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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2006, 03:30:39 am »
We've had a long and grueling GM meeting with a lot of time addressed to this :) OOC chat is allowed as long as it doesn't disturb roleplay (remember that roleplay has the priority). But generally even if there is no RP going on, long OOC conversations are best had in /group or similar private channels.

Hopefully we will no longer have misunderstandings about this, and everyone is on the same page.
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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2006, 03:35:00 am »
Both sides of this issue boil down to one thought.

Be courteous, and respectful of others.



The Dark Lady proposes a page for the GM Handbook, and the Player's Manual...

  • A player that is new to text RP may not understand why they cannot just chat as they are used to doing, and will be disruptive to play.


Usually other players will explain it to them, and if they do not respond, will call a GM.

GMs should first refer that player to a place where they can read the rules, and the reasons for them.

Otherwise, all they will know is that they have been attacked by other players, and then a GM, for doing what they have always done everywhere they have ever been.


  • On the other hand, veteran players also chat about OOC topics sometimes, and when there is not any significant RP chat within earshot, there is no impact on RP.


To enforce chat rules in this situation, is overkill.


  • In between, is the situation where there are mixed conversations IC and OOC, with a sizable group of players.


Usually most of the channels are in use at the same time. 

() parenthesis or [] brackets are used by those who are polite, to mark the OOC chat. 

It does work, and the reflex to separate IC and OOC with them, rapidly becomes automatic.

Again, unless those who are RPing complain about being flooded with OOC chat, enforcement is probably overkill. [/list]


Bottom line, unless something a player is doing, is disrupting play for other players, and there have been no complaints about them, it is pretty hard to justify interfering with them.

If a group of players cannot handle a disruptive player with social pressures alone, then you may be certain that they will call a GM.

Unless they do, GMs should stay out of it.


[End of proposed page.]
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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2006, 03:41:34 am »
Thanks Verrliit, I'm collecting bits and pieces of advice and proposals like these for when I get the chance to reorganize our guides - any input is appreciated.

Generally, Player Guides are also GM Guides with a few minor differences :)
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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2006, 04:56:57 am »
Thanks Verrliit, I'm collecting bits and pieces of advice and proposals like these for when I get the chance to reorganize our guides - any input is appreciated.

It is good to be appreciated.

If you want more extensive help with the next editions, just ask.

And big hugs to you, as well.

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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2006, 08:49:21 am »
If you wanted a PURE RPG, then why have the MMO part?

IE; the grinding, the training, leveling etc.

Simple RPing can be accomplished in a chat room and considering our characters are "chatting" their actions, then the rest isn't needed anyway.

The efforts to make PS a pure RPing game are going to continue to be a struggle for the rest of the games history.  And being nazis (sorry couldn't think of another word to use) about it will just make people want to quit.  I have a guild with over 40 members with four regulars, that puts things into perspective.  And I am not the only one with the same issue.  Also, If you are not in the "clique" of the major RPers, you will most likely be ignored anyway.

Yea yea, pre  :beta:

I get it.

I am going to try and run a DnD style event in a few weeks.  And what I mean by that is, it is all RP, but the skills we can't do will be decided by rolling a d20.  I am going to play test the idea with the templars in about two weeks.  We will see how that goes.

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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2006, 09:34:06 am »
Karyuu has quoted me enough times, so I might as well quote her for a change.  ;)

Moreover, there are a lot of people who for some strange reason think that roleplaying means standing in one spot and being all "bardic." This is nonsense. Roleplay is doing anything in-game as your character, instead of the player sitting at the computer. You can train at the Arena for hours and be in-character. The only thing that matters, is that you interact as much as possible with the characters of other people, instead of the players.

