Damage dealt in a single hit by sword.

[Nyramael]

some food for thoughtand random things that cropped up in my mind while reading this thread and in no particular order…

a two inch knife blade puncture perpendiculur to the torso is 98% fatal if left untreated. (don't ask why i know that)

Whatever said a 'knife' will not reach the man inside the heaviest armor available to medieval heavy mounted cavalry.

The devs are constantly changing the combat algorithms so comparing damage is pointless unless you are talking about within days of now. (i've taken a small break and come back to find myself doing twice the damage i was before )

It's important to remember that all weapons have advantages and disadvantages - if you balance everything out then it's just a matter of finding what looks pretty on your character and powerleveling.

In RL, under certain disciplines, a master of paired knives (butterfly knives) can an equivalent master in spear fighting (6 to 9 foot).

The system should be tweaked so that location of strikes will allow for some one hit kills. I think the system is on the way to doing this but the upper range weapons are still too powerful. A battle axe blow, or a claymore to the head by a master should be instant fatality whereas a dagger or a sabre (generally a slashing weapon) should leave the victim staggering and just about close to dead.

When arguing about which weapon should do more damage because it is more effective and more likely to come out the victor you can always throw what if scenarios around: what if the guy with two [long]swords constantly steps back out of range of the daggers and swings his swords which would be in range of the dagger fighter, what if the dagger fighter gets too close to the sword fighter for him to use his swords effectively ad nauseum. Just accept what the devs put in and relate that to the way your character fights that weapon and that other styles of weapon fighting exist but aren't available in yliakum

I could go on about the non-sequiturs of game fighting systems forever… just RP around it i say!

[Nikodemus]

Nyramael and in general others:
Why do you fix your entire imagination and describing on the 1% of the actual fight, which is the final hit? 1% or less, because first you need to have opportunity for this, a moment when your opponent did not dodge, parried, blocked or had not kept the distance. And in that time, the HP are dropping, even if you did not got badly hit, or hit at all.
To add to weapons disadvantages and advantages. What wasn't said is the place where you are fighting. While using a spear as a weapon in a tavern is crazy,  daggers one os the best choice. But try to defeat opponent with spear, having daggers yourself in the middle of nowhere.
That is for those who could fell touched with my statement that using daggers you are on lost position Daggers are very good, but not always.
But saying that daggers are best, because they are the fastest from all weapons is just stupid

[zanzibar]

Pardon me Datruth, but you don't know what you are taking about. Do you live only in computer games and never go outside? In such case i'm not suprised that you are telling BS. But i have a news for you, a computer game is made basing on the reality, not the other side. Especially PS is. So, go on fresh air with your "real" friend, you take 0,5m stick and to your friend give 1,5m stick and start fighting. I wish you luck in hitting him, before he hit you. Of course hit means you are dead, deeply wounded or dying so the fit ends, because it is how it is.

Zanzibar, none of this is in game, so this are suggestions. I think good ones, especially te one about comparing weapon skills.

Right.  If a guy has a claymore / great sword, you'll never get close to him with a knive unless he isn't ready.  However, if his sword isn't at the ready right then and there, he's dead because it takes almost no time to pull a knife on someone and kill them.  That's why in close quarters, knives are actually more dangerous than guns.



@zhai:  Whoa.  I guess you're right!

[bilbous]

Personally If I had to fight a sword wielder with only knives I would start throwing at about 15 meters and hope my skill was sufficient to pick and hit a vulnerable target, not always easy with a tank. Of course, throwing stuff is not implimented yet, however much I want to throw dwarves around.

[Peacer]

to asnwer the thread title in one single reply
what happens
duel
duellists run around (can be seen as they try to hit each other by standing close and fighting)
one hit the other in a single hit/his head falls off
dead
done
goodnight

[Suno_Regin]

Pardon me Datruth, but you don't know what you are taking about. Do you live only in computer games and never go outside? In such case i'm not suprised that you are telling BS. But i have a news for you, a computer game is made basing on the reality, not the other side. Especially PS is. So, go on fresh air with your "real" friend, you take 0,5m stick and to your friend give 1,5m stick and start fighting. I wish you luck in hitting him, before he hit you. Of course hit means you are dead, deeply wounded or dying so the fit ends, because it is how it is.

