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Re: Any new player help?
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2006, 12:15:59 am »
You didn't take a look within the Technical Help forums then - we have several threads discussing this problem, as well as a thread in General Discussion. We also have a lot of bugs - a lot - and we cannot list them all on the forums. That is why we have the BugTracker, where you can search if issues have already been raised. This one has.

I am the only dev who posted in this thread, and I never bashed the original poster. I don't think anyone did. Not agreeing entirely and offering different viewpoints is not bashing.

This game is in heavy development. Bugs happen. Welcome to PlaneShift - please tuck in your chins, and deal with the problems as best as you can.
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Re: Any new player help?
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2006, 05:49:28 am »
well, heres my viewpoint (I know you all wait with baited breath lol)

yes dude, the learning curve is too steep, yes it is Pre-Alpha so bugs are to be expected.
I doubt I would still be playing if it were not for the games main redeeming feature..... The Community!
Thnx to a player who seriously helpd me (Goulde) when I first started I dont think I would be still playing,
I have since spent many hours in the sewers helping new players get into the game (as has the guild I belong to 'Wrath of Azure') including freely giving weapons to those who have none.
Many players wish to help these new players to get involved, you must have been very unlucky (or inappropriate) when you requested help.
In my opinion the game is already fantastic, and I would still play if its progression stopped (I hope it doesnt).
You need to remember that we are endebted to the Devs for giving up their spare time to create this game (I would also contribute if I had any skills that would be of use).
As for Roleplay, I freely admit im pathetic at it (although I try my best) I have no experience of Roleplaying games of this type (never done the paper, pen and dice thing, although Warhammer used to be my friend lol), and thats why I could be considered a power-leveler to some people but that is how all games I have ever played are expected to be played.
You should seriously try again to play this game, it is far deeper than it appears at 1st glance.
As always I wish to offer any help I can to new players, if you want some help/guide /tell me, I aswell as many other players would be pleased to help.
I would also like to say that I didnt read the player guide or register on the forums untill I had problems, I personally think this is the norm, when did you last read a readme.txt or manual before playing a game, I know that I havent for a long time and prefer to learn as I go along.

Thanks for letting me say my views and I remind people that that is all they are, My views.

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Re: Any new player help?
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2006, 02:25:12 pm »
Well, as my last post seems to have disappeared, I guess I'll be leaving as well.


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Re: Any new player help?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2006, 10:05:55 pm »
Are you sure? People tend to overlook some posts and then believe they have been removed. Nothing of the sort has been done, but it's a shame you decided not to stick around for a bit longer.

Hope to see you back in a few months, maybe :}
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Re: Any new player help?
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2006, 02:12:35 am »
well, heres my viewpoint (I know you all wait with baited breath lol)

yes dude, the learning curve is too steep, yes it is Pre-Alpha so bugs are to be expected.
I doubt I would still be playing if it were not for the games main redeeming feature..... The Community!
Thnx to a player who seriously helpd me (Goulde) when I first started I dont think I would be still playing,
I have since spent many hours in the sewers helping new players get into the game (as has the guild I belong to 'Wrath of Azure') including freely giving weapons to those who have none.
Many players wish to help these new players to get involved, you must have been very unlucky (or inappropriate) when you requested help.
In my opinion the game is already fantastic, and I would still play if its progression stopped (I hope it doesnt).
You need to remember that we are endebted to the Devs for giving up their spare time to create this game (I would also contribute if I had any skills that would be of use).
As for Roleplay, I freely admit im pathetic at it (although I try my best) I have no experience of Roleplaying games of this type (never done the paper, pen and dice thing, although Warhammer used to be my friend lol), and thats why I could be considered a power-leveler to some people but that is how all games I have ever played are expected to be played.
You should seriously try again to play this game, it is far deeper than it appears at 1st glance.
As always I wish to offer any help I can to new players, if you want some help/guide /tell me, I aswell as many other players would be pleased to help.
I would also like to say that I didnt read the player guide or register on the forums untill I had problems, I personally think this is the norm, when did you last read a readme.txt or manual before playing a game, I know that I havent for a long time and prefer to learn as I go along.

Thanks for letting me say my views and I remind people that that is all they are, My views.

WOW! my longest post ever..........
and not a single smilie  :D
ARGH Dammit lol

I agree with what you said.

Although this has been stated countless times, I will say it again: this game is Pre-Alpha. This means lots of bugs, missing features, etc. And yet, even though it's only version 0.3, it already has many great features, and when I think about what there is, I say to myself: "If we already have this many things available, in pre-alpha, I can't imagine how great this game will be once it's 'done' (online RPGs are never over, they always receive many updates)".

And yes, you must have been unlucky when you asked for help, as I have yet to see an unpleasant person in this game. Everyone seems friendly (I can't know everybody, now can I?  :D). Everyone is polite with others. Personally, I am too. Whenever I start chatting in PS, I suddenly start thinking slightly like my character; my vocabulary changes, full words (I avoid using can't don't,...), and I speak politely to everyone. And I always help others if it's within my power.

