:30:49) Esseda shivers as she turns around
(00:31:12) Zorbels freezes as she feels cold eyes watching them
(00:31:12) Esseda says: do...do...um, you see that too?
(00:31:25) Haunt whispers on the wind, "foooooursoulsfoursoulsfoursouls.......threeee"
(00:31:35) Einnol stares at the apparition.
(00:32:03) Navarr backs toward the fire a gast
(00:32:08) Esseda says: what do you want?!
(00:32:10) Haunt whispers on the wind, "Threeeesoulsthreesoulsthreesouls....mmeeee"
(00:32:22) Esseda says: speak plainly you ghost!

Appartaion? Ghost? So I really am playing haunt! If they can see it, it must be. But then, they are far below the skill of Shal. Perhaps they are just wrong. Indeed, after quite some time of poor RP, Shal came into the tavern to set us all straight.

(00:56:49) Haunt whispers on the wind, "Threeesoooulsthreesoulsthreesouls..four.......hiilll...and...daaaale...and face...."
(00:56:50) Navarr says: Then you know him, good!!
(00:57:00) Shal says: Oooooh! Scary!

Again a perfect enactment for Shal’s perfect character. Oh, how I shudder at the thought of such height of suce RP. To strive for that would be to touch the sun! The rest of us are dirt…no, worms in the dirt.

(00:57:05) Esseda says: dale?
(00:57:09) Esseda says: who is dale?
(00:57:17) Haunt whispers on the wind, "I.............no moooooooore........"
(00:57:21) Shal says: Who, sayeth the student, do they serve? The sage sayeth they serve suffering, and they did listen.
(00:57:24) Navarr says: Hill and dale, hat sounds silly
(00:57:36) Shal says: And who is it that serves suffering, did the student say. And sayeth the sage, the Gods of Masacre.
(00:57:46) Shal pokes the elf.

This being me.

(00:57:56) Esseda wonders if Shal has gone crazy
(00:57:58) Shal says: Would you care for some fish? You look pale.
(00:58:10) Esseda says: shal's poke goes through the ghost

Oh, how foolish you are Esseda! You should know to follow Shal’s lead. He who guides the path of all true RP. Shame for you tweeking his mastery of words! Behold! The truth follows!

(00:58:20) Shal's poke touched flesh.

Oh ye all see the error in your ways! Shal has spoken, therefore it MUST BE! Cast off your worrisome ways and bath in his light! But the Light blinds! I am so unworthy to gaze upon it!

(00:58:28) Haunt [[sets mode to /ignore Shal]]
(00:58:29) Shal says: I have never seen a ghost, before nor now!
(00:58:36) Shal says: [nice RP, dumbass]

He Speaks to me! Not to my character, but to ME! I have been touched by the words of a near RP GOD! I will never wash these ears again.

(00:58:51) Esseda glares at Shal
(00:59:00) Shal says: Hey, I here that Talad and Laanx aren't the Gods of this realm anymore!
(00:59:14) Shal says: Must be cannon, people don't make stuff like that up!
(00:59:16) Esseda says: I hear that any god that will have you is a fool
(00:59:29) Esseda shakes her head
(00:59:35) Navarr laughs

I wished to warn the others, so they would not be blinded also, so brilliant the Light  of Shal. So I cast my words down upon them, typos and reflex typing all.

(00:59:44) Haunt says: [[I suggest that anyone who does not wish to here this blithering idiot do the same.]]]
(01:00:06) Esseda says: [i'm used to it ]
(01:00:37) Esseda stares at the ghost again
(01:01:04) Esseda says: ...you want Nurahk to go to the face?
(01:01:16) Navarr says: [I recognize the source, he tires out if ignored]

It was then the unshadowed face of Shall parted from us. A hole was left in our roleplaying that can never be filled. OH, how can any of us survive without his footsteps to follow? How could I have ever thought him a troll? It is I who is the troll! I am not suited to even stand next to him. Pray that he never leaves.

*bows out*

[zanzibar]

I am thinking perhaps at the time I didn't understand what you meant by glamour. From what I understand now, you were roleplaying out that the tavern owners were casting a glamour to make their establishment look more presentable? I ask this as a question because I want no assumptions with this. It will also sway my opinion if I am not correct in my understanding.

That sounds accurate to me.  IC, I was searching for an explanation to make what I was seeing match up with what I was being told.

I missed alot of this, which is completely understandable for my circumstances. At the time I was roleplaying and working out details about what I was going to say. I was also in tells speaking with you. Your last sentance I have no choice but to agree with. I have had encounters with him myself and they are not all sunshine and rainbows to talk about.  I also agree with the players having a problem with weapons being out in the tavern. It has become a tradition, if you will, in the tavern for people to lay down their weapons and not create a hostile environment.

I think you have just clarifed everything on my end, I am hoping my response does the same.

I'm glad that we were able to work things out.



As a reply to moon's unnecessarily long post:  You went OOC several times before I did, so I don't feel too guilty about that, but I will appologize if it makes you feel better.  As far as mocking you as you walked through me, try using a bit more imagination next time.  A sense of humour might help too. Haven't you ever seen a Monty Python sketch?


Edit times two:  After I responded to Moon's flame post without lowering myself to his level, he took it to IRC and started bragging about his behaviour on the forums.  I think most people would agree that trolling is inappropriate whether it's on IRC or on the forums, so yet again I will ask that disagreements with me personally be taken to private messages.  Even though it's probably a bad idea, I'm still allowed to expect the best of people.

[Karyuu]

This thread has become.. irritating. Moon, there is no need to exaggerate when you are commenting like that. I know you are capable of better.

One general comment from me: when you are roleplaying something that affects the structure of the world and your surroundings, like something wrong with the tavern roof, you had better be prepared for people to disagree :} There is no way that you can involve everyone in your story and make them agree to what you see. You can roleplay that entire sections of Hydlaa are destroyed, but others will give you a weird look and carry on in those sections just fine. There is a great chance for inconsistencies and various awkwardness. This doesn't mean that you must limit yourself to not touching anything in the environment at all, but I think that if anyone is genuinely surprised or upset that such RP doesn't go over well with everyone, they need to think it over a bit more.

Zorbels: glamour means an enchantment. In this case Shal was suggesting that a spell was cast to give the appearance of a change to the tavern roof.

[zanzibar]

Exactly.  I was more than charitable in how I reacted.

[zorbels]

Zorbels: glamour means an enchantment. In this case Shal was suggesting that a spell was cast to give the appearance of a change to the tavern roof.

I know.

I agree with you karyuu when you say that not everyone will agree with certain things "like something wrong with the tavern roof", thats just life. It is a given. At the same time these people who do not agree or want to play along have to realise that maybe the people doing the roleplay are enjoying it. Unfortantly at times the  parties involved  may all be in the right. I think compromise is important in these situations.

[Waylander]

Bah, you people are annoying.  It'ss be a while before we have an actualy working world in Planeshift.  Go on and disagree all you will but, you know I am right.

Until such a day that the PS world is set in something other than water, may aswell let people roleplay what they want, bar changing the little bit of setting we have.

It is, of course, perfectly reasonable to disagree with somebody about the tavern's roof, but, at the same time, if you don't like the roleplay, then just ignore it and it will ignore you.  Moon's haunt roleplay is pretty good and tied in with the Shadows roleplay, he has used it to justify his existance as a haunt and so on and so forth, all is good.

I can understand Zanzi's point of view but, he could just as easily ignored the roleplay.