Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.

[zanzibar]

The most damage I've ever dealt with daggers is about 110 points.  That's with level 50 daggers in a bloody stance.

Today, someone dealt over 260 damage to me in a single sword hit.

Is this normal?  Is it the way things are supposed to be in the game?

[Suno_Regin]

Well, for one thing, the damage should be seriously toned down...I mean seriously, toned down...you can kill a guy in one hit, which really isn't fair. I remember when it used to be equal and you'd land about 40 damage or so on someone without one-hit killing.

But, swords cut deeper, stab farther, hit slower (thus requiring more force to push the blade down faster). So, I'd say it's pretty fair.

[zanzibar]

Well, for one thing, the damage should be seriously toned down...I mean seriously, toned down...you can kill a guy in one hit, which really isn't fair. I remember when it used to be equal and you'd land about 40 damage or so on someone without one-hit killing.

But, swords cut deeper, stab farther, hit slower (thus requiring more force to push the blade down faster). So, I'd say it's pretty fair.

My understanding of sword fighting is that you will hit your oponent a lot just to wear him down and then you go for a kill shot.  I have a better understanding about knife fighting though, and you immediately go to cut or stab your oponent somewhere that will kill him.  I'd actually say that knives are more dangerous that way.

The thing is, a knife will kill someone in one hit in real life, but with normal daggers in game, I'd hate to stab someone three or more times to kill them.  Meanwhile, someone hit me with a sword so hard that it cut me in half.

[Datruth]

The most damage I've ever dealt with daggers is about 110 points.  That's with level 50 daggers in a bloody stance.

Today, someone dealt over 260 damage to me in a single sword hit.

Is this normal?  Is it the way things are supposed to be in the game?

Yes that's normal.

I've seen swords go to 400, and i've seen daggers hit 300.

If you watch my Gharan Video, you will see all these stats in the chat box.

~~Datruth

[zanzibar]

I've seen swords go to 400, and i've seen daggers hit 300.

I've seen daggers hit for that high as well, but that was when daggers with slashes in excess of three hundred were still flying around.  How can you hit for 300 unless you use a lot of potions or cheat?

[bilbous]

There are a number of factor that go into damage such as character strength, weapon slash value and, I think most importantly, the weapon skill level. If I am not mistaken the sword skill is currently trainable to a higher level than the dagger skill although I have not yet reached either limit. One factor that is in favor of daggers is speed, it is possible to kill your opponent using a dagger before he gets an attack if you have the three characteristics listed above. It seems the tougher monsters have better hit points than is available to characters.

[Suno_Regin]

Well, for one thing, the damage should be seriously toned down...I mean seriously, toned down...you can kill a guy in one hit, which really isn't fair. I remember when it used to be equal and you'd land about 40 damage or so on someone without one-hit killing.

But, swords cut deeper, stab farther, hit slower (thus requiring more force to push the blade down faster). So, I'd say it's pretty fair.

My understanding of sword fighting is that you will hit your oponent a lot just to wear him down and then you go for a kill shot.  I have a better understanding about knife fighting though, and you immediately go to cut or stab your oponent somewhere that will kill him.  I'd actually say that knives are more dangerous that way.

The thing is, a knife will kill someone in one hit in real life, but with normal daggers in game, I'd hate to stab someone three or more times to kill them.  Meanwhile, someone hit me with a sword so hard that it cut me in half.

That depends on where you hit them. Getting your arm cut off by a sword...would probably make you lose a lot of blood and die. Being stabbed in the arm by a dagger, though, won't do much to you. Sure, it'll hurt like hell, but it isn't going to kill you. Now, a stab in the head or heart, I can understand, but...yeah. Damage should be based on where you're being hit at.

[zhai]

The damage increase of weapons showed up when the 50/50 quality was introduced about two updates ago (or three). Before that, weapon quality was al always 10/50. That's why daggers all of a sudden could hit above 190 (which was about the highest they could go using a sw) and swords could hit up to 500.

Check this for more info.

[Nikodemus]

The reason why damage is so high is because skills of fghting warriors aren't compared. You obviously won't fight as easy with skilled warrios as with peasant.
So if two warriors has 50 in their weapon skill, they deal the same damage to Hit Points of their enemy, it is each other, like a newbie to a rat.
This and the problem fixed. I also wrote about it in the thread zhai pinted to.

Furher tweaks is what happens when one guy has a long sword and te other short dagger. Obvioulsy the guy with sword has huge advantage. It's where differencies of weapons start to matter and while one weapon is good for one, it is worse for another. Going back to sword and dager exaple. While both warriors has 50 skill in the weapon, when they fight with each other, the skill of the guy with dagger will count maybe only in 60% while the guy sword will have no penalties. It is because it is easier to defeat enemy with dagger, having a sword as a weapon.

