POLICE brutality at UCLA, STUN a student who is HANDCUFFED!!!

[Shangreloo]

HMMMM, I wonder what would have happened had he refused to hand over the cash until a ticket was written.

Considering that he was alone with a cop who had a weapon, who had just had him take every single thing out of his car, who could have arrested him on just about any trumped up charge, I don't think he felt was in any position to argue with the cop really.

As zanzibar said, the cop would beat probably have beaten boyfriend half to death then claimed that boyfriend attacked him. And yes, anyother sane alternative would have involved attorney fees, unpaid time off work, etc.

Corrected per comment below.

[zanzibar]

As Xordan said, the cop would beat probably have beaten boyfriend half to death then claimed that boyfriend attacked him. And yes, anyother sane alternative would have involved attorney fees, unpaid time off work, etc.

I said that, actually.

[Akaye]

@zorbels:  Kalika said that my behaviour is akin to going around burning Bibles and insulting people in their places of worship.  I'd say that's a pretty vicious insult to make.

Or you are being overly dramatic about it. I don't think she meant it in the way you think. I do beleive it was an example to defend her post, not comparing you personally to burning bibles and such.

If you can't handle people disagreeing with you, then the internet isn't for you.  Period.

Whether you can take disagreeing or not has nothing to do with playing with the internet. Period. I for the record can actually handle that people have different points of views.

Do I insult people personally as a matter of course?  No, though I see a lot of other people doing it.

Yes in a cleaver indirect way at times you do. I see you doing it all the time.

Do I defend my opinions on things? Yes, as does everybody else.

Yes, but we established this already, at least my point of view on it. I believe I put in my last post "you are relentless when you feel your right". So defend away but sometimes I think you take it further than it should go.

If I feel that I've been unfairly and personally insulted, will I point it out?  In many situations yes, and it would be unfair to expect me not to.

I know because you seem to be insulted quite easily. I think you are possibly the easiest to insult on the forums Zanzibar. It doesn't take much, as Phinehas said in another thread .... you are predictable.

And no.  Don't post back saying that everybody agrees with you.  If you sincerely believe that, then you have problems.

Now this is just grasping at straws to egg me on. I don't need everyone to agree with me nor am I ignorant enough to think that everyone does. This is my own opinoin Zanzibar and it is formed from what I hear from others and see/hear from you.

As far as people posting in the threads I contribute to, the reason a person will stay away is for lack of interest.  Honestly, all you have to do is look at my post count and you'll see the proof that people are willing to have discussions with me.  It's easy as long as long as you're respectful.

This is why your post count is high, posting meaningless one liners .....

Click here to view one liner

and ....

Phinehas and his opinion [HIS OPINION not everyone's in the thread]: I celebrate Christmas for what it truly is, the celebration of the birth of the Son of God on Earth.

It doesn't take a genuis to see this is his belief. For some reason you feel the need to argue with him about this when it isn't even the topic of the thread [the Christmas shopping thread] .....

"No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on.

Was it really nessassery to have to bring that up in a thread about holiday cheer? That is why your post count is high. There are tons upon tons of these examples scattered through out the forums.
 

[zanzibar]

Or you are being overly dramatic about it.

Or maybe I just expected better from her.  She wrote what she wrote, and I don't see any possible way to read it as anything but a vicious comment directed at me personally.  I don't think there's anything more about that particular event to discuss though, so perhaps for everyone's sake we should let it drop?  It won't change the way I feel about what she said, but I don't think we'll get anywhere by discussing it the way we are.

I know because you seem to be insulted quite easily. I think you are possibly the easiest to insult on the forums Zanzibar. It doesn't take much, as Phinehas said in another thread .... you are predictable.

People do actually insult me here more often than they insult other people - it's not that I feel insulted more easily.  If it gives the appearance that I take offense at the drop of a hat, then I think you need to take a step back and look at things again.  Now, there are a few reasons for it so you're right in saying there's a predictable pattern.  There's a precident for insulting me and I'm more active and aggressive than other members.  I've also unapologetically butted heads with various regulars.  It adds up - I put myself in risky positions, and a bit of a culture has formed around it.  However, that's very different from saying that I take offense easily, and I do not agree with the suggestion that I take offense easily.

I will point out how someone has attempted to insult me in certain discussions - but it's not because I feel hurt.  It's because I think that personal attacks degrade the quality of the thread.  That's probably another factor in why you have the impression that you do.

This is why your post count is high, posting meaningless one liners ..... (link)

Uh, what?  http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=26605.msg299733#msg299733

Phinehas and his opinion [HIS OPINION not everyone's in the thread]: I celebrate Christmas for what it truly is, the celebration of the birth of the Son of God on Earth.

Yes, but Phinehas stated his opinion as "the true meaning of Christmas".  My sensibilities were upset by that, because it meant that what Christmas means to me is actually a lie.

[Akaye]

It won't change the way I feel about what she said, but I don't think we'll get anywhere by discussing it the way we are.

Your right. You having an answer for everything but no suggestions on how to fix it isn't going to get us anywhere. Anyway I said my peace and I am fine with what I think about the situation. I see it how I see it no matter how many pretty words you add it will not change that I see you starting conflict when it doesn't have to be there.

