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[Phinehas]

I was under the impression that we were talking about people who were somewhat well-known for their ability to roleplay.

You're welcome to reread the thread if you got lost somewhere along the way.

Sorry, I phrased that poorly. What I'm saying is, it's my understanding that the popularity involved would obviously include a good deal of RP ability and being known for that, not just someone who hangs around the forum a lot.

I think character familiarity is the main key to who gets away with what.

My main character is extremely well known and I get away with almost nothing.

Hmmm... Shalmaneser, correct?

[zanzibar]

I think character familiarity is the main key to who gets away with what.

My main character is extremely well known and I get away with almost nothing.

I'm not sure I agree with the last part of that. It seems to me from what I've read and what little I've seen, that you are constantly pushing the barriers and that through your efforts the barriers are wider that they otherwise have been. This may be a faulty impression however. It is not neccessarily a bad thing to push boundaries but you have to expect they will push back.

Just to be clear I think "getting away with something" entails GM's letting something slide and not just clique disagreement. I don't think the GM's allow too much of importance to slide but it is more difficult to give someone the benefit of the doubt more often than not. So if there are a lot of complaints about someone over the course of time they are more likely to be expected to know better due to their repeated contact with the GM team.

If you feel that this is unrealistic feel free to discount it.

What boundaries have I pushed, exactly?

[Capprion]

i just wana know why any time a new person - or a popular person kills somone in the plaza everythings all good
but you get somone other then those selected few doing it and you will get 30 tells a bunch of whackos telling you and them where not to kill altho if it werent meant to be able to happen there would be a boundry im thinking
 like a Harn. you cant kill him.  if its so bad to kill in the plaza then why not have a msg and a restriction on players also

and iv noticed. if its a RP been going on for like a week and somone gets killed thats ok. but 2 people having a confrontation or something kills one another its not?  does time and popularity make things right or wrong? 


is anyone in real life going to meet somone they want to stab and tell that person to go to a certain location so that he can actually do it? and then get away with it because he is well-known-liked-popular.... well ok sometimes

[Peacer]

You aren't allowed by an ooc rule to kill people in the plaza using game mechanics because it lags the map even more than it is already.

but if someone does my character will ask why.

[Nikodemus]

i just wana know why any time a new person - or a popular person kills somone in the plaza everythings all good
but you get somone other then those selected few doing it and you will get 30 tells a bunch of whackos telling you and them where not to kill altho if it werent meant to be able to happen there would be a boundry im thinking
 like a Harn. you cant kill him.  if its so bad to kill in the plaza then why not have a msg and a restriction on players also

and iv noticed. if its a RP been going on for like a week and somone gets killed thats ok. but 2 people having a confrontation or something kills one another its not?  does time and popularity make things right or wrong? 


is anyone in real life going to meet somone they want to stab and tell that person to go to a certain location so that he can actually do it? and then get away with it because he is well-known-liked-popular.... well ok sometimes

Because on plaza there is not enough people, patient enough to repeat over and over again to idiots, that what they do isn't RP, because they don't want to follow consequences of their acts. Its just if there is an idiot in PS, you will find him on the plaza. In effect, there are far too many idiots there to keep some order, yet ;P

You aren't allowed by an ooc rule to kill people in the plaza using game mechanics because it lags the map even more than it is already.

You know, playing PS should be forbidden because it cause lag ;P I know its not your rule, but its idiotic

[Capprion]

i meant to include that i have killed people in the plaza. and got griped to about it anmd often by these " special " people  who have just killed 4-5 people in the plaza themself during RP

[bilbous]

What boundaries have I pushed, exactly?

You would know better than I. What exactly does "I get away with almost nothing." refer to?
Does this mean that you try to get away with stuff? Is not that pushing the boundaries?
Or are you just unjustly accused of things, every time?
Let me try to be clear. I am not accusing you of any bad behaviour but it remains that you have been at odds with some members of the community here on the forums (I don't mean anything between you and I which was pretty much nothing) and perhaps ingame. I am just saying you have been here a long time and had some dust-ups during that time. Is that inaccurate?

I wasn't trying to start an argument with you. I should perhaps have let you "get away with" what you said.  Perhaps this is what you meant, that people challenge your assertions the same as you challenge theirs.

[zanzibar]

What boundaries have I pushed, exactly?

You would know better than I. What exactly does "I get away with almost nothing." refer to?
Does this mean that you try to get away with stuff? Is not that pushing the boundaries?
Or are you just unjustly accused of things, every time?
Let me try to be clear. I am not accusing you of any bad behaviour but it remains that you have been at odds with some members of the community here on the forums (I don't mean anything between you and I which was pretty much nothing) and perhaps ingame. I am just saying you have been here a long time and had some dust-ups during that time. Is that inaccurate?

I wasn't trying to start an argument with you. I should perhaps have let you "get away with" what you said.  Perhaps this is what you meant, that people challenge your assertions the same as you challenge theirs.

Is that a long way of saying you can't answer my question?

[Karyuu]

I think he's just trying to avoid getting into an argument over something that wouldn't be aiding the thread.

[zanzibar]

I think he's just trying to avoid getting into an argument over something that wouldn't be aiding the thread.

He said I push boundaries, then when I asked him which ones, he gave a 150 word response that doesn't answer my question.  I think I'm entitled to an answer so long as his statement remains.

[bilbous]

Okey-doke.

Kayuu makes a post implying that the topic is best left alone, you reply essentially "I insist"

[zanzibar]

Okey-doke.

Kayuu makes a post implying that the topic is best left alone, you reply essentially "I insist"

If your comment remains, then I would like to know what exactly it's insinuating.  I really don't think I'm being unfair here, given that you were the one who made the comment.

[bilbous]

ok then pushing boundaries.
Moderators sometime post to contribute to the topic at hand when they feel they have something to contribute. Other times the post to indicate when threads are starting to wander off into undesirable territory. Finally they also post to end discussions that are clearly outside the rules. I believe that Karyuus most recent post was of the second kind and that if this continues much longer her next will be of the third kind.

If you want a previous example of pushing the boundaries think of the exchanges concerning the challenge spam rules.

I have no more to say on the subject and if the moderators choose to remove this exchange that is their perogative.

[zanzibar]

DUDE.  You made an irritating comment.  Then when I ask you what you meant by it, you criticize me for going off topic?  It's your comment!


To answer YOUR question, the truth is that I don't push boundaries very much.  I stay in the rules.  Yet, if I say something random in the plaza, I end up with slews of posts in the forum and private messages in reaction to it, along with all sorts of accusations about my intentions.  That's what I meant when I said that I don't get away with anything.  So what was it that you were thinking of?

[Parallo]

My god, what is the big deal? I thought that was a compliment.You push things by questioning why they're wrong or against the rules causing people to actualy rethink them. Like dueling: I think it was you that was involved in an argument about that a while back and you questioned what was wrong in your particular case and it broght 'the right way to duel' (If such a thing exists) into the spotlight while all the people before just went along with what others were saying not giving any thought to the matter.