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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2006, 12:15:35 am »
I agree, this alliance is ineffective, Me and My guild members are in it, ive only actually ever met Xillix Constrabus and Gondric face-to-face, ive never met the alliance leader. Xillix, I dont think you have registered on the (quite inactive) forums, the crafters have fallen apart, the 'force wielders' if they are still named this have never been online (except Kivi) as far as I can see, infact after checking Alliance info I see that Gondric isnt even the leader of YK anymore. this is what I mean, there is no inter-alliance communication, no meetings. As the leader of an active guild it would be great for Me and the guilds members to actually be in an active alliance.

This may sound like a totally disparaging post aimed at the alliance im a member of but I really want it to work and that is why im doing this. Maybe it is a lost cause but im willing to work at it if there are people about to work at it aswell.

I also was unaware of this post until I stumbled across it yesterday.

Xillix, I do agree with your aims, I want to further these aswell, I hope we can talk about this.
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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2006, 12:30:37 am »
And frankly phineas, i haven't seen you build a better organization.
That's because I'm not interested in world peace unlike all the other candidates for Miss America that I see on these forums. I have made better organisations, or at least one, but it was not dedicated to this concept.
Criticism takes experience, and i don't see much of it from either side.
Then you haven't been looking very hard.
We do not have all the facts and we can't be too quick to judge that it's a bad organization.
Oh, I beg to differ..  :devil: Actually, I don't think the "we don't have all the facts" argument is just a way to put off judgement. How many facts can their be? Xillix has already said that so far it's a flop. It is possible that it will improve with time, but I'm betting on it dying out.
And as for RP, if the only people you have ever met who had good RP were on the forums, maybe your standards are based too high.

That or you've met alot of people on the forums.

I see plenty of good RP in Planeshift, not perfect, but very good.
My standards are very high, that is because in PS I hang out with people who meet them. After a couple of years of hanging out with really truly good RPers it's hard to lower your standards. There is also the fact that I'm not in-game all that often, so it's unlikely that I would meet all that many good RPers. I'm not saying that there aren't good RPers other than the forumers, I'm just saying I haven't met them.

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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2006, 02:19:49 am »
And frankly phineas, i haven't seen you build a better organization.
That's because I'm not interested in world peace unlike all the other candidates for Miss America that I see on these forums. I have made better organisations, or at least one, but it was not dedicated to this concept.

Candidates of miss america?
So your saying you don't like this alliance, not because it's bad, but because you don't agree with it's concept?

And you've made one organization, fine, what's it called, where did you post it's information, and how is it doing today?

Are you still active in it? What's it's themes? As an organization what is it that you all do? Why can't this be done by a single guild?

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Criticism takes experience, and i don't see much of it from either side.
Then you haven't been looking very hard.

Gladly, show me where this experience stems from, i want to see this great organization of yours.

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We do not have all the facts and we can't be too quick to judge that it's a bad organization.
Oh, I beg to differ..  :devil: Actually, I don't think the "we don't have all the facts" argument is just a way to put off judgement. How many facts can their be? Xillix has already said that so far it's a flop. It is possible that it will improve with time, but I'm betting on it dying out.

So my opinion means nothing. If Xillix says the world is going to end, then by god, it's going to happen. Look i've never met anyone whose based an organization on the opinion of one member. Xillix may feel it will fail, but i don't.

What i do agree with is that it can get better, will get better, and just needs some time.

And by the way, have you even met the members of this Organization, and have you asked them personally such questions?
You haven't?

Well guess what then, you don't have all the facts!

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And as for RP, if the only people you have ever met who had good RP were on the forums, maybe your standards are based too high.

That or you've met alot of people on the forums.

I see plenty of good RP in Planeshift, not perfect, but very good.

My standards are very high, that is because in PS I hang out with people who meet them. After a couple of years of hanging out with really truly good RPers it's hard to lower your standards. There is also the fact that I'm not in-game all that often, so it's unlikely that I would meet all that many good RPers. I'm not saying that there aren't good RPers other than the forumers, I'm just saying I haven't met them.

If your not ingame often, meeting people, and in RP, how do you expect to meet Rpers?

Just log in and be sorounded by them? It does take some looking, not as much as you would think. I can say i've met atleast 1 good rper every day i log on.

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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2006, 05:00:17 am »

Candidates of miss america?
So your saying you don't like this alliance, not because it's bad, but because you don't agree with it's concept?
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No, that's not the reason I don't like the organisation. I never said that, and it was rash and downright foolish of you to say that. I know you're trying to get your argument rolling, but randomly accusing me of opinions I haven't expressed in the hopes that no one will notice that I didn't actually say that, is just low.

As a side note, I don't really enjoy arguing when one party starts taking it personally. I will post this time, and maybe other times as well, but you can be secure in the knowledge that your heated outbursts have taken all the joy out of this for me.

