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Re: POLICE brutality at UCLA, STUN a student who is HANDCUFFED!!!
« Reply #75 on: November 20, 2006, 03:40:26 am »
What i don't get about all this, is why no one, out of the 50 odd students, did anything physically.
I mean were they just shocked :o into submission?

What would you have done, if you saw this taken place.
I would have gone up to the man and helped pick him up, regardless of what any cop said, and probably get tazed.

Yea i know,i'm stupid like that, go figure lol.

It wouldn't be an instant reaction, would take a good minute of thinking, but i know i would have done it eventually, after screaming at the cops that is lol.

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« Reply #76 on: November 20, 2006, 03:58:40 am »
Someone did do something, they filmed it and posted the video. What more did you want them to do, get tasered or worse themselves?

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« Reply #77 on: November 20, 2006, 04:03:36 am »
If the students got physical with the police, then the police could have said "Ha, see?  We said that we were protecting ourself from being mobbed, and look!  They tried to mob us!".  Since no one resisted the police, the police have been left with absolutely no defense for their actions.
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« Reply #78 on: November 20, 2006, 04:31:19 am »
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it is useless to talk about it, it may help you to talk about it, which i guess is not entirely useless, but just because more and more people talk about it doesnt mean things will change, i think its basically just helping you or anyone get thoughts off your chest. if talking about it helped, there would be no more police brutality i mean there was a huge riot in LA over the king beating, and everyone accross the country talked about it and nothing has changed, except for cops keeping it a little more secret. words dont change a person. especially violence. talking only helps to ease the pain. you can start a huge petition in america and get every single person to comment and read and it still wont change the fact that people are violent by nature, especially when angered. im not saying dont talk about it, im just saying dont get this self righteous feeling that talking about it will do something. because it wont. not one bit. there are many examples of that thru history.

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« Reply #79 on: November 20, 2006, 05:06:02 am »
If the students got physical with the police, then the police could have said "Ha, see?  We said that we were protecting ourself from being mobbed, and look!  They tried to mob us!".  Since no one resisted the police, the police have been left with absolutely no defense for their actions.

Great point, maybe it was best no one did anything. Should have re thought that.

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it is useless to talk about it, it may help you to talk about it, which i guess is not entirely useless, but just because more and more people talk about it doesnt mean things will change, i think its basically just helping you or anyone get thoughts off your chest. if talking about it helped, there would be no more police brutality i mean there was a huge riot in LA over the king beating, and everyone accross the country talked about it and nothing has changed, except for cops keeping it a little more secret. words dont change a person. especially violence. talking only helps to ease the pain. you can start a huge petition in america and get every single person to comment and read and it still wont change the fact that people are violent by nature, especially when angered. im not saying dont talk about it, im just saying dont get this self righteous feeling that talking about it will do something. because it wont. not one bit. there are many examples of that thru history.

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I guess you've never heard of the french revolution which was spread in Salons, all through france.
Do some studying bro, The power of one voice is stronger than you believe.

And if everyone in America was united in one cause, it would make a difference.
Don't belive me? Look at the 2006 midterm election, highest turnout for Any midterm election EVER, and the Dems Swept Congress.

Oh and incase you're still not bought by the whole idea, I need mention 1 more person.

Ghandi.

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« Reply #80 on: November 20, 2006, 05:38:30 am »
Honestly, I don't think the DEms swept congress becuase it was a high turn out.  I think they picked up seats becuase the Reps, who were in power, screwed up enough so that the nation felt it was tie for a change.  USA has two main political groups, so if you don't like one, the general mentality is to vote for the other.  As an off tangent, the Dems didn't really sweep it either, many of the elections were close.

