POLICE brutality at UCLA, STUN a student who is HANDCUFFED!!!

[Datruth]

Here is the link to it:  http://youtube.com/watch?v=W3CdNgoC0cE

Watch it before you read ANYTHING!

Unbiased Account on the Situation:

http://www.blakeross.com/2006/11/17/on-the-ucla-tasering/

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I Quote:

    * UCLA student Mostafa Tabatabainejad was working in the library when a Community Service Officer approached and asked him to show school ID as part of a posted library policy barring unauthorized persons after 11PM. Mostafa did not have his ID and did not leave immediately. It is unclear if he refused to leave and, if so, whether he was belligerent. The CSO contacted the campus police, which have the same authority as municipal cops.
    * Multiple campus policemen arrived as Mostafa was apparently exiting the library. One of them put a hand on Mostafa, inciting him to shout angrily.
    * An officer Tasered Mostafa using the “drive stun” setting (i.e. via direct contact instead of shooting).
    * After placing Mostafa in handcuffs, officers continued to Taser Mostafa multiple times. Mostafa yelled that he was cooperating and that he had a medical condition. Officers ordered him to “stand up” repeatedly, which he did not do.
    * At least two dozen students witnessed the event. Multiple students demanded badge numbers from the officers on scene and told them that they were out of line. At least one of the students requesting the information was threatened with the Taser directly.

ALL THIS HAPPEND TUESDAY, of this Week.

At UCLA, of all places, In the United States.

I'm shocked and Appaled.

This was the Most Heinous thing i've ever witnessed.

He was Handcuffed and yet he STILL was tazed....

That is wrong, even by the LAPD's Manual TAZER POLICIES

I'm going to This weekends Protest, UCLA is a school i'm planning on attending in 3 years, I won't allow this to happen again.

Amnesty International is looking into this.

~~Datruth

P.s I highly recommend you read the Second link, which has an Eye Witnesses account of what happened.

http://www.blakeross.com/2006/11/17/on-the-ucla-tasering/

[Phinehas]

*Matt, with a very awake little man on his shoulder.*

Amazing, isn't it? Whether something is a big deal or not to someone all depends on how much they can relate to it.

[Datruth]

Amazing, isn't it? Whether something is a big deal or not all depends on who's affected.

So it was Near my home, i live near UCLA and i plan on attending it.

I can see what you mean by why i would call this a big deal, regardless of all the facts and video.

But what facts or opinions do you have as to regard this as..... a small deal.

We are both in agreement atleast, this is a BIG deal for All of america, Not just us in Southern California.

[Phinehas]

I re-worded my post, so it's a tad more concise. Basically, I'm saying that I could list a whole slew of things that I've seen just off the top of my head, yet although objectively they may be more shocking or brutal, they wouldn't shock you near as much, because they are unrelated to your life.

[Datruth]

I re-worded my post, so it's a tad more concise. Basically, I'm saying that I could list a whole slew of things that I've seen just off the top of my head, yet although objectively they may be more shocking or brutal, they wouldn't shock you near as much, because they are unrelated to your life.

I know what you mean phin, Iraq is worse than this, and yet i'm less shocked, because it doesn't affect me.

This jump started my life though phin, i need to take more things into perspective, not just stuff near me.

Read all these comments guys, really incitefull:

http://digg.com/videos_people/Student_tasered_at_UCLA_library_for_not_having_his_ID_11_14_06_11_30pm

"Kids have been getting kicked out of libraries since time immemorial; today they are tortured with electricity if they don't do it quickly enough."

Don't be caught without your papers, or the Gestapo will take you away.

Which one was that? Protecting or serving?

Innocent untill Proven Guilty, Not taze them to death

according to a study published in the Lancet Medical Journal in 2001, a charge of three to five seconds can result in immobilization for five to 15 minutes, which would mean that Tabatabainejad could have been physically unable to stand when the officers demanded that he do so.

Alex Trebek: Who said, "Almost all cases of police abuse are related to the person not being respectful. Police are people of authority. Didn't most people's parents teach to respect authority."

Contestant: "Who is Hitler?"

This makes me sick. They taser the guy, and then while he is incapacitated, tell him to stand up? That's like torturing for someone for information by removing their tongue, and then telling them if they don't tell you what you want to know, you'll start breaking bones. These cops are either criminally stupid for not knowing the effects of their own weapons, or criminally insane for wilfully torturing the guy.

How quick do you think you could get up after someone tazered you?

The fact remain, regardless of what the study said/yelled, police officers should only use the of force necessary to detain a suspect or prevent them causing harm to other people or otherwise violate the law.

Considering the student was laying on the ground (which means that he was incapacitated) the police could have safely waited until he recovered and then either arrest him or escort him out of the building. Waiting would have not caused any harm to any one.

** Note ** I am a firm believer that law enforcement should be allowed to use the appropriate amount of force (event deadly force if necessary) if someones actions could kill or seriously harm others.
What pisses me off (and it should piss you off, as well) is when police fail to exercise proper restraint.

I'll never understand why police officers demand compliance when the individual is unable to comply. And then punish you for non-compliance.
If you get tazed you really can't move because all of your muscles are in spasm. So, it's kind of hard to stand up.

