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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2006, 07:53:38 am »
It is, of course, perfectly reasonable to disagree with somebody about the tavern's roof, but, at the same time, if you don't like the roleplay, then just ignore it and it will ignore you.  Moon's haunt roleplay is pretty good and tied in with the Shadows roleplay, he has used it to justify his existance as a haunt and so on and so forth, all is good.

It's good to know that people enjoyed Moon's RP, even despite the trouble he had with the name-police.  Personally, I found it a bit obvious and annoying, especially the way he decided to walk through my character repeatedly.  I'm pretty sure that kind of thing is considered to be a mild form of harassment by Game Masters, but I figured that since he was RPing a ghost it was ok.:)

(the filler has been clipped)
<Underthemoon> GODDAMMNIT who is the idiot GM who changed _-MY- name?
<Underthemoon> I am one of the better RPer IN THIS GAME. I do everything for a reason. This completely ruin ALL the RP I was doing. Chinge it back now. >: (
<Fossie> what was your name
<Underthemoon> Haunt
<Underthemoon> It is not a name.
<joseAway> wow Underthemoon
<Underthemoon> It is CLEARLY stated in the char description what it is and means. If the petty naming rules can not see past that, then this is NOT the RP game I thought it was.
<joseAway> my respect for you went down a few notches
<DragonRift> lol
<Underthemoon> If this char has a name, I can no longer RP with it.
<Underthemoon> I am really upset with this. Defacing one of my characters is like keying someone's car.
<joseAway> Underthemoon, changing your character's name is NOT defacing it
<Underthemoon> It is joseAway
<joseAway> it's NOT the same as keying someone's car
<Underthemoon> I am a writer. I am a roleplayer. Change anything I do to that effect, and you attack me personally.



It's good to know that things worked out, even if he had a rough start.
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2006, 06:36:07 pm »
Hmmm Question?  ???
Zanzibar: since you don't seem to be a part of this conversation of the log you posted, is it appropriate to be posting it unless you have the permission of those who are involved of course?

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Edit: Curious as to what the forum-etiquette is for this sort of thing?

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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2006, 08:18:16 pm »
Anfa: No one, including yourself, objected to Moon posting logs, and he posted a heck of a lot more than I did.;)

Further, he posted logs to troll, but I posted logs to show that he was upset and that despite being upset he still pulled through and succeeded with his little RP.
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2006, 08:48:20 pm »
So sly you are Zanzibar. First you drag people in IRC into this garbage between you and Moon and now here in the forums. Here's a thought ... how about just keep it between you and him. Leave the rest of the community out of it. Just for the record I am not just talking to you Zanzibar , I am also directing that comment to Moon. Just work it out somehow, and leave everyone else out of it. It is not something the community members can fix nor give answers to.   
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2006, 08:54:42 pm »
So sly you are Zanzibar. First you drag people in IRC into this garbage between you and Moon and now here in the forums. Here's a thought ... how about just keep it between you and him. Leave the rest of the community out of it. Just for the record I am not just talking to you Zanzibar , I am also directing that comment to Moon. Just work it out somehow, and leave everyone else out of it. It is not something the community members can fix nor give answers to.   


Actually, I didn't start anything on IRC.  Moon raised the topic, and I responded to him.  Several times, actually.  He can't seem to resist talking about me on IRC or bragging about his trolling on the forums.

And yes, I've tried to work things out privately with him, but he doesn't want to.  Instead of working things out, he ignores my messages, he /ignores me on IRC, and he trolls the forums with his garbage.  He has no interest in either resolving it nor keeping it private.

So I'm sorry Zorbels if this has bothered you, but I do not feel particularly to blame.

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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2006, 09:02:21 pm »
I have kept quiet for long enough. This is ridiculous. Now I was there the night in the tavern and Now Zanzibar, I may be wrong, I'm not going to comb through my logs to find it, but I don't remember any remarks about Glamour concealing the hole in the ceiling, in fact I sent you a tell
informing you that the hole was in fact an RP hole. Either way it doesn't matter. I think what you need to realize is that sometimes people just want to vent their anger with you, not get an answer for everything thrown right back in their face. Now I got the impression you just wanted to argue that night anyways. You even thought I took a shot at you, and believe me, If I did you would be certain of what it was and not had to question it.
Now I know we can't be at our best 100% of the time, in fact I even lost my cool that night with the Klyros, (you know what I'm talking about Shal) and who am I to judge anyone, I'm just tellin it like it is.
I thought we were in this this for the fun of it, but I notice that it seems like you just like to argue and pick stuff apart just for $hitz&giggles.
Debate is fine as long as you have a willing partner I guess. And Zanzibar, theres really no need to pick this apart and give me an excuse for every quote.

