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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #60 on: May 06, 2006, 08:58:18 am »
*bows and begins another long post*

Pardon, but I have been gone for the last day or so, and will not stand for my character being assassinated in this way.

What can I say? I bring out the worst in folks, don't I? In truth, I work day and night to undermine the very roots of this game. My ingame trolling is legendary, while my forum behavior is horrid. On irc, my very name strikes disgust and fear into the hearts of all...

Sorry for the sarcasm folks, but that is a part of me. I'll not likely change. :)

As to the long post, I was once told I argue with no concrete evidence, so there it is. Now I am told by that same person that the post was excessively long. Which way do you want it? The point I was making there was also completely missed again. It had nothing to do with being ooc. I see now I should have laid it out play by play, sports announcer style. If he wishes it, I will do so in a PM, and then he can accuse me of assaulting him there also, as he has done before (not to me in particular).

The point is -stated plainly- I have seen zanzibar's 'roleplaying' on several occasions as my various characters, and he has no right to criticize other's RP in his passive aggressive style. However, this is of no import in my dislike of him. I have RPed with far worse (refering to a 'Blue Angel' Kran, not any of you...unless you are that kran. ;) )

We all know he is an expert at goading people into arguments, then claiming to be the victim. If you take one look at his very long set of posts, many deleted I'm sure, you will see this to be true. His IRC records are the same. I need no proof in this, as most of you have seen it. Even in my PS logs, you can see it. He -loves- to argue. If he is reading this right now, I am sure the possible quotes are turning in his mind. So be it.

It was not I who started the contact between us. That honor would belong to Shal. I still wonder what class of medieval warrior character says "Whoo... ...scary" then later blows raspberries. That is not sarcasm. I honestly wonder. If I am to RP with him at all, am I to treat his character as his description reads, or as the immature child he seems to be roleplaying? That is not a flame, just a simple question. I hope he can answer it ingame

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And yes, I've tried to work things out privately with him, but he doesn't want to.  Instead of working things out, he ignores my messages, he /ignores me on IRC, and he trolls the forums with his garbage.  He has no interest in either resolving it nor keeping it private.

I would like to point out that this is bordering on a lie, and shame on you for using it to attempt to raise yourself above me. You sent a single PM to me, not 'messages'. 24 words. And it was more alike to bait into an argument than reconciliation. Don't you dare try to look as if you have made any effort at all here. It was -I- many months ago that apologized in a PM for something I said on irc the day before, that I thought may have been rude. You responded by saying you did not remember, as you get into so many arguments you can't keep track. Just -one- day later.

Then the comment about irc. I did ignore you, but not /ignore. I have every word you wrote, and how childish you became at the thought of being ignored. Not to mention the 'argument' last week when you claimed we were all trolls between spouts of half coherent gibberish, and kept gloating over and over again that you won. Of course you are going to think you won when no one has a clue what you are saying.

As for garbage and trolling on the forums: Read my posts. You claim that I am a troll. Give me proof besides the two posts on this thread. Perhaps if you are lucky, you may find one or two more out of the 800 or so where I may have gotten upset. Search your own post and see how many end in arguments. Garbage? Troller, troll thy self.

Now you also claim to read my thoughts. I would resolve this, but the only way to ever resolve anything with you is to agree with you completely and RP as you think is proper. I say this now, that will never happen. I try to make roleplaying fun for all those around me (with -one- single exception). I merge with what I can, and walk away from what I can't. Best wishes to all. -You- attack any roleplaying you do not see as right. Yes, attack. Whether by blatantly saying it did not happen, or trying to override others with your own 'roleplaying', which seems to be claiming that everyone else is crazy at times. You claim to only RP a character, and not a story. That is one thing that no one can understand. Every single thing you do, in game or even real life, adds to a story. the story is not prewritten. It is in our memories. It is how we remember friends gone. Your own Dark Empire is part of your story. A story is not something you read and act out, it is something you live. Until you understand this, we will never agree.

To reinstate the above, none of what I do ingame is scripted. Anything I write either did not happen ingame, or was adapted -from- actual logs.