As for my organisation... If I told you I'd have to kill you. Just kidding. It was a mages school. Essentially. It fulfilled other roles as well. It was not a guild, but a school, with a library and such, that members of any guild were invited to study and teach at. It was called the Athenaeum of Magic. Unfortunately it died for two reasons. First off, Levski, who you've most likely never heard of, suddenly left. By suddenly I mean that one day he was there, and the next he didn't show up. Never saw him again after that. I emailed him, etc. etc. nothing. This is significant because besides being a wizard of no small repute and an esteemed member of the Ordo Illuminati, he was also our webmaster and had all the passwords that we would have needed to continue the organisation. He was also hosting it through his own site, as I remember. Secondly, I had to move to a place with no Internet. I was there for a year, which is why I haven't been around till a few months ago. When I returned the site was gone. I've considered reviving it, but would rather go for an original idea than a repeat of something I already did. It would lack style if I just tried to copy previous ideas. It died fairly young, and before it had a chance to realize it's true capabilities, but there are several people who can let you know whether or not it was well done. A lot of them have left, as well. I'm not going to list names since other than Cyl you probably don't know most of them.

Thus we have established my experience. I was also a part of Kada's tavern. The site, not the in-game location. I've been a member of several guilds, and have friends in just about every guild, alliance, and organisation that existed in PS since I came here. Also, the original idea behind the CoV was my brainchild. The original idea, I say, because I'm not particularly thrilled with the direction they're going in it.

As for the rest, I was of the understanding that Xillix was a member. Plus there's Idoru's opinion. That already makes two members if I'm correct, I don't know how many there are, but two unsatisfied members in what I understand is a fairly small organisation, is already quite a few.

As for the RP... the fact still remains that I have yet to meet good RPers there that I haven't already met in the forums. I concede the point that  I'm perhaps not in enough to meet them, but still...

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« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2006, 09:48:50 am »

Candidates of miss america?
So your saying you don't like this alliance, not because it's bad, but because you don't agree with it's concept?
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No, that's not the reason I don't like the organisation. I never said that, and it was rash and downright foolish of you to say that. I know you're trying to get your argument rolling, but randomly accusing me of opinions I haven't expressed in the hopes that no one will notice that I didn't actually say that, is just low.

That is an assumption, i did read it that way, and i understood it that way. You called us little miss america's, how was i supposed to take it? You were making a joke of what we did, and it's not my fault i didn't understand what you were saying, i'm not a psychic.

I can also assure you our Organization is no joke.

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As a side note, I don't really enjoy arguing when one party starts taking it personally. I will post this time, and maybe other times as well, but you can be secure in the knowledge that your heated outbursts have taken all the joy out of this for me.

You take joy in dismantaling the hard work of people?
These guilds and organizations arn't created in seconds or days and they take alot of organization.

Now you may argue that you don't dismantle all of them and you like a few of them, I'd like you to then post a list of atleast 5 guilds or organizations that you have approved, without dismantaling. I'd also appreciate you posting links to their threads.


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As for my organisation... If I told you I'd have to kill you. Just kidding. It was a mages school. Essentially. It fulfilled other roles as well. It was not a guild, but a school, with a library and such, that members of any guild were invited to study and teach at. It was called the Athenaeum of Magic. Unfortunately it died for two reasons. First off, Levski, who you've most likely never heard of, suddenly left. By suddenly I mean that one day he was there, and the next he didn't show up. Never saw him again after that. I emailed him, etc. etc. nothing. This is significant because besides being a wizard of no small repute and an esteemed member of the Ordo Illuminati, he was also our webmaster and had all the passwords that we would have needed to continue the organisation. He was also hosting it through his own site, as I remember. Secondly, I had to move to a place with no Internet. I was there for a year, which is why I haven't been around till a few months ago. When I returned the site was gone. I've considered reviving it, but would rather go for an original idea than a repeat of something I already did. It would lack style if I just tried to copy previous ideas. It died fairly young, and before it had a chance to realize it's true capabilities, but there are several people who can let you know whether or not it was well done. A lot of them have left, as well. I'm not going to list names since other than Cyl you probably don't know most of them.

It seems obvious then from your own post, that you have never really created an effective organization, and obviously would not know how to make one untill you actually tried it. You might have some theories or some ideas, but untill you can try them out and see how they do, your words hold no weight.

Now i'm not saying i'm special either, i have never made a guild, or an organization, but atleast i don't prounce around the Guild forums and pretend i'm a know it all. Again, this opinion has been made from countless observations, rather than provide "constructive" criticism, all i've seen from you is "destructive" criticism; especially in this thread.

And don't blame your organization's fall on the webmaster, it is very simple to start another website, then you can post the new link in your guild chat. Remember, you can go in game and actually interact with people.

I also saw you repeat the phrase, "you probably don't know them" or something to that accord. I don't know if i should take offense to that or just leave it be. So i'm letting that go, because again, how would you know if i knew them or not.

