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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2006, 07:31:32 am »

Fine daehaz, have it your way, next time we're in game, we'll meet up in the DR, and have a best of 5 Duel.

Better start training now.

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Datruth,

Considering someone bested you with nothing but magic, I can easily guess the outcome. I know Daehaz, and have dueled with him dozens of times. He is no beginner, is skilled in both magic and weapons, and would never be defeated by magic alone.

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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2006, 07:33:15 am »
I misread one of your previous posts - you said that you don't want to train it to the max.

The "player rules" you seem to hold dear aren't even agreed upon by the players, however. We have yet to see one person in this thread besides you who thinks that you should warn your opponent that you're going to use magic before actually using it.

As for your other comment:

Magic can be beat, if you know it's coming and you have a plan. Surprise magic is harder but still possible, just very rare.

A magic duel v.s a Weapon, Magic always wins, no contest, Why, because you can shoot from far away and kill in 5 hits.
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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2006, 07:35:23 am »
Magic can be beat, if you know it's coming and you have a plan. Surprise magic is harder but still possible, just very rare.

*sigh* I think you're taking this a bit too personal when it's not and in doing so you are being stubborn. You can't beat someone using magic? You need practice. That's all. I can't run 10k but if I practice I will. No point in claiming it is impossible just because you can't do it.

WHEN did i ever claim it was impossible, please show me that quote, i never said it was impossible. What's with this chain of ignorance here. Did you even read the previous posts?

And i'm sure i can take you down Daehaz, so next time i see you we'll do a little less talking and a little more fighting.

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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2006, 07:36:53 am »
Chain of ignorance? You're forgetting what you yourself posted now ;P
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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2006, 07:39:57 am »

Fine daehaz, have it your way, next time we're in game, we'll meet up in the DR, and have a best of 5 Duel.

Better start training now.

~~Datruth

Datruth,

Considering someone bested you with nothing but magic, I can easily guess the outcome. I know Daehaz, and have dueled with him dozens of times. He is no beginner, is skilled in both magic and weapons, and would never be defeated by magic alone.

-Drahlian

Noone bested me with magic, i won that duel.

And you should watch your statements, You just stated Daehaz could never be defeated by magic alone. We could put that to the test.

I hope he wouldn't mind me getting a fellow mage of mine and having him face him 10 times. I can guarentee you a majority of those wins will be made by my friend.

And as far as me and daehaz, we all can blow off steam all we want. I'm better, your better, he's better. They are all words.

My pinky has more DP and more experience than his whole body ever will. This will be proven when we meet for the best of 5 dueling match.

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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2006, 07:40:51 am »
ME I really don't get you at all Datruth .... you say when you started dueling he ran ... all races run at the same speed .... so why not run after him as soon as he started running .. instead of letting him get far from you? I also know that if somone begins to run I either run backwards ao they are compellty out of range or I switch to arrows and shoot them down .... or I run after them to where they have no time to cast a spell. I have been playing for nearley a year now and have only lost to magic when I was new .... somone using magic is very easy to beat.

Also no matter what a dual is free for all ... unless specified before the duel. That means it was free for all before he even used magic. If you didn't want to have magic involved then you should have specified it, not him.

Also as stated before magic is no where neer like potions .... magic take a very long time to train whee a potion can be bought in a matter of seconds. Also in all RP sense ... he is not a mind reader and knows you didn't want magic involved. Everyone has there own skills .... his skills where magic .... you decided to duel a mage so it's your fault. Do not duel unless you know what your up against.

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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2006, 07:51:50 am »
*Sighs again* The point is that magic is not "rarely beaten" by steel but rather the opposite. Why? Because all you need to is one lucky strike with a good blade and the duel's over whereas the caster requires 5 or more arrows to win, each requiring some time to cast and limiting their movement, making them an easier target and giving you more chances to try. You can't do it, then keep practicing. Again, I think you're taking this personal when it is not.

EDIT: Datruth, I never said I was better than you. Blow off steam? I'm trying to explain a simple fact of dueling here but you're taking it the wrong way. And don't worry. I'll approach you in-game when i have the chance to illustrate my point (and with that objective only). You say you're better than me? Fine, you are. Big time! Here, a flower for your brave pinkie toe :flowers: (well, if the DP in it leave any room).
« Last Edit: October 09, 2006, 07:56:22 am by daehaz »

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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2006, 08:10:35 am »


Yes, in case you're wondering Datruth I do duel a lot. Do you? Looks like you don't have much experience in dueling with magic either.
There you go, Whack 101. Now, you would know this if you dueled more but that's not the point. Using potions, be it 1 or 100 is not honorable (especially if you can one hit-kill and your opponent can't).
Looks like you need a demonstration. Fine, add me to your buddy list. See you in game.
EDIT: Datruth, I never said I was better than you. Blow off steam? I'm trying to explain a simple fact of dueling here but you're taking it the wrong way. And don't worry. I'll approach you in-game when i have the chance to illustrate my point (and with that objective only). You say you're better than me? Fine, you are. Big time! Here, a flower for your brave pinkie toe :flowers: (well, if the DP in it leave any room).