The people who "play" by standing in a circle and talking for 10 hours are usually the ones that complain the most about missing parens for OOC chat, usually because the chat portion of the game is all they really ever see.  Just play the game and have fun.  Don't overanalyze things.
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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2006, 03:47:48 pm »
here's my experience with OOC chat in [] () or {}'s i tend to ignore it if it isn't adressed to me, interests me or involves me. It took some time to get that skill, bt i think myself i've become good at it. And there are sometimes wn groupchat, guildchat etc. etc. can turn IC, if you lower your voice in a room you talk IC in the groupchat, the persons in the other room can't here you then and they shouldn't be able to unless they eve'sdrop against the wall with their ears (invite to group.) The chat will make them able to see what you write (or hear what you speak ;)) which they shouldn't be able to.
Tells can be IC too. If you write a letter and give it to a person you give a tell typing what the paper says. Or a whisper if you clarify it in the chatchannel or messages with your mind (telepatic...) if you are a mage. I haven't done this with my warrior alt as she is not able to.
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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2006, 02:01:25 am »
I see that you insist quite a bit on having it realistic. I can understand that on Earth, no one is telepathic (yet at least ... :D ), but tell me when did the people on Earth cast spells? I think it is pretty close to never (some people before beleived in "magic" which was more like science now). Also, how many creatures on earth are as inteligent as humans? Well, none. Only the human are that inteligent.

In Yliakum, there are several races, spells so why can't the people talk telepathically?

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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2006, 03:09:52 am »
All Gm's agreed on the following rule about OOC-chat in the recent meeting we had.

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people can have short OOC conversations if no roleplay is going on around them. For longer OOC chat, OT chat, or OOC chat when others are trying to roleplay, /group or similar private channels must be used.
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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2006, 04:03:08 am »
I want to discuss somthing. What if I siad I was from the future in the game? Its RPing and it allows me to go ooc even though im not. Or I could say I lived another life in the past. No matter what if somone says its ooc there is always away around it to make it IC and make them OOC instead. I mean if you really think about it talking OOC is not OOC till somone actaully says it is. Somone is passing by and they hear a conversation:
Bradd: Send it to my email
This could go three ways. The person passing could ignore it and make it IC, as if he didn't understand what that person was talking about since he wouldn't. He could go up to the person and ask whats an email?
Bradd: Mind your own bussiness
Still IC
Or the person can say [Oh thats OOC should be in brackets] - You see it only turns into OOC once its mentioned. So in my oppinion, its not the people who go OOC that ruins RP its the people correcting it all the time and bringing OOC up.

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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2006, 04:05:56 am »
somehow, that makes a lot of sense...




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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2006, 04:10:12 am »
Farren, don't push him..

i feel there is a line in RP. one side is respectable, and the other is not. mentioning email in game and trying to say its RP is not respectable to me. but thats just my humble opinion and i know that thats all it is. but i have a very odd feeling that not many people at all are going to agree with you on this one.

Think about it..

If someone mentinoed Email, or computers in a medeival setting, they'd be killed most likely. At least shunned from society..  to me, thats bad rp, and if i hear someone mention email in the middle of my rp, id feel slightly deflated to say the least..
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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2006, 04:13:23 am »
thats kinda like saying if you drop food on the floor, and pick it up in 5 seconds, its not dirty "the 5 second rule"
I'm sure we have all done it once but it doesnt make it right.

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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2006, 04:15:31 am »
I see that you insist quite a bit on having it realistic. I can understand that on Earth, no one is telepathic (yet at least ... :D ), but tell me when did the people on Earth cast spells? I think it is pretty close to never (some people before beleived in "magic" which was more like science now). Also, how many creatures on earth are as inteligent as humans? Well, none. Only the human are that inteligent.

In Yliakum, there are several races, spells so why can't the people talk telepathically?

Because telepathy is not in the setting, and players should respect the setting as the developers built it.

Concerning RPing from the future, take a look at the Player Policy for an example:

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Read the Setting for official information about the world your character belongs to – and while your character can certainly come from another “plane” outside of it, don’t do something outrageous like try to bring in “RP” guns. Keep with the medieval fantasy atmosphere as much as you can.

There is a certain direction RP in PlaneShift is meant to go in (medieval fantasy) and this type of RP takes priority. If anyone is doing something outrageous and disturbing people who are using the game as it is meant to be used, they will be kindly prodded into the right direction until they understand.
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Re: Why so harsh on OOC?
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2006, 04:17:05 am »
prodded with a pointy stick likely ;)