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Thus we have established my experience. I was also a part of Kada's tavern. The site, not the in-game location. I've been a member of several guilds, and have friends in just about every guild, alliance, and organisation that existed in PS since I came here. Also, the original idea behind the CoV was my brainchild. The original idea, I say, because I'm not particularly thrilled with the direction they're going in it.

Sounds like someone is tooting thier own horn there to me, but again you might accuse me of mis interpretting your words so i'll leave it open to discussion and see what the forum thinks.

I personally have never met you in game, and have never heard of you there either, to me it seems you are only known on the forums. That is, unless your character in game has another name.

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As for the rest, I was of the understanding that Xillix was a member. Plus there's Idoru's opinion. That already makes two members if I'm correct, I don't know how many there are, but two unsatisfied members in what I understand is a fairly small organisation, is already quite a few.

Fairly small organization?? I can assure you this organization is bigger than yours ever was.
I doubt you could ever create an organization of this size, and yet you have the nerve to say it's a small organization?
I don't know how many members were in yours, but we're talking big numbers when it comes to Illustro.

Here are the guilds:

Crafters ~~~Leader Ganite
Elemental light ~~ The guild i'm in          ~~Leader Idoru
Helpers of Yliakum ~~~Melorek  Organization LEADER
The force wielders  ~~~Flexo
The klyros of Fury  ~~~~Constrabus
The Yliakum Knights ~~ Kazaf
Vespers of Laanx  ~~~Xillix


I don't know how many members are in the other guilds, but there are 115 members in Elemental light.

Now just using Elemental light, alone, that's 2/115 (2 divided by 115) = .01, or in other words, 1% of the Organization, JUST USIING ELEMENTAL LIGHT by itself, without counting any other guild.

If we assume that the other guilds have atleast 30 members, you get the number, 295, again a rough estimate, we probably have WAY more.
Now let's do that calculation, 2/295, (2 divided by 295) = .006   , Or about Half a Percent.

So No, you are Completely wrong when you say we are a small organization and all it takes is 2 dissenters to bring it down.
And i have spoken with Idoru, he does feel this organization isn't fully ready yet. He understands it's lacking in MANY ways.
But he agrees with me that with time, it will be better and it be fruitfull.
Obviously, if he didn't, he would have chosen to leave this organization.
But again back to my original point, give it some time, organizations with this many members can't be created and perfected overnight.

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As for the RP... the fact still remains that I have yet to meet good RPers there that I haven't already met in the forums. I concede the point that  I'm perhaps not in enough to meet them, but still...

I agree with the fact that had you been on more you'd meet more people.

Again, i don't know how busy your lifestyle is so i can't tell you to play more, but i can say , untill you've met the general public, you shoudln't hold a certain belief about them, such as there being a small amount of Rpers.

Thank you for your time Phineas, it seems you are busy, and i hope my posts have helped to enlighten you a bit.
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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2006, 08:09:28 pm »

Remember, you are speaking to approximately 300 members here, so you must understand the veracity of your comments.

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Hmmm... numbers don't make RP and most guilds that recruit anyone using the phrase "Wanna be in a guild?" or (ever worse) "Wanna be in an evil guild?" may end up having those numbers and more. And 299/200 people in them without a clue of what the guild is for. That's what leads to someone waking up one day and saying "Hey, let's be evil" and mass challenging and shouting "I'm Evil!" is unleashed.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is the case, but I doubt all your 300+ members have even heard of this alliance. I know, I know, I'm smoking in your gas station and I may be dead wrong with my assumptioon but my point is: I don't think quantity makes the organization work but how many members are really involved with its purpose... and of course, "all" is the ideal.

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« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2006, 11:08:31 pm »
Candidates of miss america?
So your saying you don't like this alliance, not because it's bad, but because you don't agree with it's concept?
No, that's not the reason I don't like the organisation. I never said that, and it was rash and downright foolish of you to say that. I know you're trying to get your argument rolling, but randomly accusing me of opinions I haven't expressed in the hopes that no one will notice that I didn't actually say that, is just low.

That is an assumption, i did read it that way, and i understood it that way. You called us little miss america's, how was i supposed to take it? You were making a joke of what we did, and it's not my fault i didn't understand what you were saying, i'm not a psychic.
Oh wait, so you're allowed to assume things, but I'm not... very objective of you there. Also, if you're not psychic, don't make assumptions. ;)

I can also assure you our Organization is no joke.

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As a side note, I don't really enjoy arguing when one party starts taking it personally. I will post this time, and maybe other times as well, but you can be secure in the knowledge that your heated outbursts have taken all the joy out of this for me.

You take joy in dismantaling the hard work of people?
These guilds and organizations arn't created in seconds or days and they take alot of organization.

Now you may argue that you don't dismantle all of them and you like a few of them, I'd like you to then post a list of atleast 5 guilds or organizations that you have approved, without dismantaling. I'd also appreciate you posting links to their threads.
As a side note, the reason I criticize is because looking at the fruits of this thing, I don't really believe that that much hard work was put into it.