You clearly say you have more experience than me in dueling and you are clearly agressive. And then you say that you never said you were better than me?

Too late to play the high ground now, leave that up to the politicians.

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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2006, 10:03:23 am »
Now, let's get a few facts straight.
Does Datruth have an inability to move sideways as he his running? Surely for this reason, his enemy could not have walked away to the side.
Is Datruth now just threatening to duel Daehaz (no rules) and started this post wanting "more even duels"
Magic is just as honourable as melee, I agree with tssthorn. Rant over.

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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #39 on: October 09, 2006, 10:19:06 am »
I see 4 faults here.

1) As the issuer of the initial request to duel, it was Datruth's fault for not not stating what type of duel it was to be before sending the request. (If it would have been to me, I would have denied it right away simply for that reason.  the whole point of the request to duel and trade stuff is that you should ask in character before sending the request.)  As such, a "free for all" type duel is default, which Datruth should have realised.  Fault one is that Datruth did not realise this.  As it has been stated, don't request to duel unless you know what you're getting into.  Getting upset about the oponents tactics in said duel when no defined rules have been paved out, only makes you yourself look bad.

And this doesn't even take into the account of what happens if you were to duel a dishonset character that would agree to the terms of a duel and then simply ignore said rules once the duel began.  It would all be in character, as long as that is the type of character they play.  Dishonest characters don't have to follow the rules they agree to.  That's why they are dishonest.

2) The fault by him was when he got mad at Dutruth for using a potion.  A free for all is a free for all.  Using a game mechanic is just that.  As it stands right now, that means you can chug 100s of potions with a push of a button.  It won't be like that forever.  Use the game as it is, adjust strategies when things change.  Come into the forums and state how things are now, and how you would like them changed for the future.  Then wait until things change and use the current system as it was designed to be used.

3) When the magic user ran away, Datruth did not run after them.  They assumed something about the magic user.  There is a wise saying about assuming things.  Since it has a bad word in it so to speak, I won't mention it here.  Point being, when you assume things, you run the risk of things happening you hadn't planned on.  Then you must learn to deal with those unexpected happenings.  Much of a man's character can be revieled by the way the handle unexpected events.

4) And finally.  This is a freaking game! Why do people get so worked up over something so pointless? Oh darn, your DP might have gone down if you had lost.  Guess what? DP are meaningless.  32 bytes of data on a server database.  They won't buy you an all expense paid trip to the Carribean, nor a ticket to the international space station, nor even a loaf of bread at the store.  They have no meaning.  They are just another number.  They aren't even used for anything in game.  Getting worked up over a game is the biggest fault of them all.  Roll with the punches, react to what gets thrown in your face, and try to overcome the obstacle.  Don't go to a forum and shout how you felt your duel with "sir random player guy" didn't go as planned and then declare that there are rules to how all duels must be done and you are the duel king and thus your rules are absolute.  (That was my impression you were giving off after I read your first post.)

This question has been asked before in this thread and numerous ones before it: Why is it that people must automatically cry DUEL! just becuase some random joe called them a name.  "Sticks and stones make break my bones, but words may never hurt me" anyone?

Disclaimer: if it sounds like I'm trying to state my points of view as law, it is not meant that way.  The above is simply my interpretations of what has been said and these words are simply my view point on the whole subject at hand.  Nothing more.

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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2006, 10:49:54 am »
neko kyouran made a great point.

I am overworking this and he wasn't totally at fault. I should have stipulated no Magic.
I shouldn't have been in the duel in the first place, so what if he called me a coward and was rude.
It seems a grain of sand was made into an anthill.

What i do want to say in my defense is that i do not deserve the blame, the only thing i can be blamed for is not stipulating the rules at the beginning which is both our faults.
I'll make sure no more free for all's take place from now on.

This seems like a good way to end the thread and thanks to neko kyouran we seemed to get everything into perspective.

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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2006, 12:01:42 pm »
not my standards...

i don't want to read through three pages... but if someone asks me to i'll gladly do it in hope of something interesting can come up and bulge my point of view a bit.

Magic is NOT cheap and is NOT cheating, it's finally back into duels.

What i think though is that potions (five in a second) which will heal you instantly while saying you are using potions as a warrior... it will be a bit unincharacter like, as no one (nongodmodders) are able to drink 5 potions in a second

also datruth... this is an unnescesary rant in the topicstart... sorry but that's what i think...

if you want to talk about this, come onto msn really late :)... i'll gladly do it

oh and @drahlian:, takes less than 6 seconds to cast energy arrow ;), the "loader" or what you can call it, the glowing circle which comes up when you start the spell has just disappeared when the arrow is cast.

edit: my bad... should'ave looked at datruth's last post >.< *hits self*
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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2006, 02:10:58 pm »
Well i think you had more than enough right to use potions and bah to you for finally killing me last night apart from the three times you were struck down afterward  ;D

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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2006, 02:48:43 pm »
Well i think you had more than enough right to use potions and bah to you for finally killing me last night apart from the three times you were struck down afterward  ;D

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Re: Dueling Etiquette
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2006, 05:12:42 pm »
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what?