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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2006, 01:04:20 am »
Wait, i'm confused, whose way would we be getting into?

And i'm sorry about the russian comment :(, my point was that any help with soviet russia is better than no help.
Mine, and the RP world's in general.

Don't worry about the Russian comment, I wasn't offended, just wanted to keep you on your toes.

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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2006, 01:18:31 am »
How would we be getting in your way, or the RP worlds?

Sure we would have an effect on RP but everyone does that, what's your point?

I really think you need to fully explain your stance rather than giving a one sentance reply.

I still don't understand your position.
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2006, 01:43:57 am »
Essentially? Clutter. Also, realism. You are cluttering up the world with unnecessary politics. Yes, unnecessary. Also, you are cutting out realism because in reality people don't start organisations like this with so little forethought, especially when other such organisations are already in existence. And that's just for starters.

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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2006, 09:44:26 am »
Essentially? Clutter. Also, realism. You are cluttering up the world with unnecessary politics. Yes, unnecessary. Also, you are cutting out realism because in reality people don't start organisations like this with so little forethought, especially when other such organisations are already in existence. And that's just for starters.

What world are you living in?

Things were planned out for this Organization, just not as in depth as you would like.

In the real world, things work this way as well, people don't think out every single detail before they go into an organization.

And as examples, i place forth the United Nations, or even our own nation America, not much forthought was given at the beginning as is being given now.

I don't get your clutter excuse either....

There are many REALISTIC, and REAL, organizations today that help the world, that is their job and they do it with no profit.

HOW is this organization causing Clutter or how is it unrealistic, we see organizations like this all the time.

I have to admit, your lasts posts have caused more clutter and been less organized than Illustro ever has been. :whistling: :woot:

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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2006, 08:06:49 pm »
I did not expect you to agree with me. I have met all of about three people in this whole community who have the ability to remain objective, and you are not one of them. Therefore, say what you like, but I stand by my opinion. I will not, however, bother to try and convince you that I am right, since that would only ruin the thread and achieve nothing anyways.

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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2006, 12:52:01 am »
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Maybe a trip to old soviet russia will make you undestand pain, and don't worry, we won't help you there.
actually, old soviet russia wasn't that bad, from personal experience. But anyway, about the goals. There are so many people bringing hope and justice the great peoples of Yliakum are probably sick of it. Also, there's nothing to defend. No evil here. Hasn't been except for a breif moment with Deus ex Trucido. Which reminds me, off to create a original thought out pwning evil bwahahahahahhahahhaa guild.


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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2006, 12:57:42 am »
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Maybe a trip to old soviet russia will make you undestand pain, and don't worry, we won't help you there.
actually, old soviet russia wasn't that bad, from personal experience. But anyway, about the goals. There are so many people bringing hope and justice the great peoples of Yliakum are probably sick of it. Also, there's nothing to defend. No evil here. Hasn't been except for a breif moment with Deus ex Trucido. Which reminds me, off to create a original thought out pwning evil bwahahahahahhahahhaa guild.


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OLD SOVIET RUSSIA WASN'T THAT BAD!!!

They killed 20 million of their own people, about 3 haulocausts!

Are you serious!

As for phineas, if you can't prove your point, why bother posting it, especially if you won't discuss it.

Basically, all i got out of it was gibberish, and that's all it was.

As for people in the community, you are the first i find that cannot explain his position, Congrats :thumbup:!

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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2006, 05:08:10 am »
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Maybe a trip to old soviet russia will make you undestand pain, and don't worry, we won't help you there.
actually, old soviet russia wasn't that bad, from personal experience. But anyway, about the goals. There are so many people bringing hope and justice the great peoples of Yliakum are probably sick of it. Also, there's nothing to defend. No evil here. Hasn't been except for a breif moment with Deus ex Trucido. Which reminds me, off to create a original thought out pwning evil bwahahahahahhahahhaa guild.


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OLD SOVIET RUSSIA WASN'T THAT BAD!!!

They killed 20 million of their own people, about 3 haulocausts!

Are you serious!

As for phineas, if you can't prove your point, why bother posting it, especially if you won't discuss it.

Basically, all i got out of it was gibberish, and that's all it was.

As for people in the community, you are the first i find that cannot explain his position, Congrats :thumbup:!

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I did. You obviously weren't paying attention. Besides, as I said that's only the beginning Robin brought up a good point or two as well. Besides, like I said, it's not that I'm not interested in having an argument, it's just that I'm interested in arguing with people who are actually open, as opposed to just letting you insult me, which appears to be all you're interested in doing.

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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2006, 09:49:55 am »
Lol, k, play the insult card.

There was no reference to you being anything bad in this thread, i don't see any insults.

The only statement made was, you can't defend your point, and you stated that i am not objective.

I don't see any rudeness, but hey, if you concede your piont, i'm fine with that.

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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2006, 11:23:10 am »
Lol, k, play the insult card.