I don't know why I'm doing this but here they are:
The Dark Empire http://users.fragnetics.com/darkempire/
The Feline's Lair http://www.flare.slyip.com
The Community of Vaalnor http://plexus.shacknet.nu/cov/index.php
Knowledge Seekers http://vaalnor.mine.nu/KS/forums/portal.php
The Rangers rangers-yliakum.xordan.com

I'm just including links to their sites, that should be enough for you. I'm sure you can search for their threads if you need them. Also, a lot of the guilds that I would have liked to add are, sadly, gone. They died not due to poor organisation or management, but because of the lack of interest, or inability to play of the members. There are tons of those guilds, Ashes, The Mercenary Guild, etc. etc.

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As for my organisation... If I told you I'd have to kill you. Just kidding. It was a mages school. Essentially. It fulfilled other roles as well. It was not a guild, but a school, with a library and such, that members of any guild were invited to study and teach at. It was called the Athenaeum of Magic. Unfortunately it died for two reasons. First off, Levski, who you've most likely never heard of, suddenly left. By suddenly I mean that one day he was there, and the next he didn't show up. Never saw him again after that. I emailed him, etc. etc. nothing. This is significant because besides being a wizard of no small repute and an esteemed member of the Ordo Illuminati, he was also our webmaster and had all the passwords that we would have needed to continue the organisation. He was also hosting it through his own site, as I remember. Secondly, I had to move to a place with no Internet. I was there for a year, which is why I haven't been around till a few months ago. When I returned the site was gone. I've considered reviving it, but would rather go for an original idea than a repeat of something I already did. It would lack style if I just tried to copy previous ideas. It died fairly young, and before it had a chance to realize it's true capabilities, but there are several people who can let you know whether or not it was well done. A lot of them have left, as well. I'm not going to list names since other than Cyl you probably don't know most of them.

It seems obvious then from your own post, that you have never really created an effective organization, and obviously would not know how to make one untill you actually tried it. You might have some theories or some ideas, but untill you can try them out and see how they do, your words hold no weight.
I'm not sure how that's obvious. I ran the organisation. It worked. Yes, it died prematurely, but not due to any failure on my part.

And don't blame your organization's fall on the webmaster, it is very simple to start another website, then you can post the new link in your guild chat. Remember, you can go in game and actually interact with people.
Yes, it's easy to have make another website if you have the time and/or skill. I didn't. So there's nothing wrong with blaming the webmaster that I can see. Like I said, it hadn't really gotten off the ground and we didn't have anyone else who could be webmaster.
I also saw you repeat the phrase, "you probably don't know them" or something to that accord. I don't know if i should take offense to that or just leave it be. So i'm letting that go, because again, how would you know if i knew them or not.
Oh great, now you're just looking for things to be insulted at? I said that simply because I don't remember you being around the time that you created it. I'm not even sure how you could take offense at that if you wanted to.
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Thus we have established my experience. I was also a part of Kada's tavern. The site, not the in-game location. I've been a member of several guilds, and have friends in just about every guild, alliance, and organisation that existed in PS since I came here. Also, the original idea behind the CoV was my brainchild. The original idea, I say, because I'm not particularly thrilled with the direction they're going in it.

Sounds like someone is tooting thier own horn there to me, but again you might accuse me of mis interpretting your words so i'll leave it open to discussion and see what the forum thinks.
Oh my goodness. You told me to prove that I was experienced, and then you blame me for tooting my horn? That's just messed up.

I personally have never met you in game, and have never heard of you there either, to me it seems you are only known on the forums. That is, unless your character in game has another name.
I moved around a lot and have only recently gotten a computer that I could install PS on. Now all I lack is the time to play it.

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As for the rest, I was of the understanding that Xillix was a member. Plus there's Idoru's opinion. That already makes two members if I'm correct, I don't know how many there are, but two unsatisfied members in what I understand is a fairly small organisation, is already quite a few.

Fairly small organization?? I can assure you this organization is bigger than yours ever was.
I doubt you could ever create an organization of this size, and yet you have the nerve to say it's a small organization?
I don't know how many members were in yours, but we're talking big numbers when it comes to Illustro.

Here are the guilds:

Crafters ~~~Leader Ganite
Elemental light ~~ The guild i'm in          ~~Leader Idoru
Helpers of Yliakum ~~~Melorek  Organization LEADER
The force wielders  ~~~Flexo
The klyros of Fury  ~~~~Constrabus
The Yliakum Knights ~~ Kazaf
Vespers of Laanx  ~~~Xillix
So wait, you're saying that two out of seven guild leaders is not significant? I think that's funny. You talk about how it's not small, but can only list seven guilds, and two of them have already stated that it's fairly worthless. I think that's pretty significant. I mean, sure it's possible that all the rest are doing things without Xillix and Idoru, but what are the chances?

