[IDEA] The Council of Darkness

[tssthorn]

First off quote me where i fliped out ... I never fliped out .... your just imagining things ... must be the way I type ... i said i was stubborn ... I didn't say I was a jerk. Just because i didn't agree to somthing does not mean I am flipping out. Only time I actaully fliped out was when you insulted me cause you compeltly misread what i was trying to say Phinehas. You forget text does not have emotions .. so how do you know if i was flipping out? Why not talk to me on skype and see for yourself? I don't get hotheaded very easy .. somone can call me anything and i don't care .. anyone can criticise me and i just ignore them. Also not going to name any names phinehas .. but I found out some stuff about you ... and I heard you seem to always cause problems.

*Winnry shrugs* You kinda remind me of shal ... except he never insulted me on a personal level.

I just reread every post and I have not said anything bad or did I flip out on sangwa .... Only thing i said to him in this whole topic is that no one can say I am a bad guild leader ... You can also tell I was not flipping out as i even thanked him in the same post  It's like your trying to turn everyone against me by trying to say im flipping out when I am really not. I don't even see how you can get an emotional feel from text ... minda explaining that a bit?

[zanzibar]

Shoulda known it, some secret guild. Oh well, secrete all you like.

Something like that, but not.  I wouldn't worry about it.

It was directed towards Tssthorn.

But you were using a misinterpretation of something I had said.

[Phinehas]

It was directed towards Tssthorn.

But you were using a misinterpretation of something I had said.

I was? Strange. You said that you'd been in ten guilds but still weren't sure you'd make a good guild leader. I used that to point out that simply having been around or having been in guilds doesn't necessarily qualify you to be a good guild leader, as you pointed out. Sorry if I missed something somewhere.

Shoulda known it, some secret guild. Oh well, secrete all you like.

Something like that, but not.  I wouldn't worry about it.

I'm not.

First off quote me where i fliped out ... I never fliped out .... your just imagining things ... must be the way I type ...

I hope so.

Also not going to name any names phinehas .. but I found out some stuff about you ... and I heard you seem to always cause problems.

Is this where I'm supposed to rant and rave against whoever said that thereby proving to you that your suspicions that I'm emotionally and mentally unstable are right, enabling you to ignore everything I've said? Sorry, fact is, I don't really care. Chances are, whoever said it is not someone who knows me well, they just see me criticizing guilds left and right and assume that I'm a jerk. If you asked people who knew me I'm sure you'd get a different story.

I'm going to say something that I want you, and everyone else who reads this thread, to consider. Just because I'm not "nice" about my criticism, doesn't make anything I say less true. Even if I was a jerk, and I don't consider myself one(isn't that a surprise?), most of what I say still holds true. A lot of people don't really understand the difference between constructive criticism and destructive criticism. Constructive is not a synonym for "nice". What I say is not "nice", but it is constructive. There are definite things that I point out that need help, just because I don't say, "And perhaps, if you would be so wonderfully kind as to condescend to listen to my advice, this area of your guild could perhaps maybe use a little help," doesn't mean that it's not constructive or that it doesn't leave the criticised with an idea(if he's looking for it) of what he should do to improve. If I showed up in a thread and said, "You three are morons, and you in the corner, you're a total idiot," then that would be destructive criticism and I would understand the dislike people show for me.

[zanzibar]

Yeah, I guess I'm contradicting myself.

[Phinehas]

Yeah, I guess I'm contradicting myself.

Could I ask for a brief statement of your stance in this discussion, for clarification's sake?