There was no reference to you being anything bad in this thread, i don't see any insults.

The only statement made was, you can't defend your point, and you stated that i am not objective.

I don't see any rudeness, but hey, if you concede your piont, i'm fine with that.

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If i got him right his point was at the start that they should work out their own background and not let us do it for them. I agree with him. If you can't make up something don't do it.

as sangwa said with "how are you going to bring happiness?" make a circuss ;)

You would probably have to find out what you want from within the alliance and it's members, work out some detailed points (crafter guilds give money and weapons to the other guilds). And what you would expect from the world around you also how you would intefer with different events... does the organization want to inspect what is being mixed together in drinks to let people not get poisoned?

Hope this helps :)

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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2006, 12:37:49 am »
I sort of agree with the background thing.
Please dont visit that website  ???

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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2006, 02:38:42 am »
its all accurate this group has little direction or course atm, I do not however think it is innapropriate to ask for ideological contributions from the community . . .

I was asked to join this Alliance after asking at least one of the involved guilds to merge with the vespers. After a great deal of work to make my own charity work with the aid of my guildmates, i decided to extend a hand to the other guilds whose stated purpose was to aid other players. Other than the work the vespers have done i have seen little tangible systematized effort to aid new players. When the money flowed freely we did a great deal of good work and helped alot of players. I owe a great debt of gratitude to every member of the vespers that gave their time and resources to our charity as well as everyone who donated. Self interest is the dominant paradigm for all humanity, this generally hides itself under a mask of altruism.

for myself i make no excuse but this: Xillix is not, nor was she ever altruistic.
all of this is ooc and my charity will continue.

As a player i felt that i could serve the community so you would all know that my octarch thing was not a naked power grab, but an earnest attempt at a decent, well devised roleplay. I got ahead of myself, i had read all the settings at that point but not spoken to all npcs and not taken part in the forums so it was as an outsider that i did what i did. My charity had its roots in my feeling a need to reach out to the community and display something other than mere power mongering. It went very welll at first but the combination of being yelled at for shouting ;), and the tria wipe, and the onset of crafting (which gave wealthy players someplace to sink all of their money) has rendered my charity much less effective. My goal in joining Illustro was to help organize a larger scale project similar in nature to my charity in part to relieve my guild of what was at the time of my joining very weighed down by time spent aiding new players. 

The reason i meantion all of this is because i agree that right now there is not much going on with Illustro. I would like to see or help create a system by which Illustro might effect the game positively. The is no current influx of noobs as we had during the heyday of the Vespers charity. But each new release sees such an influx and perhaps if the community geared up for that with a plan for how best to retain what is good from the next influx would be useful.

Generally i believe most people are poor at playing good guys or bad guys and are better at playing self interested arses that run about moralizing and policing what they call rp, since this is true, i see little trouble in asking before the fact what the community thinks. I will discuss with my guild the possibility of making our scripts for aiding new players public here, so that there is something to look at and critique constructively.

I am a late comer to this thread and did not even know this was going to be posted, I agree with most of the current critiscism. I hope Illustro will make something of itself, something more than a loose aliance of "people that help people" but i hope that for everyone who believes stating this makes it true.
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« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2006, 03:08:49 am »
Generally i believe most people are poor at playing good guys or bad guys and are better at playing self interested arses that run about moralizing and policing what they call rp, since this is true, i see little trouble in asking before the fact what the community thinks.
Hmm... so you state what you believe, and then state that it's obviously true... Interesting... And I believe that you've simply been hanging around with the wrong crowd, Xillix. The in-game standard of what is "good RP" is appalling. I have yet to meet someone there who I do not know from the forums who can RP well. If you want to see people who are good at "playing good guys or bad guys", then I suggest you look to some of the more experienced characters.

As for the rest of your post, I agree with most of what you said, although very little of it concerns me. Since I do not RP a "good" person I'm not going to contribute in that sense, and therefore what you said about helping newbies has nothing to do with me.

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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2006, 03:26:57 am »
I only meant that it was true that i believed it :D

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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2006, 08:06:23 am »
Basically what i got from Xillix's post was Illustro is not effective.

Maybe that is true, but take into account certain things, it wasn't formed years ago or even months ago, it was formed recently.

I do not know when the guild leaders meet or even if they meet.

Most guild leaders do not know the others in this organization.

To fix all these things, you need time. Let everyone get acclimated, get to know each other, schedule weekly meetings, and set some goals.

It takes time people. And frankly phineas, i haven't seen you build a better organization. Criticism takes experience, and i don't see much of it from either side. We do not have all the facts and we can't be too quick to judge that it's a bad organization.

Come back in 4 months and tell me how illustro does, let it try the test of time.

And as for RP, if the only people you have ever met who had good RP were on the forums, maybe your standards are based too high.

That or you've met alot of people on the forums.

I see plenty of good RP in Planeshift, not perfect, but very good.

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