I don't care if he was being disrespectful.
I don't care if he was instigating a confrontation.
And I don't care if he refused to leave (which he didn't, because you clearly hear him tell the cops he's leaving right before he gets tasered).

The point is, he was CLEARLY incapacitated after he was tasered, if not the first time, then the second time (or the third, or the fourth, or the fifth...) and at that point any further use of force by the police was unnecessary. What continued to unfold from that point on amounts to torture, and abuse.

WHAT CAN YOU DO?


Contact Barbara Boxer, Our Senator
http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/offices/la.cfm
Los Angeles
312 N. Spring Street, Suite 1748
Los Angeles, CA 90012
(213) 894-5000
(213) 894-5042 fax
TTY: 202-224-4264

Contact the Chancellor: chancellor@conet.ucla.edu

Give the police a call. Let them know what you think.
http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/ucpd/contact.html

Chief of Police,
Karl T. Ross
825-1633
 kross@
ucpd.ucla.edu


Official police report here:

http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/ucpd/zippdf/2006/Taser%2011-15-06.pdf

~~Datruth

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EDIT: NEW INFO OUT

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ZiIebst4fc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uhYCeO67fCs&watch_response

Thank god for Keith Olberman, atleast someone has the balls to report this.

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More media

http://www.laist.com/archives/2006/11/17/ucla_students_demonstrate_against_ucpd_taser_use.php
http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-uclataser,0,4201981.story?coll=ktla-news-1
http://ktla.trb.com/news/la-me-taser18nov18-pg,0,3890542.photogallery?coll=ktla-news-1&index=1

[Kiern]

I did the same thing....

[LARAGORN]

Mr. Tabatabainejad didnt handle the situation very well at all, but does this provoke the use of a taser? NO
It amazes me how some of the people who have responded on other forums, think the officers were justified in the repeated tasing.
On the other side, it was a fast leap to racial profiling.
IMHO it was a F'ed up situation from the start, however once Mr. Tabatabainejad was in cuffs there was no need whatsoever to tase him again and again. He was endagering no one, he was not trying to encite a riot as many have proclaimed. Passive-Agressive protest are no reason for tasing, there were enough officers there to just pick him up and remove him from the building and put him in one of the four cruisers outside. The threatening of other students asking for badge numbers and names was also a big NO-NO. An officer cannot threaten violence for a request for identification, a warning of arrest would have been more appropriate to the situation.

It will be interesting to see the outcome of the various investigations.

[WiseKran]

He showed no respect for authority, and refused to comply with their orders. he got the tazer, he then continued to be obstinate, and not follow orders, he got tazered again.

Justice is served. He should keep getting that tazer until he listens to what he is being told. if that doesnt work. I heard lead pipes have a better effect.

 They should have billy-clubbed him into submission.

[Suno_Regin]

Police are stupid in my opinion. On one Cops show, they all tried to yank a guy out of his window because he was speeding, and he just stopped and put his hands up. Wasn't going to hurt them or anything, and they yank him, BY HIS SHIRT, out the window.

[Annah]

Of course he didn't want to hurt them, but what if he did hurt innocent ones in his speed cruise uhm? As for what Datruth posted, come on people, be serious! Such a big deal for what? For nothing...

That's why police exists, to "shut the mouths" of that kind of persons, aye? Violence? A world full of "love" will simply fall apart.



Now now, going to the club, party!



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oh, and to shut some mouths myself, you see, not just Phin can do this.

ALL THIS HAPPEND TUESDAY,

It's, "all these happened on Tuesday".

Just being evil. Now kiss meh!

[Xordan]

This has happened lots of times in different places (the stunning while handcuffed etc.) across the USA in the past, but people don't really care unless it happens near them. It doesn't really get reported for more than a day either.

[Shangreloo]

Xordan is correct, there were similar incidences of police brutality during the WTO protests in Seattle(1999), the Republican National Convention in NYC (2003), and the  WTO protests in Miami (2003). Many protesters who were already cuffed were having pepper sprayed directly into their eyes by police.  Although these incidences are a little different from what happened to Mr. Tabatabainejad, during the  RNC many police officers had no badge numbers visible. Secret police in the US? You bet.

[LARAGORN]

He showed no respect for authority, and refused to comply with their orders. he got the tazer, he then continued to be obstinate, and not follow orders, he got tazered again.

Justice is served. He should keep getting that tazer until he listens to what he is being told. if that doesnt work. I heard lead pipes have a better effect.

 They should have billy-clubbed him into submission.

Yeah we should all be good little sheep and do what we are told.

[Xordan]

He showed no respect for authority, and refused to comply with their orders. he got the tazer, he then continued to be obstinate, and not follow orders, he got tazered again.

Justice is served. He should keep getting that tazer until he listens to what he is being told. if that doesnt work. I heard lead pipes have a better effect.

 They should have billy-clubbed him into submission.

You seem to have missed the fact that you _can't_ stand up once you've been tazered. It causes muscle spasms... so he couldn't actually use any of those muscles to stand up even if he wanted to.

[WiseKran]

The least he could do was stop shouting obscenities, and verbally comply, rather than to continue with shouting his disagreement.

He got what was coming to him.

but now people are going to make him seem like a hero, when all he really is, is a stubborn jackass.





What the police should have done rather than telling him to stand, was Tazer him, then haul him down the stairs wherever they were taking him.