[tssthorn]

Ok I actaully completly agree with you Phinhas on you last post ... but where you not doing the same i just did? You pretty much said if people do not know you .. all they see is you ranting about guilds all the time .... But yet your just really trying to help make the game better ... but yet people judge you very quickly ... but yet you did that to me. I disagreed .. and it porbably is the way I type .. sorry about that ... but I disagreed with some of the suggestions and you said some things like I am probably a bad RPer ... do you see where I am coming from though. I completly understand your type of criticism ... but it's when you go to far and start critisizing the person and not what the topic is about ... that got me fliping out ... actaully also want to point out .. even then I didn't flip out ... I actaully got really upset. Also the whole no social skills type of thing yousaid ... I mean no matter what thoughs are not nice things to say ... and you need to learn to control how you cuntructivly critisize... Course don't have to listen ... just trying to help 

[Phinehas]

The difference between our situations is that I could care less what people call me. The social skills thing, now that I read it over, was not nearly so insultingly stated as you seem to think. I simply said that you need to work on how you say things, as you evidently seem to get the wrong message across.

As for a bad RPer, let me clarify that I mean that not in the sense that you would be bad at staying in character, or acting your character out well, I simply have doubts about your understanding of the deeper concepts of RP such as what is within the settings and what isn't, and what is a good character/guild, etc. etc. etc. I consider all those to be part of the RPer, your ability as an RPer in my opinion is not just the ability to walk around in-game calling everyone "sir" and not the names over their heads. I hope you get my meaning.

[tssthorn]

No actaully .. I do understand that ... I can tell you that your deffently right about that as well. I know I don't know everything about the setting and everything that makes a great guild ... but if you do not ever try you most likly will never learn though.

Also that comment is kinda like the type of comment where somone says somthing about there mothers and they say they are dead. You don't really know anything about my life .. so while it may not be so surious to you .. it can be taken surious by another. That's why I am just saying just be carful what you say ... you never know who it could be or how they may react. Though I do see your point now ... but even though im not into the whole setting type thing ... it still is at least worth to try.

[Phinehas]

There now, see how easy that was to resolve once you stopped freaking out at everything I said.

  That was so evil, I just had to say it. 

[zanzibar]

Yeah, I guess I'm contradicting myself.

Could I ask for a brief statement of your stance in this discussion, for clarification's sake?

If he has an idea for a guild, I think he should go for it and see what happens.  If it takes off, then that's great.

[Phinehas]

Yeah, I guess I'm contradicting myself.

Could I ask for a brief statement of your stance in this discussion, for clarification's sake?

If he has an idea for a guild, I think he should go for it and see what happens.  If it takes off, then that's great.

I take it back. I don't want to know.

Also that comment is kinda like the type of comment where somone says somthing about there mothers and they say they are dead. You don't really know anything about my life .. so while it may not be so surious to you .. it can be taken surious by another. That's why I am just saying just be carful what you say ... you never know who it could be or how they may react.

Frankly, I'm fairly careful about what I say. I mean, according to your argument(and this is exaggeration I realize) if I met a new guy at my job and said, "Hey there, you new?" and they burst into tears and ran off because they'd been trying so hard to not look like a new guy then it would be my fault. I know everyone can't be the same, but I strongly suggest that you ignore what people say if you find it insulting personally. I mean, who cares what they think? Even if someone on this forum told me that I seem like a geek with no friends, girlfriend, or social life in general, I'd ignore it, no matter how close to home that might strike.

[tssthorn]

  Good point Phinehas .. thanks for the advice ... and I really mean that ... very good advice. but we are  . Lol lets get back on topic. I do however beleive i shoud still at least try and start a guild ... I mean it won't hurt no one. Actaully truthfully, I think it will play out a tad bit better thwn you may think 

[Phinehas]

By all means, prove me wrong. I will admit(but don't tell anyone) that my standards are high. In fact, when I started my first guild I probably wouldn't have met my own standards... Just, please, no demons...

[tssthorn]

  Hehe .. no problem ... no demons ... I will also switch the main ummm not sure what to call them yet .. guess the main charecters of the guild to 5 .. the rest of the ranks will be done as any normal guild. I will also change the story around ... to make it go better with the setting of the game ... any other suggestions ... cause i think I maybe forgetting a few things here lol.

[Phinehas]

You might want to repost the new concept so that people can know what they're looking at afresh. It'd be hard to look at the first page and then try and remember what you've already said you changed and what still needs to be changed, etc. etc. etc.