POLICE brutality at UCLA, STUN a student who is HANDCUFFED!!!

[LARAGORN]

All cops should take a course from Croc Dundee, He was able to stop a 1000lb animal with his finger mind thingy
That is about the only non leathal weapon I can think of.

[Datruth]

Also, what's wrong with learning Kung fu, Tae kwon do, or Ju jitsu?

If you can take down a guy without having to shoot them, why not.

And someone Please teach me the Kiss of the Dragon, that move is awesome lol.

* Datruth takes out my toothpick

~~Datruth

[LARAGORN]

Also, what's wrong with learning Kung fu, Tae kwon do, or Ju jitsu?

If you can take down a guy without having to shoot them, why not.

And someone Please teach me the Kiss of the Dragon, that move is awesome lol.

* Datruth takes out my toothpick

~~Datruth

Dont forget the vulcan death grip


Edit: to add

Another Taser investigation underway in Vancouver Canada.
A man was ejected from a courthouse, once outside police tasered him repetedly and brought him back in. He was released 4 hours later.

I just saw this on CTV Newsnet.

When I find links I will post them.

Edit: To add



Here are more Taser related articles from Canada;
Mother questions Taser use on son A mother from Prince Edward Island says she doesn't want an apology from Vancouver Police following the recent death of her son after he was shot with a Taser.
No charges in Bagnell death This year alone, 66 people, including four Canadians, have died after being Tasered.
Dead mans family sues
Better Taser training needed, says B.C. report
Is a Taser enough force?” (Part 2)
N.B. police probe Taser death
Taser FAQs
Human rights group condemns use of Taser on teen
Judge condemns Edmonton officer who used Taser on teen
Victim's wife, daughter testify at Taser inquest The widow of a 41-year-old Surrey man who died in RCMP custody last year said officers did nothing to try to calm her husband down before using a Taser gun on him.

I understand this is a lot to read, but it gives a much better understanding of the whole 'taser' issue world wide. Media coverage is most often a misrepresentation of the true facts (in regard to Taser usage). In one article, the media stated that in 2005 after a man died from a taser stun, that it was the first death linked to the use of tasers.

[Datruth]

That's a Great Post Laragorn,

Basically, IF YOU are still a skeptic about tasers, Laragorn has given you all the info you need to be wary of them.

Tasers kill, the fact is plane and simple, they cannot be used as effective Non lethal Devices by Cops, because in essence they are Lethal.

I recommend the Plastic Bullets Used by Ireland, They are non lethal, and an effective means of control.

~~Datruth

[Parallo]

First I've heard of plastic bullets. There is no way that they're a regularly used thing here. No way. Just batons.

[Datruth]

First I've heard of plastic bullets. There is no way that they're a regularly used thing here. No way. Just batons.

I also read in the Article though, the Kind of Plastic Bullets that Northern Ireland uses is very safe:

“They've been used 166 times in Northern Ireland, twice in mainland Britain, and there have been no deaths associated with the use of those,”

I never said they were regularly used, I noted they were used 166 times there, and not a single death occured, all this was discussed last page.

I think they would make the great alternative we all need. Batons don't have range, although are non lethal for the most part.

Here in America though, Cops carry: Guns, Pepper Spray, Tasers(occasionally), Handcuffs, bullets, a whole mess of stuff.

And yes, they do shoot to kill lol

~~Datruth

[Idoru]

Plastic bullet were used during the 'troubles' in Northern Ireland. They do still kill. if you get hit in the head or neck I have no doubt that they would kill someone.

From 1973 to 1981, over 42,000 plastic bullets were fired in Northern Ireland. Fourteen people were killed by plastic bullet impacts, including nine children. Most of the deaths were allegedly caused by the British security services misusing the weapon, firing at close range and at chest or head level rather than targeting below the waist.

Wiki Link

As with other 'non-lethal' weapons, if misused they still kill.

List of deaths from plastic bullets

Some background on usage

[Datruth]

Plastic bullet were used during the 'troubles' in Northern Ireland. They do still kill. if you get hit in the head or neck I have no doubt that they would kill someone.

From 1973 to 1981, over 42,000 plastic bullets were fired in Northern Ireland. Fourteen people were killed by plastic bullet impacts, including nine children. Most of the deaths were allegedly caused by the British security services misusing the weapon, firing at close range and at chest or head level rather than targeting below the waist.

Wiki Link

As with other 'non-lethal' weapons, if misused they still kill.

List of deaths from plastic bullets

Some background on usage

Idoru, now look what you have done

I have to find another alternative now lol
This is very hard work, how do you scare someone into submission, with a weapon that hurts but rarely kills.

.....I need help !!!

Anyone else got any ides, No tasers, No Guns, No Rubber bullets.
Plastic bullets are still o.k though... we will look for an alternative though lol

Interesting Article to read
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,55337,00.html

"It is a tough stretch to envision a scenario for the non-lethal application of a nuclear bomb, yet we and the Soviets fought the Cold War almost entirely with nuclear weapons. And, at least after the long-term effects of exposure to radiation were understood and taken into account in testing, we never killed a soul," the panel member said.

"All those latter-day nuclear bomb tests weren't really tests -- the science was proven. They were the strategic use of the most deadly weapons ever invented to impress and give pause to a sworn enemy who might be considering an attack.

"The amazing thing was it worked brilliantly. Nuclear deterrence was the most successful enforcer of peace between superpowers in the history of mankind."

~~Datruth

[Parallo]

I missed that last few pages. Sorry. It was just the mention of Ireland in your post I noticed. I figured that you ment that plastic bullets were used througout Ireland... Bullets are just a bad idea. They originaly designed to kill people.

[LARAGORN]

Interesting Article to read
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,55337,00.html

"It is a tough stretch to envision a scenario for the non-lethal application of a nuclear bomb, yet we and the Soviets fought the Cold War almost entirely with nuclear weapons. And, at least after the long-term effects of exposure to radiation were understood and taken into account in testing, we never killed a soul," the panel member said.

"All those latter-day nuclear bomb tests weren't really tests -- the science was proven. They were the strategic use of the most deadly weapons ever invented to impress and give pause to a sworn enemy who might be considering an attack.

"The amazing thing was it worked brilliantly. Nuclear deterrence was the most successful enforcer of peace between superpowers in the history of mankind."

~~Datruth

Yeah right, never killed a soul
Just a little thought to ponder... atmospheric nuclear tests ?  Where has all the nuclear radiation gone ?  Is a couple hundred years of nuclear radiation in our atmosphere going to harm no one ?

[Idoru]

That probably refers to people killed in the direct blast of the weapons.

Aswell as those who will have contracted cancer and other genetic disorders due to fallout, there are those who will have died as a result of being involved in the manufacture and maintenance of the weapons.

[Datruth]

That probably refers to people killed in the direct blast of the weapons.

Aswell as those who will have contracted cancer and other genetic disorders due to fallout, there are those who will have died as a result of being involved in the manufacture and maintenance of the weapons.

Yea, it doesn't mean actual deaths, it means Direct Deaths as a result.

I think we handled the cold war well, and i liked the way the article portrayed it.

Did anyone else read it?

~~Datruth