And back on topic.  Mis use of tazering isn't new.  Its been around since they first came out. Case in point: http://www.stellaawards.com/2003.html  Read the winner article. Undertrained cops have been around since the system was made.  The difference now, to me anyways, is that they are given weapons, and told that it is less than lethal.  When you are holding a weapon in your hand that you know is meant to kill, as opposed to one that is "less than lethal", you have quite a different mindset when you think about if you should pull the trigger or not.  This doesn't go for just the undertrained ones either.  Fact is, it easier for someone to pull a trigger on a taser than it is a real gun, becuase they know with a taser, that it is "less than lethal".

Th real problem, to me, is the mindset used about what a taser is for.  Until that mindset changes, misuse of it will continue.

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« Reply #81 on: November 20, 2006, 11:07:37 am »
Actually, I'm not RPing, and I'm pretty serious. Abuse of power? I don't see it. Yeah, police got tazers, why that? To play "hit the walls" with 'em? I have an opinion which may differ of yours, that doesn't mean your is right and mine is wrong though. Read the last phrase again, and you'll understand something about "good" and "evil", about "right" and "wrong". Don't bother making a thread about that, there were way too many.

Sometimes, people are undisciplined, and "think way too high of themselves", putting their pity lives over others, over laws and everything. Why? Because they consider themselves "cool", unique, superior? C'mon. Get real.

Don't tell me that student was an angel himself, 'cause I won't believe you. When you don't know someone, it's better just to shut the hell up.

Consider yourself a rebel and that "police is bad uuu! / let's break the laws they suck!" and add another one on that huge list of names who's helping the world to slowly fall apart. You know, in my opinion we actually "evolve", and that's good.

You said you can do something about it. What can you do? I tell you, nothing. You're still young, and you still have those "I can change the world" thoughts. It's nice to dream though.

Oh, and about that "uhm", it needed to be there to complete my whole sarcasm, yours, it's there from pure stupidity.

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« Reply #82 on: November 20, 2006, 11:49:34 am »
words have the ability to change certain things in life. but cant change human nature. all those people you mentioned changed something, but didnt change human nature
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« Reply #83 on: November 20, 2006, 12:20:38 pm »
Actually, I'm not RPing, and I'm pretty serious. Abuse of power? I don't see it. Yeah, police got tazers, why that? To play "hit the walls" with 'em? I have an opinion which may differ of yours, that doesn't mean your is right and mine is wrong though. Read the last phrase again, and you'll understand something about "good" and "evil", about "right" and "wrong". Don't bother making a thread about that, there were way too many.

That was abuse of Power, according to the TAZER POLICIES!
Everyone needs a frame of reference, and that's what they use when deciding it's purpose and use.

AND WHERE on this great green earth do you live annah, Where you think it's O.K to tazer someone who hasn't broken the law.
According to the tazer policy, This is what tazers are for
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"6) CRITERIA FOR USE - DRIVE STUN
Authorized personnel may use a Taser in a drive stun capacity, as a pain compliance technique, in the following situations.
A) To eliminate physical resistance from an arrestee in accomplishing an
arrest or physical search.
B) When a skirmish line is deployed and/or for pain compliance against
passive resistors as allowed in UCLA Police Policy ยง 301.24 (Pain
Compliance Techniques).
C) To stop a dangerous animal."'

NONE OF WHICH HAPPENED, He was under arrest and recieved the Tazer multiple times. IF That's not being bad enough, he said he had a medical condition, and they tazered him anyways.

Tazers are supposed to be used on humans ANNAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, but that doesn't make every case of Use right:
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officers should give additional consideration to the unique circumstances involved prior to applying the
Taser to any of the following individuals: .
A) Pregnant females;
B) Elderly individuals or obvious juveniles;
C) Individuals who are handcuffed or otherwise restrained;

D) Individuals who have been recently sprayed with alcohol based Pepper
Spray or who are otherwise in close proximity to any combustible material;
E) Individuals whose position or activity may result in collateral injury (e.g.
falls from significant heights, operating vehicles, etc.)

He Not only was handcuffed, but he was near the stairs, and the second or thrid Tazing caused him to roll down the flight of stairs and fall down into the Foyer, That's uncompliance with rules C and E.