Now, I have seen many threads where you rile everyone up, then try to act innocent. You act like you don't know why everyone would be mad at you. I know people like you. They thrive on conflict. You thrive on conflict. Deny it all you wish, but the proof is in your own words.

I know you are likely to claim I am the same, and there you would be wrong. You are the only one I have had great issue with. I have been through much harder ordeals with folks of this community than your petty bickering.

Anything more I have to say on this -will- be in PMs, since you desperately wish to settle our differences. There are many other things I could have commented on in your twisted acount of things, but I see no need. My friends know me for who I am. Your friends...

As to my other words, I take nothing back. What is said in anger, stays in anger. I sincerely doubt my renaming was coincidence, since I just checked something. Spook, Specter, Ghost, and even Apparition... taken and unbanned.

Lastly, things did work out well in the end. I will see everyone who has been RPing ingame with Haunt...as Haunt. Thanks. :)

@Kerol: Never do drugs. :P On the RP aspect, when doing large RP, you can never control everything..or really anything. It is like battle. The best plan ends when your solders walk onto the battlefeild. After that, you can only hope for the best, and have many backup plans.

@zanzibar: you wish to keep things private? Then do so if, you are able. Unless you can't resist the urge to quote half of this post along with another one of your remarks aimed at draging the whole thing back into public. Your move.


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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #61 on: May 06, 2006, 10:19:13 am »
I miss Alhana, Odessa and Embers, they made RP interesting. Alhana said that Xidus may be the strange Ynnwn she was waiting for or something...then she left, which kinda left me hanging on what she had planned. Either way, I loved their RP's. They gave people something to worry about. Now we just have RP's that pretend to have some big ol' creature smash the roof of a tavern or something, without anyone knowing it was ever there...=/

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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2006, 12:46:08 pm »
i never met alhana, wish i did :/
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2006, 05:50:10 pm »
Peacer, back then, RP was heavily planned. Now it's just made up as an event and people always want to change it. There are no more RPs where you meet someone and a big thing happens, it's announced to everyone who reads the forum, and they know what's going on.

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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2006, 06:02:40 pm »
I disagree. The roleplaying Alhana and I did was not planned on my part by any means. I know the Alhana did a rough outline of the events for awhile but gave up as we always took it another way. I remeber him saying "Ahhh ta hell with it, it isn't going to go as planned .... with you as it never does so lets just roleplay...." Also Alhana did exactly what we are doing with this huge super roleplay thread. He always posted updates for everyone to keep up to date with. He posted the events of course after they happened. So from my point of view back then is it was never heavily planned. [/color]
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2006, 08:34:14 am »
*bows and begins another long post*

Despite everyone telling you to stop?  Smart move.  Quit yer trollin.


i never met alhana, wish i did :/

He had a bunch of characters and alts, most of which I don't know.  There's a chance you've met him without knowing it.:)  The dark alliance thing has pretty much fallen apart, otherwise I might be able to tell you more and even help organize something.
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2006, 09:46:57 pm »
I like how the critique is more substantial that the rp superthread, that in itself makes the statement about it being easier to undermine things than to build them up. Also I think it sheds light on a tone of the forum: Fight Fight Fight. Discourse is needed for the evolution of viewpoints and to bridge the gap between disparate minds, and "argument" does not equal "fight." If you are a frequent poster to the forums you set the tone of the forums, this is a responsibility. I have had newer players comment that they did not want to be involved in discussions here because they were afraid they would get their heads bitten off [their hyperbole not mine].

I should comment also that these forums contain a great deal of level headed honest discussion that does not turn into arguments and when I encounter them I am pleased. My perception of the forums as a whole may be colored by the fact that forum posts about me have been rather argumentative in tone, or could also be swayed by my notion that "forums are the first bastion of the long-playing-jaded-newbiehatin-elders of any game,"  I read this whole thread and I honestly hope some work will be done to ease tensions between certain of the parties.

@Karyuu, I subtle shifts in things like the roof tiles should probably be accepted by the passerby of an active roleplay. It is kind of silly for someone to make an issue of such a thing and to me it is just as bad as walking by saying "lol haxxors, I am a nubcake give me some weapons or I am telling george bush you have wmd," probably worse, because no one told the person who would speak like that how not to. I dont mean institutionally or rulewise, I just think as a matter of courtesy these little descriptive changes could be glossed over without much fuss.