Thank you for your time Phineas, it seems you are busy, and i hope my posts have helped to enlighten you a bit.
Remember, you are speaking to approximately 300 members here, so you must understand the veracity of your comments.
Actually no, your posts have not enlightened me. They have actually entrenched me in my opinion, and also given me a negative opinion of you to some extent. I don't think you're a bad guy, but there's a lot of logic gaps in the things you say. I will continue to post my opinions. I will not, however, post anything in defense of personal attacks against me. If you really want to find out what I'm like or if I know what I'm talking about, ask the people who actually know me. Under the Moon, Karyuu, Sangwa, Valbrandr, Induane, etc. etc.
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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2006, 01:51:02 am »
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"So wait, you're saying that two out of seven guild leaders is not significant? I think that's funny. You talk about how it's not small, but can only list seven guilds, and two of them have already stated that it's fairly worthless. I think that's pretty significant. I mean, sure it's possible that all the rest are doing things without Xillix and Idoru, but what are the chances?"

1 Guild leader disagrees with you, and he agrees with me that this organization will get better, i mentioned that in my previous post but you didn't reply to it.

And 1 guild leader, Xillix, Does not overrule 300 members, so no i'm sorry your wrong in that case.

Also, i asked for threads to the above guilds you approved of.

I never asked for their websites, again, threads.


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"Hmmm... numbers don't make RP and most guilds that recruit anyone using the phrase "Wanna be in a guild?" or (ever worse) "Wanna be in an evil guild?" may end up having those numbers and more. And 299/200 people in them without a clue of what the guild is for. That's what leads to someone waking up one day and saying "Hey, let's be evil" and mass challenging and shouting "I'm Evil!" is unleashed."

I never mentioned the 300 member thing to prove that we were good. I only mentioned that because Phineas said that the opinion of 1 person, Xillix, Was enough to prove the organization was useless.

I showed him we had a plethera of members and that 1 person wasn't going to overrule them all.

And Elemental light has about 15 people online, on average, each day, so we are very active. We have very few members who don't show up atleast once a week, i'd guess about 10 and even those members will show up atleast once a month.

That's just us alone, i have no clue how many are online for the other guilds, but i can guess atleast 5.

So again, the numbers were not to prove we are good but that this organization is Big and that one members opinion isn't that important.
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And by the way, i believe Xillix thinks this Organization will get better as well, How do i know that...?

Well she is still in the organization, if she truly felt this organization was a waste, she'd be gone now.

Guess what though phineas, she's still in it, even if she does feel it's lacking at this point, she probabaly feels it will get better.

You seem to be the only one who disagrees with that.

Basically it's , Phineas v.s Illustro=~300 members

And we get, Phineas < Illustro.

I agree we are lacking, I agree there needs to be fixes and more organization, but again, give it time, i thiink all members of illustro feel that way, if they didn't they'd have left.

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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2006, 02:02:23 am »
Again with the flawed logic. Lots of members in guilds in an organization do not equal a good organization.

As for the threads, I told you you could find them yourself.

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« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2006, 02:48:53 am »
You don't have to contestate Phinehas' critiques. You listen, you give your answer and quietly try to make your project into something that can be seen... Rather than staying merely a topic of conversation.
Phinehas is right to assume he can not expect much of you. You have shown him quite little... Just bragging about how good your idea is and how much people support it. Take it easy. We can not wreck your organization, not unless you let us. And let you will, if you keep this mad. Angry, irracional (ie mad) people have the tendency to give up things and go sulk in a corner.

Maybe those who critic you do so because your goals are quite hard to see achieved. Seeking peace is something really easy to do. In fact, I'd say Yliakum is quite peaceful at the moment. I doubt it was your doing though.

I have seen members of the guilds you mentioned above witnessing battles in the plaza and stay quiet, while I have to dissuade the people who engage in it. I've also engaged with member of some of those guilds, in the past, and found them quite missing... as far as "information" is concerned.

From my experience, I say this organization can exist. However, I am not sure it will work. I believe it might stay an apathic association of guilds that will have no weight in Yliakum's peace and virtues... Just serve as a tag and a weak roleplay topic.

However, if you are willing, and capable, of putting 300 people to work... It might come out good. I'd like to see Hydlaa well kept clean by some kind of force. If you could show me that, I'd even congratulate you. If you can't... Well, then don't complain. Avoid getting hot headed, post why things happen and what are you trying to do to change them. That's all we need from you.

PS: If everyone in the Illustro follows your way of action then I believe "Phinehas > Illustro." As far as overall quality is concerned at least. Not offending you personally, just trying to affront the way you go at arguments.
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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2006, 03:30:11 am »
i agree with assertion that it is best to take critique quietly not personally

the organization started on the fly

its leaders have asked for help

people have offered some

I love that evil folks have come into the thread to offer critique and for my part i thank them.

now to making something of this . . .