With this, also the Hit Point could rally start being Hit Points - a measure for experiencing how well you are doing in a fight. Loosing or winning, fast, or slowly.
It's not exactly health, but condition. Enought about HP...

[zanzibar]

Being stabbed in the arm by a dagger, though, won't do much to you. Sure, it'll hurt like hell, but it isn't going to kill you.

It will make your arm useless though, which leave you open to a kill shot.  There's actually an Isreali move where you slice the tendons of the wrist on your way to stabbing the kidney.

The damage increase of weapons showed up when the 50/50 quality was introduced about two updates ago (or three). Before that, weapon quality was al always 10/50. That's why daggers all of a sudden could hit above 190 (which was about the highest they could go using a sw) and swords could hit up to 500.

Check this for more info.

The highest I could ever hit with silverweave daggers was 110 per hit.



@Nikodemus:  Are you saying that those modifiers are in the game, or are you saying that those modifiers *should* be in the game?

[Datruth]

The reason why damage is so high is because skills of fghting warriors aren't compared. You obviously won't fight as easy with skilled warrios as with peasant.
So if two warriors has 50 in their weapon skill, they deal the same damage to Hit Points of their enemy, it is each other, like a newbie to a rat.
This and the problem fixed. I also wrote about it in the thread zhai pinted to.

Furher tweaks is what happens when one guy has a long sword and te other short dagger. Obvioulsy the guy with sword has huge advantage. It's where differencies of weapons start to matter and while one weapon is good for one, it is worse for another. Going back to sword and dager exaple. While both warriors has 50 skill in the weapon, when they fight with each other, the skill of the guy with dagger will count maybe only in 60% while the guy sword will have no penalties. It is because it is easier to defeat enemy with dagger, having a sword as a weapon.

With this, also the Hit Point could rally start being Hit Points - a measure for experiencing how well you are doing in a fight. Loosing or winning, fast, or slowly.
It's not exactly health, but condition. Enought about HP...

Did you just say longswords, or swords in general are better than daggers?

I'm sorry, but because Daggers can kill with 1 hit, yet have a faster speed, they are MUCH better than swords.

If i'm dueling a guy with a longsword, and i've got a /10 Dagger, while he has a /10 Longsword....

I'll have the upper hand, because of the speed.

~~Datruth

[chazarus]

I've seen daggers hit for that high as well, but that was when daggers with slashes in excess of three hundred were still flying around.  How can you hit for 300 unless you use a lot of potions or cheat?

I hit way over 200 consistently with SW daggers w/o potions or cheats so I dont know what your doing.
The over 300 hits Datruth is talking about is from the old 1000/50 crafted daggers.

[Elvicat]

i doubt that chaz, i have 2 sw ss and hit 300+ and they arent even crafted

[Nikodemus]

Pardon me Datruth, but you don't know what you are taking about. Do you live only in computer games and never go outside? In such case i'm not suprised that you are telling BS. But i have a news for you, a computer game is made basing on the reality, not the other side. Especially PS is. So, go on fresh air with your "real" friend, you take 0,5m stick and to your friend give 1,5m stick and start fighting. I wish you luck in hitting him, before he hit you. Of course hit means you are dead, deeply wounded or dying so the fit ends, because it is how it is.

Zanzibar, none of this is in game, so this are suggestions. I think good ones, especially te one about comparing weapon skills.

[zhai]

The highest I could ever hit with silverweave daggers was 110 per hit.

If you max daggers you can hit over 300 now. Before the damage increase, you could hit for almost 200. I remember it too well because you couldn't one hit kill using daggers, but would leave your oponent (if they had their physical stats maxed) with little health. An arrow would finish the job.

And I found this:

I watched you duel with two other people at the event at the stone face recently. I noticed you did around 220 damage with your daggers in the first duel, more than a silverweave would do. Then I watched as you killed a couple clackers that were wandering around, and your damage was back to the normal 195 or so of a silverweave. At this time, your description showed "Shal is about as strong as you." Then you challenged Acka, someone far weaker than you and I. When the battle started, your description showed "Shal is somewhat stronger than you," and again you hit for 220+ and killed Acka. A couple minutes later, your description again said "Shal is about as strong as you," and you were again hitting clackers at 195.

to which you replied:

My character killed Arka at Baston's request as part of an RP.  I basically murdered her character, it wasn't an "honourable duel".  And no, I didn't use potions, I used the strength spell.

So, you did do 195dmg at one point.