Sometimes, people are undisciplined, and "think way too high of themselves", putting their pity lives over others, over laws and everything. Why? Because they consider themselves "cool", unique, superior? C'mon. Get real.

Don't tell me that student was an angel himself, 'cause I won't believe you. When you don't know someone, it's better just to shut the fu*k up.

You really sound like a Facist at this moment, "undisciplined, Thinking highly of themselves, putting their lives over others, over laws."
If you believe in Big government, FINE, but you must also believe in INdividual Human Rights.

Where in the world do you live annah? To believe that people leaving a Library need to be tazed? What have you been taught as a child?

Ohh and About the student not being an ANGEL, According to the law HE WAS AN ANGEL, he broke no LAWS, while the officers broke MANY. Sure he makes mistakes, that's ALLOWED!!!!! But Police officers who are held to a higher standard, CANNOT Break the law!

Oh and I'm glad you got to use a Cuss word and not be cencored out, hope karyuu catches that, if not, well we can see what kind of "diction" you use.

Consider yourself a rebel and that "police is bad uuu! / let's break the laws they suck!" and add another one on that huge list of names who's helping the world to slowly fall apart. You know, in my opinion we actually "evolve", and that's good.

Who broke the law here lol, are you feeling o.k? Did you actually read into this event or just babble on?

The student didn't break any laws, so why spread propoganda Annah? Don't propogate that we're against the police, we arn't, we just don't want them Breaking the laws we created, and Abusing their power.

Simple idea huh?

You said you can do something about it. What can you do? I tell you, nothing. You're still young, and you still have those "I can change the world" thoughts. It's nice to dream though.

Lol, if you think one person can't do anything to change the world, you've never heard of Hitler, or Ghandi, or Martin luther king, or Mohammad Ali, or Malcom X, or any of the other figures that have lived in this world.

And obviously you ignored my Source from the French Revolution which was started and run by Salons, regular people like you and me.
There was no t.v back there , and censorship of writing was common. The people working together abolished the government.

You're still young and are of the opinon the Government has the power to make the people do whatever they want.
Truth check: Because of constant revolutions people became discontented with this Ideology, so they revolted against their Monarch Aristocracies.

Clearly though you hold the government over the lives of a single person, sounds kinda like communism to me?

Strip the rights of the individual, for the good of many. It's good in theory, but abuse of power takes over, and you have common day china.

Where do you live annah, we'd all be interested in undertstanding your mindframe a bit better. ;)

Oh, and about that "uhm", it needed to be there to complete my whole sarcasm, yours, it's there from pure stupidity.

No, that's not what i believe.
I think you wrote the uhm thing because  you unconciously talk that way.

Let's review the tape shall we ;)
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As for that damn video, uhm, I think someone just got shot somewhere on Earth. Does that matter? Oh, no... why? Because he's not your neighbour Dath?

So "uhm" needs to be there for sarcastic purposes? Really? ..... i think you're the first to consider it's mandatory presence in using sarcasm.

We've all done fine without it. ;)

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« Reply #84 on: November 20, 2006, 01:00:11 pm »
You amuse me really.

I do believe in individual human rights. I do believe in individual freedom and the right to choose. I live in Romania (which is a democracy), and from the 1st of January 2007, we'll enter in the European Union, and to give an abstract example it will be mandatory to make a life insurance. I'm against this. Why? Simple, because maybe I consider my life is priceless.

I want to live in a society where you can choose, where you are able to forge your destiny, though, where you must understand some things are needed for control. Because, like I stated in my first post, a world just full of love, will just fall apart. An equilibrium must exist.

I ain't a fascist, nor communist. But I do agree with some ideas communism has brought for example, democracy isn't perfect. And to speak the truth, a perfect society would be one which can have mixed elements from those mentioned above, and even from a monarchy.

Religion was a good form of control, but where did it lead? Think a little.

