POLICE brutality at UCLA, STUN a student who is HANDCUFFED!!!

[Datruth]

He was complying.  Even then, non-compliance does not give the police the right to pull out a taser.  Being tased by a police taser on a high setting is not the same as what most people think it is.

but he wasnt before he got tazered.

Actually Kalika, that's not Entirely true, this is how it went.

They wanted his I.D card, he didn't have it on him, even though he is a student.

They told him to leave, he refused saying they shouldn't have just targeted him, that they should check the other kids I.D's as well.

The cops come(real ones lol), tell him to go.

He's on his way out, a cop grabs his Shoulder, he shakes off the cops hand, and another cop grabs him and Tazes him.

This is the account of about 12 witnesses, The official Police Report doesn't mention that(The shoulder part), not that it would anyways.

From this, i'd say he eventually complied to all of their wishes, even leaving the area as they wanted.

~~Datruth

[Kelod]

Why didn't he just show his I.D. or say he forgot it or that he didn't have one?  You'd be surprised how nice law enforcement can be when one doesn't act like a jerk...

[Kalika]

They wanted his I.D card, he didn't have it on him, even though he is a student.

They told him to leave, he refused saying they shouldn't have just targeted him, that they should check the other kids I.D's as well.

~~Datruth

thats what i meant previously by the profiling. This had potential of never happening if he hadnt refused, then the cops wouldnt ahve come then then he wouldnt ahve been tazered, then this thread would never have existed.

[zanzibar]

He was complying.  Even then, non-compliance does not give the police the right to pull out a taser.  Being tased by a police taser on a high setting is not the same as what most people think it is.

but he wasnt before he got tazered.

Yes, he was.  From all reports except for the police report which has been proven to be filled with lies by both the media and the student's lawyer, when the cops showed up, he began to leave the building.  They stopped him from leaving.


Some videos of people getting tasered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FgXe1xf16E  (notice that this is a very large man being sent to the ground by the taser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACUjnJBHIZc&mode=related&search= (a well built man sent to the ground by the taser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVzwUY2CvGA (young woman sent to the ground)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X16IXkhaP5A (man sent to the ground)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpXtumHiVXY (in shape police officer sent to the ground)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Mez9O0ICg (to his knees from a short charge)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beN0fjVy718 (again, sent to the ground)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4zv7LuwmnE (again, big guy sent to the ground)


Compare those videos to the videos of friends shocking eachother for fun.  If you think getting tasered isn't a big deal, you're full of it.  Get tasered by someone who knows how to do it right then you can talk about it.

[Datruth]

They wanted his I.D card, he didn't have it on him, even though he is a student.

They told him to leave, he refused saying they shouldn't have just targeted him, that they should check the other kids I.D's as well.

~~Datruth

thats what i meant previously by the profiling. This had potential of never happening if he hadnt refused, then the cops wouldnt ahve come then then he wouldnt ahve been tazered, then this thread would never have existed.

Kalika, Kids have been getting kicked out of Libraries for ages.

Now if they dont do it fast enough, you get tazed.

I do not feel that is right, and i do not feel the kid has ANY blame whatsoever, he didn't do anything illegal.

~~Datruth

[Kelod]

He was complying.  Even then, non-compliance does not give the police the right to pull out a taser.  Being tased by a police taser on a high setting is not the same as what most people think it is.

but he wasnt before he got tazered.

Yes, he was.  From all reports except for the police report which has been proven to be filled with lies by both the media and the student's lawyer, when the cops showed up, he began to leave the building.  They stopped him from leaving.


Some videos of people getting tasered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FgXe1xf16E  (notice that this is a very large man being sent to the ground by the taser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACUjnJBHIZc&mode=related&search= (a well built man sent to the ground by the taser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVzwUY2CvGA (young woman sent to the ground)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X16IXkhaP5A (man sent to the ground)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpXtumHiVXY (in shape police officer sent to the ground)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Mez9O0ICg (to his knees from a short charge)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beN0fjVy718 (again, sent to the ground)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4zv7LuwmnE (again, big guy sent to the ground)


Compare those videos to the videos of friends shocking eachother for fun.  If you think getting tasered isn't a big deal, you're full of it.  Get tasered by someone who knows how to do it right then you can talk about it.

Oh, right.  The officer who tased me was just some kid friend of mine playing games.  Remind me next time I'm getting arrested for disorderly conduct to give B1 a wedgie and B2 a wet willy...

I'm done 'debating' here since it's clear that we're all too high and mighty to ask questions and to not assume.  Enjoy!

[zanzibar]

Oh, right.  The officer who tased me was just some kid friend of mine playing games.  Remind me next time I'm getting arrested for disorderly conduct to give B1 a wedgie and B2 a wet willy...

Did it go down like in the videos I posted?  Yes or no?

