I wanna see advisor-points!..

[Mayin]

Why do we can't see our Advisor-points?  

I like to see them   just for seeing how much people i helped ..  

[lynx_lupo]

So people don't power-advise. That resulted in bad advisor(ie)s.

[Karyuu]

Precisely as lynx stated. Helping people and "keeping score" is quite incongruous, and you are supposed to help because you want to, because you can. Everyone should forget about advisor points entirely and just be the good helpers that they are. If people see points, we get bragging, "powerleveling", and the general quality of advice drops - because the person asking a question becomes just another point, instead of a fellow player. This certainly does not describe everyone when points were visible, but it was enough that some action had to be taken.

[Mayin]

ok 

[zanzibar]

It gets even worse.  I introduced a younger cousin to this game, and he asked a question on the help channel.  The bleephole on the other end of the conversation ended the help session over half a dozen times, forcing my cousin to start a new one, just to rack up points.  My understanding is that this was happening a lot.

[Karyuu]

How does one end a help session? Was it just claiming and answering with nonsense in that situation?

[zanzibar]

How does one end a help session? Was it just claiming and answering with nonsense in that situation?

He kept asking my cousin to repeat the question.

[Karyuu]

Hm, but I thought that if you claim an advice session with someone, you get all of their questions until the session times out. Thus it would have to be timed correctly for that to work.

[zanzibar]

Hm, but I thought that if you claim an advice session with someone, you get all of their questions until the session times out. Thus it would have to be timed correctly for that to work.

I don't know how it works.  I tried turning advisor mode on once, and I couldn't figure out how it worked so I gave up on it.

[Suno_Regin]

Hm, but I thought that if you claim an advice session with someone, you get all of their questions until the session times out. Thus it would have to be timed correctly for that to work.

I believe that it works like this: Someone asks a question, someone claims it, gives an answer, (maybe) another question is asked, goes unanswered, they try to ask again, they can't because it says you have to wait for your first question to be answered.

I tried asking something once about crafting, and when I typed up my question, no one claimed it and it just stayed there, so I asked again, and it gave me that message until the session timed out. So people can easily answer a question like that, then let it time itself out. The person asking doesn't know who the advisor is, so they can't report them. It's a huge problem, but another advisor could if they're awake.

[Bereror]

Answering to questions is easy:

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/advice <name> <your-answer>

Like in the following example:

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Bob asks: I died. What now?
/advice Bob You are now in the Death Realm and have to find your way out. If you can't find it, ask or follow other dead souls.

Before you start giving advises on the help channel, keep in mind that the help channel is monitored by other advisors and also by GMs.

The problem with advisor points is that people start competing for them, answering to help requests without actually giving an advice. Also, advisor points are now related to the account and not to the specific character. The list on the Laanx webpage was showing all your alts, not only the one who was active on the help channel. Many people (including me) didn't like that our alts were showing up on that list.

Fortunately Janner was doing a good job making sure that he and his 3 alts occupied the top of the list and our alts were not shown there

[Drey]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/drey7/advisorew.jpg  \o/

just noticed the time in that shot too O.o

I believe that it works like this: Someone asks a question, someone claims it, gives an answer, (maybe) another question is asked, goes unanswered, they try to ask again, they can't because it says you have to wait for your first question to be answered.

goes something like, question -> that question with then get repeated (or this annoying 'messenger' bugger taps his foot) until a reponse is given or the session times out. Then someone answers... after that it should be good to 'chat' away, but like a lot of things i can be a little dodgey :P

[zorbels]

The problem with advisor points is that people start competing for them, answering to help requests without actually giving an advice.

Yup one of the reasons I never used the system. Now that the system has changed I may try it but quite frankly I got so used to giving help IC and not through the help system that I prefer it that way. I find, as I love to roleplay .... having to stop and answer questions on the help channel a pain in my butt and takes me out of character. That is not me saying no one should use the advisor command as it is a nice system for people new to the game. I think it is great there are no advisor points to see anymore. People have seemed to lose interest as to who has the most points and seem to want to really help on the help channel now and don't just answer to be the top advisor.

[Osmo]

Not to use a cop out, but I find the best answer to most advisor question is role play it out.

My most common question is "How Do I get out of the Death Realm?"

Which happens to be my favorite simply because trying to explain it via chat is almost impossible anyway.

But I don't advise as much as I used too because I got annoyed at trying to race the other advisors to help someone.  It really sucks typing out a great answer to a question only to not be able to send it cause another advisor gives some short half ***d response.

But sometimes the best answer is a short one.  Still irritating though.

So there still is competition to get to help.  Just not as much as before.

I'd like to know my points, only for curiosity.  But it isn't that important to me.

[Syilph]

I was an advisor before I became a GM (not that this had anything to do with it) and I still am an advisor. The thing is that I usualy claimed and claim sessions only when there are no other advisors online and/or when I see that the response comes too late or the quality of advices is bad. I always corect a bad advice by sending tells both to the advised and to the advisor so here is the thing:
The help channel is there to HELP people, not to help you become a GM or to help you get in some statistics on the Laanx page.
So my advise for advisors would be: Advising will not make you a GM, especially bad advising and "au contraire" the more bad advices you give the less chance you'll have to aim for that position. And I give you this advice because almost every time I correct somebody that gave advices like "I don't know, try asking somebody else" that person will eventually send me a /tell asking me "How do I become a GM?" and my answer is always "Not by giving bad advices". So please answer only the questions you know the answer for.
The advice for people asking help on the help channel is: Please don't ask questions like "Help me" or "I need help". We can only see the first line from and advice session and this makes it difficult for us to see if the answer for your question is correct (although this might change). If you need advice regarding quests, NPC locations, trainers try to ask other people in a RP fashion because advisors are not alowed to give you those answers.