I have the system that i used to aid new players when i did that more often I will post it here for all interested parties to edit or critique, I ask that people do so in a manner that contributes to it.

If the other members of Illustro decide once the critique finishes to use this system to aid the new i will give it as a gift to them. One thing that is important to consider is Illustro's capacity to do all of this in multiple locations hydlaa and oja and that i felt it worked well for us because we were in a fixed position at the temple. Much of this needs some alteration and reordering, i know teach them how to speak first. Another note is that all of this is now done in group chat by the Vespers.

OPERATING PROCEDURE

- If the person coming wants help and he can be helped with little effort and time spent (for example telling him a tip, the name of a place or the name of a character, etc.) he can just be helped (just introduce yourself, make him introduce himself and help him).

- If the help needed requires more effort or time spent than those examples said, we must follow this order:

REVISED QUEST SYSTEM

1.- Introduce yourself
[use bind # 1 at the end of this post to get a standard example of introducing yourself]

2.- Make the person coming introduce himself or herself.

3.- Make the person do the Forum quest. [Use bind number 3 at the end of this post.]

4.- Teach them how to use brackets properly, that is:
- Explain to them what IC speech and OOC speech means.
- Give them examples [lol, haxxor, ;P, lagging, leet speech , game mechanics are not to be said outside of brackets]
- Tell them to use square brackets when speaking OOC, to keep the role playing atmosphere (and to avoid being punished by Game Masters, who are invisible sometimes). [Use bind # 4 Wanchu’s Wicked Washing]

5.- Drop the Person off at the sewers teach them combat if they need and tell the person to kill some rats until they are filled up on rat parts and to return when this is done for more advice and a reward quest. [Use bind # 5 Kernow’s Combat Compendium.]

6.- Give the person 100 tria to buy a pick from Harnquist, and have them get Harnquist to teach them mining with their newly acquired pp, tell them to return when finished.
[Use bind #6]

7.- Arrange two or more new players in a group with a Musing Missionary or greater Vesper to go on a walking tour of Yliakum this is to include the Death Realm[and how to get out], the arena, the library, point out where Boralis the armorer is and tell them to remember where it is, the face, the ruins, and Ojaveda, and finally the magic shop, While on the tour have the person sell the rat parts the eyes are sold in the DR and the Hides in Ojaveda. [Use Bind # 7 explorations]

8.- On the way back drop the person off at the magic shop mining place to mine some gold, once they have ten ores tell them to then go and speak with Levrus at the magic shop and say “give me a quest” this should be a quest for gold they give one ore Levrus then return. The other ore is donated to the church. The ore should be given to one of the Laughing Choristers for the Choristers to carry to Crystal, Memienta, or one of our other smelters. [Use bind # 8 Diggah’s Digging Diary]

9. – If they return give the person 5k tria and send them to Boralis to get armor and bring it back. When they return tell the person it is a gift from the Vespers of Laanx.
[Use bind # 9 the first gift]

10. - Make the person do the Death Realm quest find 3 people to help out of there, it does not matter how long it takes make them do ALL three. [Use bind # 10 Death Realm]

11. - Give them the 6k for the glyphs and send them to Levrus again as a reward. Have the individual return when finished. [use bind # 11 Magic shop]

12. - Teach the person to use their spells and bind them as shortcuts.
[Use bind # 12 Memienta’s Magick Manual]

13. - If the person wants help, then give the person help. After you help the person or if the person does not want aid ask them OOC in brackets [what type of character are you a thief? a wizard? a priest? Evil? Good?] Send them all to me with their answers for now. Only ask the truly bright ones to join the Vespers of Laanx. Xillix will send all others and anyone who is bright who says they would NOT like to join to another guild.
[Use bind # 13 who are you?]

14. - If the person is truly bright and seems inclined, ask if they are interested in joining the guild, then make the individual put in shortcuts all the binds that are at the end of this post and the prayer [Use bind #14 Prayer]

15. - Tell me or Leament a person is ready to read the guild advancement requirements and Xillix or Leament will give permission to view the private forum for that purpose.

16. - If all of this is ready and you have heard them speak the prayer tell Xillix that the person is ready to join the guild

Exclamation Go in to your planeshift folder, in the options folder there is a file called shortcutcommands.xml, open it up with wordpad(right click the file, then scroll down to open with) then replace shortcut 11 with this.

Binds and prayer

Bind number 1: Standard example of introducing yourself
/say Greetings, my name is Wanchu, I am a Musing Missionary in the Vespers of Laanx

Bind number 2: Temple shout
/shout Vespers of Laanx, now accepting donations large and small we will take anything. We grant charity to those in need. Send us the lost, insane, sick, tired, and daft... You will find us in or around the temple of Laanx.