But even before asking for help, try to do things on your own. When I started, I was "armed" only with my common sense, logic, general RPG knowledge, and information taken from the manual. I don't recall asking for help, I managed. I understand that I may be older than some players, and so I think more logically, yet there are also many players that are much older than me, and yet they can't seem to be able to do anything on their own.

And even before you start playing, at least take the time to get informed. For example, read the player guide to get some general knowledge. Also, read the info on the home page, as it might give you info you need. Finally LOOK on the forums, using the search button, but don't post unless you are sure it will help. Finally, check the technical issues forum to get info on the many bugs that haven't been fixed yet.

The keyword with this game is PRE-ALPHA.

Sorry if this post was a bit long, but I like to develop my ideas, to give people a partially clear understanding of them (I sometimes can't fully express what I'm trying to say, and so the post makes less sense than it should).

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Re: Any new player help?
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2006, 03:36:28 am »
The keyword with this game is PRE-ALPHA.

I believe it's been stated that the game has gottento just 'alpha' now, no more need for the 'pre'. 

But then again,

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By any other word would smell as sweet."

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Re: Any new player help?
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2006, 08:51:25 pm »
In this one little post where verybody and the devs are bashing this one guy for saying that hey! maybe you're just veyr inatentive of new players?  I mean.. its not like just mentioning the rat problem in the faq would be so hard... 

I would strongly suggest re-reading the thread again. Your opinion that Dev's are bashing is completely unjustified. There hasn't been anything of the sort.

 :) Of course there isn't an issue with mentioning and posting problems with the games mechanic's. As a matter of fact the issue you talk about is metioned, though it is obvious you just didn't look into it enough. Even if they weren't mentioned, it is your job as a tester in the game to say something if it hasn't already been posted. Would that be so hard?

@Pharith: It is to bad you didn't even give this game a chance. There are no missing posts. I checked this thread often and after your last one that I had address you didn't post again.
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Re: Any new player help?
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2006, 09:19:35 pm »
Well, I did discover why I couldn't find my post, it seems that this forum doesn't have "next page" buttons but "next thread" buttons instead, so I responded to a post in another thread. (On topic in that thread, mind you). So, I guess nobody deleted my post :-)

As to not having given this game a chance...

Is 30 hours for the first 2 quests not giving it a chance? especially since the only part of the second quest is the part where Harnquist tells me to get gold ore, I buy a pickaxe and someone tells me that I can mine gold ore in the magic shop and gives me directions that gets me totally lost in the forest. (Go north and take a right at the intersection) I don't know how to tell north in the game, but I assumed that the road going out of the city (to Oja...something according to rumour) was going north, then I zone and there is nothing resembling a road, maybe something looking like a dirt road, though it could just be some lighter terrain. Anyway I follow it, going right whenever I was in doubt, but I didn't see anything resembling a road, house, or magic shop.

I did try asking people for help, but somehow either the keyboard gets disabled or the client crashes everytime I get a response.

Should I really give it more time than this?

In that case I'm afraid I need something more to go on. I really wouldn't know what to do anymore...

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Re: Any new player help?
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2006, 09:28:15 pm »
* steuben ponders a responce...

the curve was steeper in mb, and there was less to and see there.

you're choice, go or stay. but then riding things out will be more rewarding then simply walking away from it all.
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Re: Any new player help?
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2006, 09:29:44 pm »
Pharith, your enjoyment is ultimately your priority. If you are not having fun and you think you can spend your time on better things, do so :) PlaneShift can be really hard on new players - a game this early in development needs a lot of patience and dedication, sometimes an insane amount. People leave, people take breaks. It's perfectly fine. Many things are broken, many things don't work as well as they should, and if this is too much, you don't have to use them.

There are bad days - days when you can't find anyone to help you, where it seems like every game action is plagued by every imaginable bug, where the server crashes every five minutes, where you lag when the server is up. But we have good days too - when you can chase Yulbars by Harnquist, where people pull you into random fun roleplay sessions, where someone offers help for any quest you may need, and gives you a guided tour instead of just directions.

Some people stuck around, and they had it pay off. If you'd like, I can log in right now and give you a hand in anything you'd need :}

Your choice.
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Re: Any new player help?
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2006, 09:37:27 pm »
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I did try asking people for help, but somehow either the keyboard gets disabled or the client crashes everytime I get a response.

Sounds like you should take a look through Technical Help: IN GAME bugs (after loading world) section in the forums. Fixing this problem would make it obviously alot more easy to then interact in the game.

Getting lost happens to the best of us. I have played planeshift for a year and knew the lay out of the land quite well. Until this new client. Now everyone is getting lost and exploring. This is all new to us old players as well. This game is  alpha so there are going to be issues with the mechanic's of the game until the bugs get fixed. I can't stress that point enough. If you are expecting it to play like any other game and are disappointed it doesn't, then yes maybe it is time to move on. They are looking for people to test the game at this point. Not to rate it as if it was finished.
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