POLICE brutality at UCLA, STUN a student who is HANDCUFFED!!!

[bilbous]

166 uses is not a great sample size. I'd say that the jury is still out on them.

 Even bean-bag guns have caused deaths.

[Datruth]

166 uses is not a great sample size. I'd say that the jury is still out on them.

 Even bean-bag guns have caused deaths.

I agree with you... it doesn't make it the difinitive answer.....

But i'm kind of desperate here, What do we have currently that's non lethal, yet powerfull enough to stop attacks?
Is there anything you would suggest Bilbous, that maybe you've heard of?

I mean my friend suggested mace, but i said that mace is no good at long range, so we need to take into account that this weapon will need to have a good range on it.

What about those Police Batons? Throw them for range lol

~~Datruth

[bilbous]

Nothing I know of. Proper training and oversight would help.

[Kalika]

But i'm kind of desperate here, What do we have currently that's non lethal, yet powerfull enough to stop attacks?

how about a whole lotta 

[Datruth]

But i'm kind of desperate here, What do we have currently that's non lethal, yet powerfull enough to stop attacks?

how about a whole lotta 

Lol If only your would stop the badguys dead in their tracks with thier stolen merchandise.

Rather it stops the good ones
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And yea bilbous, oversight would fix alot of these problems, but who oversees the overseers, it seems that right now, the Higher ups are the ones who are currupt, and they are the ones who need the oversight.

Anyone else got any ideas?

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Think i found one, check this out guys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_range_acoustic_device

Tell me what you think.

Oh and <3 Kalika lol

~~Datruth

[zanzibar]

The problems start with the police, not the tools.  If a bad police officer wants to mess somebody up, they're going to do it one way or another.

[Datruth]

The problems start with the police, not the tools.  If a bad police officer wants to mess somebody up, they're going to do it one way or another.

We can't give them the tools to Kill someone and BLAME The weapon.
Officers, with their hands alone, will be responsible for the kill.
But if they use a weapon, they'll say, UH OH , it was the weapons fault, not mine.


NO excuses, i want none, We give them a weapon that CANNOT kill so if there is a death, IT'S ON THEIR HANDS!!

To take a life is a bad thing.

To take a life and have no justice, is inconcievable.

To those Cops who think Guns can shield thier evil ways, we give a message today, We will remove all excuses and expose the dirty cops for what they truly are, Filth.

~~Datruth

[Karyuu]

There is no such thing as a weapon that does not kill.

[zanzibar]

If an officer decides to handle a situation with the use of force, then that's the deciding factor in my book.

[Datruth]

There is no such thing as a weapon that does not kill.

Yet there are weapons, which when used, can be deteremined to Kill if Used Excessivly.

For example, A Baton WILL NEVER kill a Human.
It Can kill a human.
But if we see a Police Officer has killed a human with is police baton, that police officer will likely go to Jail for Police Brutality.
Such weapons, like the one i just gave, CAN KILL, but only in Circumstances where the Cop can Clearly be seen as the Perpetrator.

WHEREAS with a Gun, a cop could have accidently killed someone, by shooting a running suspect, accidently hitting him in the Head.

~~Datruth

[zanzibar]

I don't know, if you get hit hard enough in the right place, you could be killed.  The floating rib for instance, or the jugular.  I think the temple could do it as well.

[bilbous]

As Blondie said "Accidents never happen in a perfect world" which is to say that anything can cause a death under the right circumstances. Club a guy in the head could cause a blood clot to form which causes a brain aneurysm. Cop has a peanut butter cup and gets peanut oil on his nightstick which he then uses to restrain a protester who is fatally allergic to peanuts.  Smack a guy in the side and rupture his spleen.

A net gun might work against unarmed suspects.

[Datruth]

O.k You guys are being OVERLY outrageous.

You're Peater butter Claim Bilbous would never hold up in court.

I'm talking about using sound logic and finding a weapon that DOES NOT KILL without intent(99% of the time), such as the baton i spoke of.

Making Artificial Exceptions to everything doesn't help anyone point lol, and makes you look silly

Now help me out here guys, Did anyone look at the Sound thing i provdied you, with the Wiki Link?

What do you think about that?

~~Datruth

[zanzibar]

The thing is, a police officer doesn't have to kill anyone in order to be out of line.

[bilbous]

Certainly the PB was unlikely I was just trying to show that accidental death can be caused. I don't like that thingy you mentions I don't think the government should be in the business of maiming people which is a possible side effect (permanent deafness). I don't really see how it would be generally useful anyway.