[IDEA] The Council of Darkness

[zanzibar]

I've been in... [counts]... ten guilds that I can remember, and I'm still not sure I'd be able to successfully lead a guild.

[Sangwa]

I've been in one guild. And it has outlived everyother of its time.

[zanzibar]

I've been in one guild. And it has outlived everyother of its time.

There is at least one guild still around and active which has existed since before the Dark Empire, though in different forms.

[Phinehas]

I've been in one guild. And it has outlived everyother of its time.

There is at least one guild still around and active which has existed since before the Dark Empire, though in different forms.

Prove it.

Again I am not new and I am not in way over my head. I have been the leader of two guilds so far .... look I do not have to explain myself. I have been playing for nearley a year now ... I think I can handle this. "Let's all look at her post count and go by that to see if she is new" .... or maybe just cause of my name and you never seen it in PS. Maybe I don't go by the same name as I do on the fourms ... obviously.

You're a very aggressive sort of person aren't you? You really get quite hot under the collar when criticised. I could exploit this and receive great pleasure, but I'll work on restraining yourself.

I think Zanzi's right, though(isn't that amazing!) just because you've been around for a year doesn't qualify you to be a guild leader. As for being the leader of two guilds so far, I'm assuming that isn't in PS? If not, then you can't really use that as reference, because our standards are higher. 

[tssthorn]

Yep in PS .. and yes I love the pleasure of getting hot headed .... hehe not really .. I just love to debate ... I am very stubborn and will never let somthing go. Also the two guilds ... actaully 3 if you must know ... 1 was the Dark Vigilantes... Dowanger handed me the guild .... Second was the Frosty Dojo ... was great but somthing happend and couldn't lead the guild no more ... and also I am a leader of the Felicitous Fenkis ... Herah and I both lead it, we both have equal say in everything. Flower any one? 
Actaully alot thoult I was a great guild leader as well  . Why not get to know me in PS then decide wether I would be a good guild leader or not.

*couphs* Ummm here you go http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=23521.0 That was the Frosty Dojo .... yep but RL situation made me not able to be a leader of a guild as had no interent for a very long time. At first the arrangemnt was going to be for Alliva to be the leader while i was away but I decided not to as I could have been gone for over a year.

[Phinehas]

So on top of everything else, you now want to lead two guilds? I think I've seen enough, but if you want, add me to your buddy list and get in touch with me in-game. If you manage to impress me there I'll be... impressed.

[Sangwa]

Leading two guilds? That really is some effort. I got my hands full with the Dark Empire.

A great leader? Great leaders shouldn't let guilds die.


Zanzibar I hope you don't mean DeT. DE is around since before I played in Molecular Blue. In Kada's Tavern its joining was marked as some of the early days in 2002's May and our website has news from August 2002. Obviously our guild was not born at the same time it got marked on Kada's, or had a website. So there, it's so old I don't even know its age.

[tssthorn]

Didn't read that beofre ... but I didn't let the guild die .... no one could take it and I did not have the interent and was planning on going to the military if you must know. See everyone thinks im not taking any suggestions ... but i am. Before with the whole demon thing it was a huge misunderstanding .... everyone seems to forget that people see demons differntly then others. But either way I cahnged that ... so please just give me suggestions ... if you would like.  please.    .... Also Phinehas .. this topic has nothing to do with me as a RPer, and you should have never made any comments on that in the first place ... who cares wether i can do it or not ... whole pont of this thread is to get suggestions ... just becuase i do not take some of them does not mean I will not take any.

On topic, I am firmly of the opinion that it takes a very solid and committed leadership to make an evil guild like this work.  There are many traps and many ways for it to not work, and I fail to see how you will avoid them.  My main suggestion to sucess would be to Roleplay 'evil' characters for a while and let the Guild form from that.  Get a feel for it first, and the backstory and Guild will come naturally.  You cant set out to form a guild based on something you havent yet done.

Now that is the type of suggestions im looking for ....and is exactly what i am going to do .... thanks for that suggestions. Best one on here so far!

[Sangwa]

Haha, if you read it carefuly, it is saying you need good leadership and you must be good at roleplaying. It's just a nice way of saying you will have to become a good roleplayer and leader. That was what Phinehas meant when he said he wasn't sure you were any of those.

Suggestions. You like demons? There are demonic-like things in PS too. Laanx has turned into an unkind god, surrounded by twisted forces of lemurs and other strange beings in Kadaikos. Your character could have had some sort of interaction with some of those and felt attracted to them and their hatred towards Hydlaa, the city Talad created. The goal would then be to disrupt the city's wellfare while finding a way through the labyrinths, to reach the Kadaidos.

You would need to keep in mind that your guild members, if easily recognized would be given pursuit by the authorities of hydlaa.

You would get a great background story this way, which would take advantage of the setting. The roleplay action deriving from it would surely be alot more rewarding to everyone in planeshift.

You can aslo check my Guild Creation Guide for some general suggestions in the different steps of guild creation.

[tssthorn]

Haha, if you read it carefuly, it is saying you need good leadership and you must be good at roleplaying. It's just a nice way of saying you will have to become a good roleplayer and leader. That was what Phinehas meant when he said he wasn't sure you were any of those.