Zanzibar, none of this is in game, so this are suggestions. I think good ones, especially te one about comparing weapon skills.

No, Niko, you don't know what you're talking about. Sure, the stick and twig thing applies in real life fine, but in this game with the heavy damage, you can get away easily with winning using a /10 dagger against a /10 longsword, because you can 1-hit kill them with the dagger, and attack them twice as fast, as well.

[Nikodemus]

No, Niko, you don't know what you're talking about. Sure, the stick and twig thing applies in real life fine, but in this game with the heavy damage, you can get away easily with winning using a /10 dagger against a /10 longsword, because you can 1-hit kill them with the dagger, and attack them twice as fast, as well.

But i have a news for you, a computer game is made basing on the reality, not the other side. Especially PS is.

[bilbous]

It seems to me there is no difference in the attack range of different weapons yet.

[Suno_Regin]

Sure, everything everyone's saying would apply perfectly, IF they would fix the damage. Right now it's best to use daggers because you can get away with 1-hit killing easily. They need to reduce the damage severely on weapons.

[chazarus]

Pardon me Datruth, but you don't know what you are taking about. Do you live only in computer games and never go outside? In such case i'm not suprised that you are telling BS. But i have a news for you, a computer game is made basing on the reality, not the other side. Especially PS is. So, go on fresh air with your "real" friend, you take 0,5m stick and to your friend give 1,5m stick and start fighting. I wish you luck in hitting him, before he hit you. Of course hit means you are dead, deeply wounded or dying so the fit ends, because it is how it is.

Zanzibar, none of this is in game, so this are suggestions. I think good ones, especially te one about comparing weapon skills.

Right.  If a guy has a claymore / great sword, you'll never get close to him with a knive unless he isn't ready.  However, if his sword isn't at the ready right then and there, he's dead because it takes almost no time to pull a knife on someone and kill them.  That's why in close quarters, knives are actually more dangerous than guns.



@zhai:  Whoa.  I guess you're right!

So you really think its impossible to hit someone with a smaller weapon?
You must be semi retarded then.
1. Idiot with Superduper great sword swings and misses.
   a. Sword is heavy so it keeps going
   b.Stab the hell out of him while his sword is still following thru.
2 You are faster
   a.Run at the idiot and stab him in the neck before he moves

i can kill you with a freakin pencil if you had a sword.

Edited for language. --Karyuu

[Xordan]

I can't believe you people would actually run at someone armed with a big sword with a knife and try and stab them. That if anything is retarded. You _throw_ the knife. You overestimate how long each swing takes and you assume the guy is putting all his strength into huge big swings. That obviously wouldn't be the case. You only attack someone with a knife if:
a) They're armed similarly.
b) They don't know you're there.
c) You're really close to them so they don't have a chance to swing. <-- and this is rarely the case unless you're trying to do it with b).

[chazarus]

Have you ever held a sword IRL?

They are HEAVY.

If you swing to do any kind of damage i.e. kill with one blow like we are talking about you will follow through and it will go behind your back.
I am 225lbs and i have swung a sword and believe me thats what happens.

[Xordan]

Yes I've used several swords IRL and those were not heavy at all. Obviously you haven't or you've only held big iron two-handers the celts used to use. The ones I held were light considering their size and very sharp, so a decent swing would cut through most things. A sword does not have to be thick and weigh loads, even two-handers.

Like these
Or a pair of these

[chazarus]

The second pic is of KNIVES.
And in fact would be in the dagger family.

 

[Xordan]

I was giving a range of examples. The blades on those are still the length of your forearm and a half, barely something you'd stab someone with. Rather you'd chop with them, great for slicing off limbs. 

A nice example of a light two-hander is a Shuangshoujian, which is designed to be used very quickly. It's used in various martial arts like Wushu.