"Propaganda"? You're the one who wants to make us believe some things, not me. I just said my personal opinion. And stop speaking for other people, speak only for yourself, that will help you in the future, trust me.

Oh, and I hope you did notice that little * . As for the "uhm", in that phrase, yeah it was needed, since you cannot actually see me. You cannot make an impression, and to be sure of it, if I'm not in front of you, if you cannot see my gestures, if you cannot hear me. Think at that phrase, and add some:

:innocent: :whistling:

Huh...

:love:

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Yeah, words can be more powerful even than a weapon strike. I agree with this, since I did say it a long time ago. But what it matters, is the person who's saying those words. There was never a single person who changed everything. Hitler? He had huge armies, made from many other people. And I can give you hundreds of examples, since I can say I studied history much more than you. Though, it's a vicious circle, you can say those people listened to him, and so on. We're both right, in our own way.

Cheers mate.

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« Reply #85 on: November 20, 2006, 01:11:01 pm »
Thanks for the info Annah, and i agree, democracy isn't perfect.

I also have to say i don't like the Idea that Good and evil are Malleable, and changing.
There must be some tangible good and evil, a frame a reference, we can turn to.

If not, one day we will allow rape, and we will allow murder, and we will allow disgrace.
I will have to really make a thread about that someday.

And i do have an apology to make to Annah, i shouldn't have Mentioned the Uhm thing, it was quite mean after reading it over.
He's right that he had to type it, i'm not there so it allowed me to better understand his statement.

And for the record, i hate all forms of fascism.
A government that serves the people with checks in balances is fine with me.

Not america though, we don't have enough checks and balances, i think maybe power should be divided 10 ways.

1) Make laws 2) Explain Laws 3) Enforce laws 4) Check to see if it Matches the Constitution 5) Change salaries 6) Economic Infrustructure

7) house of War and Peace, foreign Affairs  8 ) house of Government reform  9) Socialistic house of wealth to the needy 10) Oversight on all houses.

Something like that would be very tricky.
Also i do not believe in a Representative Government, Currently we have the Technology to host DIRECT ELECTIONS.
I want Pure democracy, No more of this representative Nonsense.

Those are some of my political ideals, and i lean towards taxing the rich for the needy, and social welfare programs.

Favorite President: Franklin D. Roosevelt

I'd love to hear yours annah if you'd like to share.

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1) Annah's a He, not a she, so i had to fix all those

2) My 8th type of government turned into this  8), so i need to make a space, to make it like this 8 )
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« Reply #86 on: November 20, 2006, 01:17:47 pm »
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She's right that she had to type it, i'm not there so it allowed me to better understand her statement.

I'm actually a he, call me Antonio, or Tony if it's more simple hehe. "Annah" exists from my old passion regarding Planescape Torment (it's a pc game if you didn't hear of it, I highly recommand it), I really liked her character, her attitude.

Anyway, favorite president? I hope that will be me someday. And no, I'm not sarcastic.

Oh well, I like the way you turn something little in something big, you remind me of me some time ago.
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« Reply #87 on: November 20, 2006, 01:23:37 pm »
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She's right that she had to type it, i'm not there so it allowed me to better understand her statement.

I'm actually a he, call me Antonio, or Tony if it's more simple hehe. "Annah" exists from my old passion regarding Planescape Torment (it's a pc game if you didn't hear of it, I highly recommand it), I really liked her character, her attitude.

Anyway, favorite president? I hope that will be me someday. And no, I'm not sarcastic.

Oh well, I like the way you turn something little in something big, you remind me of me some time ago.

lol annah, I think it's big, and i do have the ability to make things Blow up and become huge.

Just check out one of my first long posts and statements in the Thread i made called: "The team and the Community"

But what about your political views? How would you label yourself? And if you could create a government, what would it look like?

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« Reply #88 on: November 20, 2006, 02:35:40 pm »
Favorite President: Franklin D. Roosevelt

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« Reply #89 on: November 20, 2006, 02:38:19 pm »
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