Suggestions. You like demons? There are demonic-like things in PS too. Laanx has turned into an unkind god, surrounded by twisted forces of lemurs and other strange beings in Kadaikos. Your character could have had some sort of interaction with some of those and felt attracted to them and their hatred towards Hydlaa, the city Talad created. The goal would then be to disrupt the city's wellfare while finding a way through the labyrinths, to reach the Kadaidos.

You would need to keep in mind that your guild members, if easily recognized would be given pursuit by the authorities of hydlaa.

You would get a great background story this way, which would take advantage of the setting. The roleplay action deriving from it would surely be alot more rewarding to everyone in planeshift.

You can aslo check my Guild Creation Guide for some general suggestions in the different steps of guild creation.

Suriously .. I hate to say it but you and Phinehas are completly wrong ... no one here can tell me I would be a bad guild leader with out actaully knowing me in game. You also need to get over yourself with the whole demon thing .... it was just a description to describe the person in the rank .... not actaully meaning he or she was really a demon. Also I am a good roleplayer. Look I don't need to take this any further ... this is a topic about the idea of this guild ... it's not about me. Also Phinehas if you say one more personal remark about my roleplaying or guild leadership I will just completly ignore you and just skip over your posts.

Look everyone says there has to be some story to why the guild is evil ... but have you ever watched movies? How many movies have you seen with evil people in it actaully go back into the past and explain how that person became evil? Also name a bad guy who actaully completed his goal of world domination? You wan't to know why these are hard to answer? Because no one knows why some people are truley evil, they do not know why they kill ... they do not know what they where trying to accomplish. Take Hittler for example .... why did he kill Jewish people ... just because he hated them .... So no one can tell me I can't choose to be evil ... cause anyone can. I am choosing to be evil in the way I see it in my eyes ..... fine if you don't consider it evil .. well thats your oppinion.

How ever I do like your story idea .... also just remember as I said .. the current story was just a quick write just to show and example. I have also read the Guild Creation guid before ... but thanks anyway.

Also just here is one other thing, Everyone has there own oppinions ... just because i go against some does not mean I am a bad RPer or anything and do not understand how anyone can accuse me of such ... suriously some of you need to grow up. If you don't want your suggestion to be rejected because somone decided they don't like it ... then do not post it. Which this still was not even the case ... it was the same thing with the whole demon thing and no one seemed to understand it's just a name and nothing else. I tryed explaining it but it kept getting mentioned.

Well anyway Thanks Sangwa .... thet is the type of suggestions im lookking for .. not things telling me I can't do this or that. This topic has nothing to do with what i can and cannot do. Many know me in PS so I suggest you get to know me to before you say anything about me in game.

Umm also that suggestion that i said was good is good ... not the first sentence but the main suggestion sentence .... duh ... no I am going to call myself a bad Guild lerder when i already lead a guild *Sarcasm* lol ... See, you want to know who started this whole thing .. that was phinehas takeing one of my posts a little to surious ... I disagree with somthing he says and he complains about it .... I say a good guild leader should stand up for herself and what she thinks is right ... hehe wel in Swivles case  .. he. Anyway back on topic!

[Phinehas]

Suggestions. You like demons? There are demonic-like things in PS too. Laanx has turned into an unkind god, surrounded by twisted forces of lemurs and other strange beings in Kadaikos.

Watch yourself with my race. I don't like being called a demon.

Also Phinehas if you say one more personal remark about my roleplaying or guild leadership I will just completly ignore you and just skip over your posts.

*Phinehas puts one hand to his brow and prepares to be a drama queen.*
Oh gasp! Oh horror! Oh woe is me!
suriously some of you need to grow up.

Coming from you that's rich. After you blow up at Sangwa, who is probably the single most polite person in all of PS I have no respect for anything that you say about other people needing to control their emotions. Show some control over yours and we'll talk. As for my posts, my whole point was that for a guild to be good it has to have a good leader. I don't think you'd make one. After all you've done to try to convince me otherwise, I'm still unconvinced. Just my opinion. Don't get all overheated about it, just prove me wrong.

[Gharan]

Constructive criticism should be welcome not put down 

[bilbous]

Telling people they don't measure up is not constructive. Even if it is true which I don't know enough about those involved to judge.

[zanzibar]

I've been in one guild. And it has outlived everyother of its time.

There is at least one guild still around and active which has existed since before the Dark Empire, though in different forms.

Prove it.

No, that's esoteric knowledge and in-game lore.  It's better to find out such things for a reason or not at all.  As far as your other comment, I am very qualified to be a guild leader.  I've been offered such a position a number of times in fact.  But I've turned it down each time though because it's not who my character is.

[Phinehas]

I've been in one guild. And it has outlived everyother of its time.

There is at least one guild still around and active which has existed since before the Dark Empire, though in different forms.

Prove it.

No, that's esoteric knowledge and in-game lore.  It's better to find out such things for a reason or not at all.

Shoulda known it, some secret guild. Oh well, secrete all you like.

 

As far as your other comment, I am very qualified to be a guild leader.  I've been offered such a position a number of times in fact.  But I've turned it down each time though because it's not who my character is.

It was directed towards Tssthorn.