Underthemoon, I thought it was cool that you came to Zorbels defense and all, but somehow it seemed a bit over the top even for you
and now it seems like shes just caught in the crossfire between you and Zanzibar.

And Zorbels,...Honey, it's called /ignore <playername>

Now I'm sure i'll get some kinda slap on the wrist for this but I really don't care but with all the bull and politics, flaming and mudslinging that goes on around here, it's not hard to see why we lose so many beloved players and characters.


It is regrettable that it comes to this.


[ Edited for language. --Karyuu ]
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2006, 09:02:37 pm »
Well I am sorry if that is the case and he won't work it out. (honestly that is what you say, I don't know his side of it and there are always two sides to a story)  Maybe try to not poke at him though, as it will only make things worse. Posting that log is indeed poking no matter what reasons you state you posted it. I just hope this will die down.
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2006, 09:13:38 pm »
I think what you need to realize is that sometimes people just want to vent their anger with you, not get an answer for everything thrown right back in their face.

And what you need to realize is that if someone pushes me, I have the right to push back.  If someone says something which I think is untrue, I have the right to challenge it.  Unless it's coming from a dev.:)


Underthemoon, I thought it was cool that you came to Zorbels defense and all, but somehow it seemed a bit over the top even for you
and now it seems like shes just caught in the crossfire between you and Zanzibar.


I don't think Zorbels is in the crossfire, but if she feels like she is then I appologize for it.  I think Moon has used Zorbels, but I haven't seen where he's attacked her.  As far as my disagreement with Zorbels, we've talked about it privately and on the forums and I think we've figured things out.


Now I'm sure i'll get some kinda slap on the wrist for this but I really don't care but with all the bull and politics, flaming and mudslinging that goes on around here, it's not hard to see why we lose so many beloved players and characters.

The reason we lose characters is because the game is in testing, and also because people move on to other things.  I've seen more than my fair share of flame wars and, from what I've seen, the 'good' players tend to not be affected by them.

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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #53 on: May 05, 2006, 05:02:16 am »
Wow, this has been some read.  (Never bothered to look before since I'm not involved with the RP in any shape or form)

Anyways,  I would like to ask permission from all sides and parties to post what I have for the time period that I was passing through the tavern and witnessed all this.  I thought if we have the logs posted from a third party soucre that is in no way shape and form involved other than just being there at that time, we can review the logs, discuss, and hopefully settle our differences like true adults.  But, if you feel that it won't help, well, I'll just stay outof it and let you all contine on your merry way.  :)

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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2006, 05:16:15 am »
Wow, this has been some read.  (Never bothered to look before since I'm not involved with the RP in any shape or form)

Anyways,  I would like to ask permission from all sides and parties to post what I have for the time period that I was passing through the tavern and witnessed all this.  I thought if we have the logs posted from a third party soucre that is in no way shape and form involved other than just being there at that time, we can review the logs, discuss, and hopefully settle our differences like true adults.  But, if you feel that it won't help, well, I'll just stay outof it and let you all contine on your merry way.  :)



I'm sorry, but it looks like you didn't read enough.  We're past all that.
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2006, 06:22:59 am »
Oh, thought it was still being discussed some.  Least that's what I got from my reading.  Anywhoo, fine with mine, I'm just trying to be helpful.  Continue on and ignore the nice kitty.  :whistling:
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #56 on: May 05, 2006, 11:08:30 pm »
@ Moon and Zanzi: Gratulations that you managed to turn this thread into a flaming against the will of most of the people here. I think you need one of those *tosses each of them a chill pill*... just don't do that too often, otherwise you could get addicted to the pills >.>

Back on topic.


@ all those who want to RP a fight (peacer, for instance, but also many others): http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=19339.0
That's a collection of my experiences and rules derived from those experiences. (Yes, my main ingame char is Rilar.)
As they are not official or approved by anyone nearly "official" they should be seen as guidelines or proposals how to RP a fight.
They have been tested thoroughly and people fighting after those never complained that a fight was boring or unfair. Actually there even was a tournament with those rules and it was (despite of many troubles, because of the RL circumstances) a great event.


@ Monk, Darkshade and all those "masterminds" of this RP and other people who are planning to do such big-scale RP.

I already have experienced numerous attempts by others and I, myself, have tried my luck with such RP.
I like to give some input according to my experiences.

