NPC using an expletive?

[Akaye]

bug·ger

(1)Vulgar Slang. A sodomite.
(2)Slang. A contemptible or disreputable person.
(3)Slang. A fellow; a chap: “He's a silly little bugger, then” (John le Carré).
(4)To practice sodomy with.
(5)To damn.

If Malfini is offended he has every right to be. This is what it means to some parts of the world. I know that on poker.com they censor the word. So you guys, quit picking on him. He isn't being childish and he is only trying to communicate how much this word bothers him.

[Malfini]

bug·ger

(1)Vulgar Slang. A sodomite.
(2)Slang. A contemptible or disreputable person.
(3)Slang. A fellow; a chap: “He's a silly little bugger, then” (John le Carré).
(4)To practice sodomy with.
(5)To damn.

If Malfini is offended he has every right to be. This is what it means to some parts of the world. I know that on poker.com they censor the word. So you guys, quit picking on him. He isn't being childish and he is only trying to communicate how much this word bothers him.

I very much appreciate your assistance Akaye . I was trying to help by bringing the meaning of the word to GM/Developer attention. Unfortunately It seems like too many people would rather insult me, than read what is in front of their face.

*Edit*
Karyuu already said that Xordan will try to get the word changed.

[John80sk]

Oh just filter the word, anybody who isn't offended by such words can simply just turn the filter off. 

Honestly, I never got this whole shielding children from "bad words" thing comes from.  To be frank, your kids all swear like sailors from right around kindergarden on.  Probably more so than adults quite simply because it's something that's new, against the rules, and therefor interesting.  This part is just my opinion though.

[Peacer]

Oh just filter the word, anybody who isn't offended by such words can simply just turn the filter off. 

Honestly, I never got this whole shielding children from "bad words" thing comes from.  To be frank, your kids all swear like sailors from right around kindergarden on.  Probably more so than adults quite simply because it's something that's new, against the rules, and therefor interesting.  This part is just my opinion though.

not everyone knows that there is a filter and how to use it.

Maybe Malfini is overreacting, maybe he's not... I think it's easy to say it doesn't need to get filtered out when you see it from your point of view... I don't think that the minority of players who finds this word offencive (10% maybe) should be abused, replacing it with a snonym which was described before (like pest) would be an easy solution.

And in case you wonder, I learned something new today... bugger also means sodomite

[Akaye]

Honestly, I never got this whole shielding children from "bad words" thing comes from.  To be frank, your kids all swear like sailors from right around kindergarden on.

To be frank, ummmmm ... no. My child has decided that she doesn't need to swear. If your child is swearing by kindergarden then you as a parent have to take responsibility and look at the example your setting. Obviously not a good one because the child will be showing your characteristics. After all they do learn from their parents. Children rebel  against rules and their parents .... but that is more toward their teen years when they are developing into adults and finding their own voice. They shouldn't be displaying behavior like swearing in the early stages of their childhood. That suggests the child is in a bad situation and maybe his care givers are not paying enough attention to their behavior or the harmful affects on the child.

[Peacer]

Honestly, I never got this whole shielding children from "bad words" thing comes from.  To be frank, your kids all swear like sailors from right around kindergarden on.

To be frank, ummmmm ... no. My child has decided that she doesn't need to swear. If your child is swearing by kindergarden then you as a parent have to take responsibility and look at the example your setting. Obviously not a good one because the child will be showing your characteristics. After all they do learn from their parents. Children rebel  against rules and their parents .... but that is more toward their teen years when they are developing into adults and finding their own voice. They shouldn't be displaying behavior like swearing in the early stages of their childhood. That suggests the child is in a bad situation and maybe his care givers are not paying enough attention to their behavior or the harmful affects on the child.

Or that he just talks a different way

[Akaye]

Or that he just talks a different way

Let me get this striaght ..... your saying it is ok for a five year old in kindergarden to walk up to another five year old and say F*** off? And just accept it as he talks a different way?

[Peacer]

Or that he just talks a different way

Let me get this striaght ..... your saying it is ok for a five year old in kindergarden to walk up to another five year old and say F*** off? And just accept it as he talks a different way?

no... I'm speaking about different ways to speak. Not that I like the way they speak but I can't change a culture. There's street language where they swear at each other and it could be meant in a positive way.

man1: yo wazzup my nigga
doesn't mean he's his slave just asking how he's doing... that's the way he speaks and has done it in his childhood too.
man2: yo I just fed up my ho
meaning that he gave his wife/girlfriend/fiance something to eat

apoligize for any incorrect or misspoken streetlanguage :p.

This doesn't mean I like the way they speak though. I was just being informative.

[lanser]

I was never allowed to swear as a child so now I rarely swear myself and have never allowed my son to swear and as a result at 13 he doesn't either (that I know of)

With proper parenting the amount of swearing could be dramatically reduced

[Malfini]

I was never allowed to swear as a child so now I rarely swear myself and have never allowed my son to swear and as a result at 13 he doesn't either (that I know of)

With proper parenting the amount of swearing could be dramatically reduced

I completely agree with Lanser .

[Akaye]

Peacer we are talking about kindergarden students. Not young males with the gangsta image. Kindergarden students don't walk around their schools saying those things because the schools wouldn't tolerate it.

[Peacer]

Peacer we are talking about kindergarden students. Not young males with the gangsta image. Kindergarden students don't walk around their schools saying those things because the schools wouldn't tolerate it.

I know this, but you asked for my opinion and I gave an abstract example along with it. My opinion Is long but will be unclear if spoken right now seeing as I'm in school, I got a class and I'm nearly sleeping.

[Pip]

Because I find the change to be unnecessary and silly Well, and for the sake of the discussion. I am curious as to how far you want to take this: do you want to see "bugger" removed from the game entirely, and have players receive warnings for using that word? Should it go onto the official censor list? Do you want it erradicated from PlaneShift forever?

Genuine questions.

I find the use of the word by an NPC unnecessary and silly and a poor example to young people. No one could be offended by a friend calling them "silly bugger" but if a stranger called me a bugger I would be highly offended. I certainly would complain if a shop assistant called me a bugger because I asked them a question. Wouldn't you?

[Peacer]

Because I find the change to be unnecessary and silly Well, and for the sake of the discussion. I am curious as to how far you want to take this: do you want to see "bugger" removed from the game entirely, and have players receive warnings for using that word? Should it go onto the official censor list? Do you want it erradicated from PlaneShift forever?

Genuine questions.

I find the use of the word by an NPC unnecessary and silly and a poor example to young people. No one could be offended by a friend calling them "silly bugger" but if a stranger called me a bugger I would be highly offended. I certainly would complain if a shop assistant called me a bugger because I asked them a question. Wouldn't you?

try looking at it this way, from their point of view... imagine he says "sodomy" instead of "bugger" and you're in their situation

[Idoru]

Oh dear, no offence to anyone in particular but this seems so totally overboard and rediculous to me that I would think it was some sort of sad joke were it not for the length of time that this has run for.

A. Bugger is an entirely acceptable word to the vast majority of people.
B. We chop rogues to pieces but cant say bugger or bastard
C. Are you trying to claim that there is something wrong with sodomy.