POLICE brutality at UCLA, STUN a student who is HANDCUFFED!!!

[Datruth]

external forum post about the shooting

LA Times news article

It also looks like the officer was sacked from long beach PD (think thats the one) 18 years ago, was reccomended for dismissal from his current job after an alleged assault of a student and add to that the shooting and the TASERing and you have a model law enforcement officer 

OMG, that guy needs to be FIRED, like NOW!

Thanks for that info Idoru, this changes things a whole lot more, i can bet a few thousand more people are on our side now.

I mean how could you defend this officer now....

Great job again Idoru!

~~Datruth

[Coneitic]

good fire him!! only a million more to go and thats being optimistic. why dont some of you people who have such strong ideas on this brutality tell a story of when you were harassed by cops phisically or verbally abused. because unless you've been in the situation you really cant understand it. i have two instances with the police that im sure everyone would like to hear, and yes ones got phisical abuse in it, yano the juicy stuff. but i'd like to hear some of yours first. especially datruth i know he has had some kind of run in with the law

[Idoru]

only a million more to go and thats being optimistic

Is the US police force really that many people??? it sounds more pessimistic to me 

[Coneitic]

are you kidding? i live in north carolina and there is more than a million people in this state. in connecticut they have like 3 or 4 million people and new york i think is just above 10 million. i didnt do research on these numbers so i may be off a little but thats just 3 states out of 50..... im sure nypd and lapd would have almost 100 thousand alone.

*sorry i ment 10 thousand*

*and datruth a few thousand on your side? more than 3/4 of the world population would be on your side.. it was an unjust action for a minor infraction. getting people on your side isnt hard at all especially for something as brutal as this.. its fixing the problem*

[Idoru]

LAPD: over 9,000 officers and 3,000 civilian staff.

NYPD: 35,000 officers (which is the biggest in the US)


But how many of those are scum like this guy 

[Thyme]

This discussion is actually quite interesting given a reading I just did for a paper I'm writing.  The text discusses an Italian philsopher - Giorgio Agamben, who discusses how sovereignty, and the power of the sovereign, is actually based on exceptions to what the regular social laws are.  This basically means, that sovereign power functions by creating situations where it doesn't have to follow it's own laws (like the USA and Guantanamo Bay), and according to Agamben, eventually this sovereign power shifts from a leader to the police - where the police are able to act without the command of some higher power.

Situations like this taser incident, while shocking, do not come as a surprise to someone like Agamben, who sees these kinds of acts as the hidden rule of our structures of power, and according to him, we will likely see more and more of these situations coming up and making visible the inherent violence of our current political systems.

So rather than this being an example of one police officer who was a "bad seed", the situation at UCLA demonstrates the broader structure that allows the police to be able to taser someone, even if it's against its own rules, in the first place.

[Note: ok, this was written after spending 24hrs working on this paper ;P  Sorry if it's too much, but sometimes I just need to put down on a page the things I'm thinking that can't go into a paper]

[Akaye]

good fire him!! only a million more to go and thats being optimistic. why dont some of you people who have such strong ideas on this brutality tell a story of when you were harassed by cops phisically or verbally abused. because unless you've been in the situation you really cant understand it. i have two instances with the police that im sure everyone would like to hear, and yes ones got phisical abuse in it, yano the juicy stuff. but i'd like to hear some of yours first. especially datruth i know he has had some kind of run in with the law

[I will be using fake names to keep the identities of the people I speak of and will only answer certain questions due to privacy to myself and others in this story. With pictures posted and other tid bits of information about my daughter, my husband and myself I will not give names, locations, dates, etc, if they conflict with my privacy. I have to keep my families safety in mind and as much as I love this community, I also know there are alot of weirdo's out there.]

I have heard about alot of cases being a counselor for group homes and troubled teens at one point. So here goes one story ....

Joe in a car riding with his friend Gerry decides to get some marijuana. They pick it up and on their way back home see a cop car. Gerry decides to stick out his tongue at the police officer as they drive by. Police officer stops them and askes them for ID. Once seeing the ID they ask them to get out of the car for a search. Joe gets caught with the weed and tells the police officer that Gerry made him carry it and that it was his. The policeman tells his partner to go have a chat with Gerry. Police officer grabs Gerry and slams him down on the hood of the car and demands that he confess. Gerry know's his rights and tells the officer that he doesn't have to answer any of his questions. Officer gets more angry and then slams Gerry down to the ground causing an injury to his jaw including a huge gash. The officer then cuffs Gerry and lets the friend go. The police officer decides he hasn't made enough of a point to Gerry and decides to strip search him in the middle of the street [leaving underwear on]. Pulls down Gerry's pants claiming he is doing this to see if Gerry has anymore dope. They then take him to the police station and the officer presses charges aganist Gerry for assult and resisting arrest.

This same officer over the years has been in the paper time and time again for assulting people or doing wrong. Not following protocal. Many of the kids I have counselled have talked with me about him. He has been a known problem to the police force but they still sit there and do nothing no matter how many people step forward or what evidence has been presented. This cop has finally killed a young man and is set to have a trial this year. 