There are many people who think that it adds to the suspense if people are not filled in OOC into what is going on.
This is wrong.
If people don't get what they are facing, why they are doing what they are doing, they first get excited. BUT if this state continues, if they don't get the chance even OOC to know what is happening, it just frustrates them. Not only that. As there are no DMs or "leaders" of the RP amongst the players (I'm only talking from player perspective) everyone is equal in that respect. There are people who know more, others know less. But from the OOC viewpoint every player is leader of his own RP . So this is the first thing to get. And with that they feel not respected or even insulted if you don't treat them like equal.

This is one thing. The other is how to organise RP of this scale.
With the stated above it rules out that one person is the leader of the RP, writes down all and everyone dances after his tune. This might work in a very small scale, but the more players are involved, the more opinions and viewpoints are to be considered. To write down a plot and to make people act after that without knowing the plot behind has also another, serious component: RL. If something screwes (and it always does), you, as storywriter, have to look after everything and to modify the plot.. this might work well to a certain degree. But what happens if everything goes wrong? Then you will be just as frustrated as everyone else in the RP because you won't know how to continue and your followers wont even have the chance to continue the plot. The other thing is: what happens if the storywriter can't get back ingame or gives up the plot as it just gets too complicated for him/her to overlook the flood of information? This actually happened with an RP I was in and it was an experience which I would like to avoid in future, and also prevent other people to get into that.

How to avoid that?
Treat the plot as modular blackbox. What I mean by that: You can't know what the players do in detail while you aren't watching. But you can know the conditions and the results. I know how hard it is to give up the "complete control" over an RP, to decide against knowing each detail, but beyond a certain scale it is humanly impossible to learn each action of the players and plan ahead.
The clue there is to give the players a set of conditions, settings, a precedent RP or alike. It is necessary that the involved players of a certain part know how the situation they are in came to where it is now.
From that point you could let them play their own RP, but you like to put some plots into one. So the second step is to actually plan in "milestone-manner". Milestones are keyconditions, situations in which the different plots overlap or build on each other. So you don't tell the players what they have to RP, but only what the result should be of their RP session. After the session, they report back to you the important facts (for instance that they chose against the result you was striving for). With that you keep the overview without sinking into detail and it is easier to change the milestones than rewriting the complete plot.

This way you keep flexible and its easier to plan. And it also leaves freedom for the players to choose their own way if they feel like it.

Just my few tria.

Good luck :)

PS: Once I lead three plots into one, the sessions where happening in the past, present and future. Without the system presented above which I developed together with Alhana/Odessa, it would have been impossible to keep track of what is happening and building the plot for such a long time (IIRC the RP ran over a month with the "united plot").


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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2006, 12:30:07 am »
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peacer, for instance, but also many others

i have read the rules but i don't see myself as braking any of them,

to the magic rule, making your opponent decide the spell effect, that doesn't sound right. If i cast a spell i cast it to be used at the effect it should give, but of course i say "/me whispers "koron en' naur" and a fireball flies towards *opponent*" but everytime i have done this in a duel they dodged it all the time, even if i send three rapidly against him to test it, (max = two as he only has two hands ;)) My few experiences with rp fighting is that peacer doesn't use weapons very often, he is a mage of elite skill but of course he is able to handle a sword or a weapon. Peacer is a mage and has won one rp fight yet. And others more in the direction of tied. haven't done  a loosing one yet as he has done 3 or maybe 5 rp duels so far(edit just came to think that i lost one to :P(my first one i think it was >.<)). I have been up again'st one rp-beginner(some know who i am talking about) who took forth his frosty sword and cut my head of, i decided to just ignore it and tryign to help him in becomming better, but he obviouslly didn't want to listen.

@zanz and moon: chill down folks :/

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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #58 on: May 06, 2006, 03:47:48 am »
........  developed together with Alhana/Odessa

Alhana was one who inspired me and ultimetly guided me through roleplaying without planning. Wow did we come up with some pretty sweet roleplay. If you go into my chat logs, the roleplays with Alhana I could read like a book. I don't have to skip through the ooc, or just small chat because people got involved. *Cheers Alhana*  :flowers:

 :D Kerol pretty much everything you said I agree with to a certain extent. Just for the record, I am happy to say none of the roleplaying I did in this super roleplay was planned on my part. Nor did any of the other parties see me coming. Ask Proglin, and Forig, I blind sided them. :P Monk invited all to join and that is what I did. I had, and am still having a wonderful time with this story though there are flaws and hiccups, as to be expected.
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #59 on: May 06, 2006, 04:24:08 am »
I miss Alhana, Odessa and Embers, they made RP interesting. Alhana said that Xidus may be the strange Ynnwn she was waiting for or something...then she left, which kinda left me hanging on what she had planned. Either way, I loved their RP's. They gave people something to worry about. Now we just have RP's that pretend to have some big ol' creature smash the roof of a tavern or something, without anyone knowing it was ever there...=/