Please no one take this as directed at any individual [other than Karyuu] I meant this for everyone.

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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2006, 09:49:12 pm »
I think in that roleplay it wasn't something as minor as a little change in the tiles, Xillix, but the entire roof just being gone. That is something that not everyone is going to both like and agree to RP with. At least that is the change that I believe was mentioned in the critique.
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #68 on: May 08, 2006, 10:53:26 pm »
I think in that roleplay it wasn't something as minor as a little change in the tiles, Xillix, but the entire roof just being gone. That is something that not everyone is going to both like and agree to RP with. At least that is the change that I believe was mentioned in the critique.

I never said the entire roof was gone. There was a hole blown into it. If you read the "Zorbels cure" roleplay you will see how it was indeed realistic to have agreed with the parties I was playing with why there was a hole. I also never pushed Zanzibar to believe it, when he said the roof was still there, I ignored the comment and went on my marry rolepaly. This disagreement between zanzibar and I had nothing to do with the roof being gone more than it had to do with in my eyes ...  If wanted to play the hole in the roof it was my right. If he didn't want to believe it, then that is his right. There was no reason to ruin the roleplay .... If I had understood and not misunderstood what Zanzibar was saying then I could have roleplayed in fact the owners had casted a spell to make the roof look like it was there. This really was a simple issue. Again I say I never expected anyone to believe my roleplay but I also don't like people coming in to pick it apart (Especially when in the middle of the roleplay). If they don't like it, they don't have to be apart of it. Simple.

I have had newer players comment that they did not want to be involved in discussions here because they were afraid they would get their heads bitten off

I used to have that opinion when I was first a newbie in planeshift. Then I gave my head a shake and thought, but that isn't my own opinion, it is what everyone has told me about the forums and that formed this opinion of mine. I haven't even given it a chance. Trick is these newbies need to think for themselves and not take the old players point of view on the forums. Once I started posting I realised people can take it anyway they want but that is my voice and I want to be heard in the community. I want my say in the forums so that I can stand behind my opinion at at least know I had a hand in changing things or helping the devs with certain decision's based on popular opinion. I don't think the forums are as bad as people make them out to be, they are helpful at times and lets face it people don't like to be told that their opinion isn't agreed upon. Make no wonder "I don't want to go on the forums because there is so much flaming" has become a good excuse to stay away. What is there to be afraid of? That someone will not agree with you?  Over all ... we all are who we are and we communicate the ways we know best. There is no changing that. If indeed people think there is so much flaming then why do they not try and make some positive posts?  If you want something to change for the better, then get in there and help instead of sitting on the side lines and whinning.
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2006, 10:57:05 pm »
Sorry for the misunderstanding, then.
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2006, 11:12:07 pm »
Sorry for the misunderstanding, then.

No problem Karyuu, it happens. Especially when there is so much to take in .. things can be missed. I am guilty of that myself. :whistling:
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #71 on: May 09, 2006, 12:28:45 am »
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If indeed people think there is so much flaming then why do they not try and make some positive posts?  If you want something to change for the better, then get in there and help instead of sitting on the side lines and whinning.

* Kerol hands every newbie a chill-pill "just for the emergency"

Now get in here and make some constructive posts, ignore the flames and be part of the community!  \\o//


PS: I had the feeling too at first. The forums are pretty erm.. overwhelming isn't the right word I guess, but deterring, at first sight.
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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #72 on: May 09, 2006, 12:32:55 am »
PS: I had the feeling too at first. The forums are pretty erm.. overwhelming isn't the right word I guess, but deterring, at first sight.
One needs to get accostumed to the wind blowing in the face.


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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #73 on: May 09, 2006, 12:41:46 am »
Yeah. The harsher the weather the better needs to be the clothing...


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Re: Shadow in the Hills critique
« Reply #74 on: May 09, 2006, 01:56:06 am »
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@zorbels

ain't none o ya so bad . . .

@Me consistent across alot of threads of late are varying interpretaions of how to roleplay and what the ps limitations to that are. . .