[Datruth]

He was complying.  Even then, non-compliance does not give the police the right to pull out a taser.  Being tased by a police taser on a high setting is not the same as what most people think it is.

but he wasnt before he got tazered.

Yes, he was.  From all reports except for the police report which has been proven to be filled with lies by both the media and the student's lawyer, when the cops showed up, he began to leave the building.  They stopped him from leaving.


Some videos of people getting tasered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FgXe1xf16E  (notice that this is a very large man being sent to the ground by the taser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACUjnJBHIZc&mode=related&search= (a well built man sent to the ground by the taser)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVzwUY2CvGA (young woman sent to the ground)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X16IXkhaP5A (man sent to the ground)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpXtumHiVXY (in shape police officer sent to the ground)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Mez9O0ICg (to his knees from a short charge)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beN0fjVy718 (again, sent to the ground)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4zv7LuwmnE (again, big guy sent to the ground)


Compare those videos to the videos of friends shocking eachother for fun.  If you think getting tasered isn't a big deal, you're full of it.  Get tasered by someone who knows how to do it right then you can talk about it.

Oh, right.  The officer who tased me was just some kid friend of mine playing games.  Remind me next time I'm getting arrested for disorderly conduct to give B1 a wedgie and B2 a wet willy...

I'm sorry kelod, But i cannot take your sole word, and believe that a Taser is less harmless than Pepperspray.

That fact that a taser kills, while pepperspray doesn't, means i must atleast use some scrutiny.

Also the fact that i cannot find anyone, on the internet or in real life, that agrees with you.

They may exist, but the vast majority of people i've found, say a taser is much more dangerous than pepperspray, as well as painfull.

So i'm sorry for being so Scepticle, but you understand my reasons as to why i can't just take your word for it.

~~Datruth

[zanzibar]

I'm done 'debating' here since it's clear that we're all too high and mighty to ask questions and to not assume.  Enjoy!

The only one here who's been acting "high and mighty" is you.  Did your experience of being hit with a taser happen like in the videos I posted or not?  Is it even comparable to what happened to the student?  You can't say that people aren't asking questions.  Half the thread is people asking questions.

[bilbous]

One thing is that people have died from pepper spray, all it takes is an allergy or a respiratory disease. At some of the demonstrations against the globalization talks the air was saturated with that stuff. Whole neighborhoods were subjected to it. The other thing I wanted to mention is that the affect of a tazer can be influenced by the amount of electrolyes in your system.

That is all.

[Datruth]

One thing is that people have died from pepper spray, all it takes is an allergy or a respiratory disease. At some of the demonstrations against the globalization talks the air was saturated with that stuff. Whole neighborhoods were subjected to it. The other thing I wanted to mention is that the affect of a tazer can be influenced by the amount of electrolyes in your system.

That is all.

Do you mean Electrolytes bilbous?

IF so? why?

Could it be that it handles the current better?

~~Datruth

BEWARE OF GATORADE, mwahahahahahah

[bilbous]

Exactly, fill yourself up with one of those power drinks and you'll be a lot worse off, I suspect. You may not suffer as much physical damage due to acting as a resister but I imagine your nervous system will get more toasty. Of course I am speculating but it makes sense to me.

[Idoru]

Why didn't he just show his I.D. or say he forgot it or that he didn't have one?  You'd be surprised how nice law enforcement can be when one doesn't act like a jerk...

You can make this sentence for all sorts of occasions, 'The homeless guy that this officer shot previously shouldnt have been on the premises, He should have thought about the consequences',  'That guy shouldnt have looked at me like that, I had to hit him, He should have thought of the consequences' and pretty much anything else that happens infact. IMO it just isnt a reasonable argument.

Now I mention it, did anyone else see the thing about the incident where this officer shot some homeless guy a couple of years ago?

[Datruth]

Why didn't he just show his I.D. or say he forgot it or that he didn't have one?  You'd be surprised how nice law enforcement can be when one doesn't act like a jerk...

You can make this sentence for all sorts of occasions, 'The homeless guy that this officer shot previously shouldnt have been on the premises, He should have thought about the consequences',  'That guy shouldnt have looked at me like that, I had to hit him, He should have thought of the consequences' and pretty much anything else that happens infact. IMO it just isnt a reasonable argument.

Now I mention it, did anyone else see the thing about the incident where this officer shot some homeless guy a couple of years ago?

No i didn't see anything about it Idoru, Send me a link to it if you can find one.

And you make a perfect piont, Excuses are excuses, we judge people according to the law.

And according to the law, The poor kid was innocent, and the Cops Guilty.

[Idoru]

external forum post about the shooting

LA Times news article

It also looks like the officer was sacked from long beach PD (think thats the one) 18 years ago, was reccomended for dismissal from his current job after an alleged assault of a student and add to that the shooting and the TASERing and you have a model law enforcement officer