Bind number 3: Forum quest

/say First thing I have to say is that if you want my aid you must study the history of our world, Yliakum. [Go to sewersofbabel.com/vespersoflaanx and register with you character name, and then click General, inside there is the history of Yliakum, read it and return and I shall reward you with another quest.]

Bind number 4: “Wanchu’s Wicked Washing” a guide to cleanliness, order etiquette and courtesy, How to speak IC, OOC and Brackets
* Xillix Queen of Fools draws forth a book filthy and bound in tefusang hide burned into the hairs of the front cover are the words “Wanchu’s Wicked Washing, a guide to cleanliness, order etiquette and courtesy” and offers you the book. Saying “please read this.” [People here enjoy an immersive role playing backdrop, please always be respectful of this][Now I am going to explain why people use brackets in game] [When one speaks in open chat, as we are now doing it is polite to make a distinction between what the person sitting at the computer and the character says] [Brackets are how we make this distinction][Anything the person at the computer who lives on earth says goes inside here] [Examples are: lol, haxxor, ;P, lagging, leet speech , game mechanics are not to be said outside of brackets] Watch your tongue in general and try to be respectful of those deserving it. [You can also do possessive by using /me and /my before you speak, try /me loves the Vespers of Laanx]

Bind number 5: Kernow’s Combat Compendium

* Xillix Queen of Fools pulls a rusty Iron bound book from a bag, its title reads Kernow’s Combat Compendium, “Now before I send you to go and defeat rats here are some things you should know. You must read this cover to cover” and offers the book. [The difficult way to do combat is to left click a rat and then attack. The easier way to do combat is to create a shortcut. Press the button that looks like a squiggly arrow with its bottom pointing to the right, then drag open the short cuts dialogue window by pulling it from the bottom right corner, then choose a blank one, then left click, then title it “Kill” then in the larger window add these lines, /target clear, then on a new line /target nearest npc, then on a new line /attack 1, now bind all of that to a key of your choosing, I use “k” this way is much better in the long run and will save you time.] “I trust you found it a good read?” “Next I want you to stay here until you fill up with rat parts then return to the temple for a reward quest.”

Bind number 6: go to Harnquist for a pick

* Xillix Queen of Fools offers 100 tria and says “I want you to go to Harnquist’s there across there plaza and purchase a pick. Then have him train you in how to use it. [To do this right click Harnquist then select buy sell, then choose mining equipment then click the pick, and then click buy button.] [To train mining right click Harnquist again, then select the training option, then select mining, then click the buy training button] “when you have done this return.

Bind number 7: Explorations

/say Now we will try to arrange a walking tour of the realms for you as soon as is possible. We must wait until there are no less than two persons of similar a similar experience level as yourself to take on the journey, so please walk around and explore but stay close so you can be summoned back quickly. We will be showing you were most of the major landmarks in the game are so it will be valuable to you.

Bind number 8: Diggah’s Digging Diary

* Xillix Queen of Fools pulls a book from a satchel, its cover appears covered in diamond dust with ruby dust for the lettering it reads “Diggah’s Digging Diary” [Now you will learn how to mine here is where you mine gold, go up to the hillside, then place your pick in your shield hand, then type /dig gold, do this until you have ten pieces, then go and speak with Levrus at the magic shop and say “give me a quest” this should be a quest for gold, then click Levrus and trade him a single piece of the gold, then return to the temple.]

Bind number 9: The first gift

/say Your next quest is more of a test. Here is five thousand tria see if you can remember where Boralis is or have someone else help you find him. Boralis is the armor smith of Hydlaa. Go to him and buy one of each piece of armor he sells and two swords for yourself if you do not have them and return with all of that as quickly as possible and return with the armor and the change. If you succeed I will have another task for you.

Bind number 10: Death Realm quest

/say Your next quest will be charitable in nature. I want you to go to the Death Realm and lead the next three lost souls out from there. Tell each soul to seek out The Vespers of Laanx or Lady Xillix Queen of Fools at the Laanx Temple in Hydlaa if they would like assistance. When you have done this for three lost souls, the Vespers will reward you.

Bind number 11:Magic Shop

/say here is six thousand tria. I need you to go to the magic shop and buy one of each of the glyphs Levrus sells, and then return quickly.

Bind number 12: Memienta’s Magick Manual

* Xillix Queen of Fools offers forth a manual with strange writings around the binding and the symbol of Laanx inscribed on the front, “this is Memienta’s Magick Manual read it fully.” [In order to cast spells, you first need Glyphs. Glyphs can be purchased or gotten through quests. You have a glyph, you need to purify it. First open the spell book. Then click on the button to the left of the center of the top of the window. There, you will see the glyphs in your inventory in six groups. Take the glyph, and drag it over the left-most button in the bottom left corner of the new window. Then, the glyph will be purified. It doesn't happen immediately. Then, create spells. Drag a purified glyph into one of the four empty slots in the bottom left corner.]