[Idoru]

I find these kind of people really...... ummm...... the forums policy and my lack of an advanced enough vocabulary stop me from expressing what I want to say.

Anyway, im pretty glad that I live in the UK, I got caught with weed once by the police and got a caution (technically a slap on the wrists 'dont do it again' sort of thing). I feel that the world is pretty screwed when people wont listen to the views of 'the youth' or for that matter anyone who happens to disagree with their view point.

If this 'person' had been fired on the first event then a person would still be alive now.

Makes me wonder if we will be hearing about this particular officer killing someone in a couple of years 

[Akaye]

Makes me wonder if we will be hearing about this particular officer killing someone in a couple of years 

I am right there with you. I have huge doubt's that this officer will spend time in jail for this boys death. I also don't think he will be fired from his job although right now he is suspended until the trial is over. To think this man is there to "serve and protect." Don't we feel so safe ......

[zanzibar]

good fire him!! only a million more to go and thats being optimistic.

Which means we should start firing them now so we don't lose time.

why dont some of you people who have such strong ideas on this brutality tell a story of when you were harassed by cops phisically or verbally abused. because unless you've been in the situation you really cant understand it. i have two instances with the police that im sure everyone would like to hear, and yes ones got phisical abuse in it, yano the juicy stuff. but i'd like to hear some of yours first. especially datruth i know he has had some kind of run in with the law

If you're saying that no matter how bad we think it is it's actually worse, then you're making us more right in condemning the officer's actions.  Is that your intent?

[Datruth]

This discussion is actually quite interesting given a reading I just did for a paper I'm writing.  The text discusses an Italian philsopher - Giorgio Agamben, who discusses how sovereignty, and the power of the sovereign, is actually based on exceptions to what the regular social laws are.  This basically means, that sovereign power functions by creating situations where it doesn't have to follow it's own laws (like the USA and Guantanamo Bay), and according to Agamben, eventually this sovereign power shifts from a leader to the police - where the police are able to act without the command of some higher power.

Situations like this taser incident, while shocking, do not come as a surprise to someone like Agamben, who sees these kinds of acts as the hidden rule of our structures of power, and according to him, we will likely see more and more of these situations coming up and making visible the inherent violence of our current political systems.

So rather than this being an example of one police officer who was a "bad seed", the situation at UCLA demonstrates the broader structure that allows the police to be able to taser someone, even if it's against its own rules, in the first place.

[Note: ok, this was written after spending 24hrs working on this paper ;P  Sorry if it's too much, but sometimes I just need to put down on a page the things I'm thinking that can't go into a paper]

That was a great Post Thyme, how the curruption of the higher ups, and their breaking their own laws, trickles down the line to the Officers.

I think you're paper will turn out to be Excellent.

AS FOR conetic, sorry i mispelled name, I've actually never been in trouble with the law, or had a ticket thus far.

I've been pulled over twice, but both were for accidents, Neither of which were severe enough to Warrant a ticket and the cop understood my actions were accidents.

So no, i've not had a bad life with the police.

As for the guy, who killed that homeless person and tasered that kid, I say he should rot in Jail for 10 years.

~~Datruth

[Coneitic]

grrr i forgot to check this all day and now its to late for me to write my two stories... i promise they will keep you entertained. i'll have time tomorrow. as for that story with dude sticking his tounge out at the officer... what kind of as was said a lack of vocabulary and forum rules.... i'll use the word mencia uses.. DEE DEE DEE sticks his tounge out at a cop with reefer in the car? if you have anything illegal in the car.. u take ur hats off, music down windows up drive the speed limit... so as for that im totally with the cop on that, if i was there i woulda punched dude right in the back of the head for acting a fool. whether the cop was right or not.. which i dont think he was, sometimes those kinda ignorant decisions deserve ignorant actions. but thats just me. everyone wait till tomorrow for my two stories which are true, completely. but they will be very long. as for a teaser... once i was picked up for alledgedly being involved with 4 armed robberys in the first degree and one was a bank! try to guess how the cops tried to get info from me. the other was a rutine traffic stop that turned into a long long night... =)

[Akaye]

It is easy for you to judge I see, though you shouldn't speak so quickly. The person who stuck his tongue out at the cop was just goofing around. [He is a good kid in RL and not stupid by any means. He has actually just gone on to his second year of university and is aspiring to become a doctor.] His friend was worried about getting caught with the pot, so to freak his friend out Gerry stuck his tongue out at the cop car. Everyone has those moments when you just act completely foolish, it's that thing called being a kid and having fun. I am sure you have had your not so bright moments in life like that too so don't be so quick to put others down. It is always easy to see what you would have done in the situation after it has already taken place.

[Idoru]

I personally would have to agree with Giorgio Agamben's point of view (if the Wiki article is enough to go on lol)

Dont have much more to say other than im sure Thymes paper will kick ass, smart lass, smart post, must be a smart paper

[Coneitic]

just cuz hes in a university dont make him intellegent. there are two kinds of smart. book smart and street smart, [common sense]. you are right i have done some foolish things in my time but even still it was an act of stupidy and look what happend. im sure he is very smart to be an aspiring doctor.. just common sense might be lacking.