[Idoru]

* Idoru throws a bucket of water over you all to put out the flames   

[zanzibar]

It won't change the way I feel about what she said, but I don't think we'll get anywhere by discussing it the way we are.

Your right. You having an answer for everything but no suggestions on how to fix it isn't going to get us anywhere. Anyway I said my peace and I am fine with what I think about the situation. I see it how I see it no matter how many pretty words you add it will not change that I see you starting conflict when it doesn't have to be there.

I don't think it's fair of you to accuse me of starting it, and I don't think it's fair of you to say that the conflict exists because I haven't prescribed a solution.  I won't argue it with you, but I will point at posts I've already made.  You've already responded to them so I hope there isn't need to respond to them again.

(link 1)
(link 2)

[Akaye]

Oh look this is me walking away from this conversation even though he is so desperately trying to keep me involved in it. Sorry Zanzibar I have wasted enough of my time. Your just going to pick and pick and well do what you do best and that's have conflict.

Thanks Idoru it worked for me, I am FREE! Conflict FREE! -------------=========zoomz


{Edit} If you see the truth as petty then so be it. Stop putting words in my mouth please. I never said you started it. Hence the "your being desprate in trying to keep this going" because you know I didn't say that either. I did however say that you start conflict out of the smallest little phrases, words, topics ... etc. Your sure love to keep conflict going though don't you as we can see right in this very thread. Is that any away to make it better?

[zanzibar]

I'm not trying to keep you involved.  You, however, keep making little petty statements  - You've said that I'm desperate, that I'm picking and picking at your posts, how conflict is what I do best, that I'm easily insulted, that I have 'an answer for everything', how I hide behind pretty words, you said I 'started it', that I don't have a way to fix things....

Is this your way of trying to make things better?

[Karyuu]

Thread warning #2. You guys are making this thread a bit of a mess, although I understand the need to keep replying over and over.

Stick to the topic. No more "she-said-he-said-about-me" please.

[Kalika]

If it happened in the UK, I'd risk the beating, although it's unlikely to happen. In the US, they're armed with tazers and guns and other weaponry. Not worth the risk. Just a thought, but maybe the fact that cops are armed so heavily in the US is why there's so much abuse?

You wouldn't do it in Alabama.  The cop would beat you half to death then claim that you attacked him.  I'm not sure what the right thing to do would be in that situation except to pay the bribe.  Any sane alternative would involve hefty lawyer fees.

thats how i feel about guns. you make em and sell them adn someone is gonna mess up and get shot. no one would get shot if there were no guns

but i understand this is an idealistic perspective so meh

edit-oh and sorry to you too karyuu, i feel kinda like a hypocrite advocating peace and goodwill adn then i just kinda helped complicate things isntead :/

Kalika huggles Akaye for bein calmer than she is

[Datruth]

Thread warning #2. You guys are making this thread a bit of a mess, although I understand the need to keep replying over and over.

Stick to the topic. No more "she-said-he-said-about-me" please.

I personally want to thank Karyuu for keeping this thread open, if i were to wager a guess, i'd say it would have been locked a while ago.

I don't know why, but it seems she is being very nice to us all (me especially), and i'd like to thank that gesture of kindness.

And i hope that if this thread does get out of line again, those posts can be deleted, and the thread can be allowed to stay alive, so as not to let one or 2 people, ruin the tragedy that has happened here.

Thank you again Karyuu  

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As for the Thread, I just wanna know one thing.

WHY DON'T COPS LOAD GUNS WITH RUBBER BULLETS?!

Can someone please explain to me why Police in America.... of all police lol .... have guns fillled with real bullets?

Why can't we just use Rubber bullets all the time?

Wouldn't that save thousands of innocent Lives, who were taken by accident?

I mean what's the downside?

~~Datruth

[bilbous]

Rubber Bullets Don't Get Rubber Stamp
LONDON, May 24, 2002
More than just a riot deterrent. (AP)
(AP) Some types of rubber bullets used by police to restrain unruly protesters kill and maim too often to be considered a safe method of crowd control, new research concludes.

CBS

[Karyuu]

[...] so as not to let one or 2 people, ruin the tragedy that has happened here.

I find that phrasing quite hilarious.

[Datruth]

Rubber Bullets Don't Get Rubber Stamp
LONDON, May 24, 2002
More than just a riot deterrent. (AP)
(AP) Some types of rubber bullets used by police to restrain unruly protesters kill and maim too often to be considered a safe method of crowd control, new research concludes.

CBS

Thank you soo much Bilbous for that Link.

I read the Article and Basically it says Rubber bullets are actually less safe than you would think, causing deaths as well.

I also read in the Article though, the Kind of Plastic Bullets that Northern Ireland uses is very safe:

“They've been used 166 times in Northern Ireland, twice in mainland Britain, and there have been no deaths associated with the use of those,”

Why not then use those? I'm just looking for a good Alternative to Guns, Tasers, and now rubber bullets.

These Plastic ones are probably the Key.

~~Datruth