Bind number 12a : Memienta’s Magick Manual Continued
/say [You can drag more than one, but it won't always create a spell. If the combination creates a workable spell, a description of it will appear in the box to the right. Then, click the middle of the three buttons in the bottom left corner to save the spell in your spell book. Then, you can go to your spell book, highlight the spell, and press the button to the right of the center at the top to cast it. The button looks like a hand with a glow in the middle of it. Now to teach you how to bind one to a shortcut, press the button that looks like a squiggly with an arrow at its bottom pointing to the right, then drag open the short cuts dialogue window by pulling it from the bottom right corner, then choose a blank one, then left click, then title it wind, then in the open space type /cast defensive wind, then set a key to activate it, then use the f1 key. You can repeat this process for all the spells.]

Bind number 13: who are you?

/say you have now comleted the current quests offered by the temple and you have some options but first you must think about who you are . . . [now that you have done all of this I would like you to consider what type of character you are and how you fit into this world. Are you a Miner? Are you a thief? Do you respect the law, Do you want to vanquish evil? Do you want to perpetuate evil? Are you a ranger or woodsman? Are you a wizard, Are you a priest? Are you a loner? Give all of this some thought, and unless you think you want to be a priest of Laanx, go to Lady Xillix Queen of Fools with your answers] respond when you have something to say, is this agreeable?

Bind number 14: Prayer

/say Forged over the hard hearts of atheists/With the molten metal of the faithful/And skilled the hammer strikes of the soulful/Laanx's book of names hath called for its priests./Tend now to the chaos in the crystal/Let his mighty name ring forth in echoes/And scatter his enemies in death throes/While awaiting converts at each portal/For Laanx highest lord of Yliakum/Hath made a home of this cold lifeless stone/And brought souls from the azure sun. Let none/question the lessons of the crystal's hum./And let us pass in passion the messages/Marked out for us each in Laanx's passages.

Find the binds here and use them in the shortcutcommands.xml document in the options folder under the data folder in the planeshift folder.
http://www.sewersofbabel.com/xillix/downloads/shortcutcommands2.zip

The binds are in the correct format. you just need to change the name of the shortcut to what you like. The binds start at 11 so if your shortcut setup looks different then adjust accoringly. Find the binds here and use them in the shortcutcommands.xml document in the options folder under the data folder in the planeshift folder.  :sorcerer:



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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2006, 06:19:46 am »

I never mentioned the 300 member thing to prove that we were good. I only mentioned that because Phineas said that the opinion of 1 person, Xillix, Was enough to prove the organization was useless.

I showed him we had a plethera of members and that 1 person wasn't going to overrule them all.

So again, the numbers were not to prove we are good but that this organization is Big and that one members opinion isn't that important.



Again with the flawed logic. Lots of members in guilds in an organization do not equal a good organization.


As for the threads, I told you you could find them yourself.

2 words, Reading Comprehension.

I wrote in the previous posts that numbers don't equal a good organization.... DID you even read it phineas?

Again, i'll put it in elementary terms, just for you, 1 person does not overrule the opinon of 300.

About the thread links:
If you choose not to present your evidence, you are the one at fault, not me. I don't wanna go looking for the threads and if you want to prove you are an objectionable person than you will find them yourself. Till such evidence is provided i stick with my opinion that you purposefully dismantle guilds or critique guild structure in a bad way.

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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2006, 06:29:48 am »
How many of those 300 are actively working on this organization, providing their input, even know it exists, etc.? What are their opinions? Did they get dragged into it by their guildleaders, or did they all wave their hands and say yes? Are some of their voices more important than others? Do guildleaders hold more weight in a discussion?

As for the threads, I'll cut you both the further bickering.

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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2006, 06:43:01 am »
Guild leaders represent guilds.

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Crafters ~~~Leader Ganite
Elemental light ~~ The guild i'm in          ~~Leader Idoru
Helpers of Yliakum ~~~Melorek  Organization LEADER
The force wielders  ~~~Flexo
The klyros of Fury  ~~~~Constrabus
The Yliakum Knights ~~ Kazaf
Vespers of Laanx  ~~~Xillix


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"So wait, you're saying that two out of seven guild leaders is not significant?

He said that approximately 29% of the guild leaders (usually the representants of the whole guild's will) are displeased. Did he mentioned that they overruled the opinion of 300 members? He said their opinion was significant. And that is quite true, seeing that these guild leaders should represent their guild.
Two words for you: Calm down.

The only way you could afford to demonstrate how insignificant these guild leaders are, is by having us see how their members actually go around making... peace or whatever.
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Re: [ORGANIZATION] Illustro
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2006, 06:44:27 am »
@ karyuu I am . . . [and how do i get my guild name in your sig?]

@Datruth Let's move to building not defending, what about structure? How can we clearly define the role of this organizzation and make it manifest in the PS world? I just mean i want us to engage the comunity in a proactive way.

If i am too forward in my voice i will move to an arena where I am not considered such :sorcerer: