NPC using an expletive?

[zanzibar]

No, actually my character is more of the sane sort that doesn't feel like killing anyone who throws an insulting word her way. I think you're taking it OOCly.

So you roleplay differently. Your character sounds more like a pacifist. Congratulations...

So as long as I don't kill random people for stupid reasons, I'm a pacifist?

So I guess you won't mind if someone calls you queer? They might mean you are questionable or suspicious or just plain odd. What about gay?

The difference is between using those words as an adjective or as a noun.  Compare "That fellow seemed a bit queer, despite how gay his mood was." to "He is a queer.  He is a gay."  The meanings are entirely different.  In one context, they are perfectly fine.  In the other, it's hate speach.

If Malfini is offended he has every right to be.

Yup.  People will get offended by anything and everything.  Malfini also has the right to change the chat filters, or to simply not play the game.

[Pip]

A. Bugger is an entirely acceptable word to the vast majority of people.

As I understand it; to you Americans bugger means a pest. To us Britons there is no such use for the word and in the context used by the NPC seems extremely rude. Bugger can be used as an affectionate term among friends; "silly old bugger" "little bugger";  but otherwise is just vulgar slang. Actually according to the Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bugger) the word ought to be accompanied by "little" in order to be inoffensive even in American. I was not allowed to use my own name in PS (Pippa) because in Italian it is slang for a sexual act. That was done in consideration of a MINORITY. How come an NPC is allowed to address players using the same sort of slang. Are Britons not worthy of consideration?

To us the NPC might just as well have been saying ".... he's taking care of F***ers like you"; it would be no more rude.

[zanzibar]

Changing it to "little bugger" makes sense IMO.

[Malfini]

A. Bugger is an entirely acceptable word to the vast majority of people.

As I understand it; to you Americans bugger means a pest. To us Britons there is no such use for the word and in the context used by the NPC seems extremely rude. Bugger can be used as an affectionate term among friends; "silly old bugger" "little bugger";  but otherwise is just vulgar slang. Actually according to the Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bugger) the word ought to be accompanied by "little" in order to be inoffensive even in American. I was not allowed to use my own name in PS (Pippa) because in Italian it is slang for a sexual act. That was done in consideration of a MINORITY. How come an NPC is allowed to address players using the same sort of slang. Are Britons not worthy of consideration?

To us the NPC might just as well have been saying ".... he's taking care of F***ers like you"; it would be no more rude.

Pip, I understand your frustration and I made this thread even though I'm an American. Letting NPC's use vulgar slang but not players would seem like a double-standard. Xordan said that he would try to get the word changed though. Lets hope the word is changed sometime.

Zanzibar, I wouldn't duel someone In-Character for simply insulting me. I would try to settle the dispute In-Character verbally before resorting to dueling.

[zanzibar]

Zanzibar, I wouldn't duel someone In-Character for simply insulting me. I would try to settle the dispute verbally before resorting to dueling.

What about just walking away?


The devs are NOT being hypocritical because they simply don't see the word as vulgur.  There is no double standard.

[Malfini]

Zanzibar, I wouldn't duel someone In-Character for simply insulting me. I would try to settle the dispute verbally before resorting to dueling.

What about just walking away?


The devs are NOT being hypocritical because they simply don't see the word as vulgur.  There is no double standard.

It is a game Zanzibar. The game would not be very exciting if everyone constantly got along In-Character and there was no conflict. There would be no good versus evil or anything of the sort.

Malfini will try to talk with a person first to resolve a conflict. If that doesn't work he MAY challenge them to a duel. If we were not suppose to duel in the game then the challenge/duel feature wouldn't exist.

[Tzim]

im not english, and i dont see nothing wrong in "bugger", and i readed all the definitions possible, this thread is stupid just because any person will actually understand that they want to understand IMO.

I even dont understand how words like sodomite can be marked like rude

[Peacer]

Maybe if we found sodomy in the dictionary

WARNING: link may contain sexually explict material(sp anywhere?)

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sodomy

[Idoru]

As I understand it; to you Americans bugger means a pest. To us Britons there is no such use for the word and in the context used by the NPC seems extremely rude.

I would have to disagree, im English and have never been offended by this word. I think the majority of english people would probably agree with me.

[Edit]

Maybe if we found sodomy in the dictionary

I think we are all well aware of its meaning, except let me clarify that when I said

C. Are you trying to claim that there is something wrong with sodomy.

I was refering to the Biblical usage of the word and not beastiality.

[Janner]

As I understand it; to you Americans bugger means a pest. To us Britons there is no such use for the word and in the context used by the NPC seems extremely rude.

I would have to disagree, im English and have never been offended by this word. I think the majority of english people would probably agree with me.

 I am English, and I am offended by it too, so thats 2-1.

 Also I am offended by Gobble, for the same reason.

[zanzibar]

Malfini will try to talk with a person first to resolve a conflict. If that doesn't work he MAY challenge them to a duel. If we were not suppose to duel in the game then the challenge/duel feature wouldn't exist.

That's horribly flawed logic.

[Idoru]

I dont mean to put words in other peoples mouths, but from his posts on this topic I would guess that Xordan wasnt offended by it.... 2-2

Also I am offended by Gobble, for the same reason.

lmao, now im thinking you are just joking..... I hope 

[Pip]

I would have to disagree, im English and have never been offended by this word. I think the majority of english people would probably agree with me.

So if I say to you; it's buggers like you that let the side down; you will not think I am being rude or offensive?

[Idoru]

So if I say to you; it's buggers like you that let the side down; you will not think I am being rude or offensive?

now, its not the word bugger that I would find rude or offensive in that statement, it would be the 'like you that are letting the side down' that would.

And frankly I think that the name Pippa not being allowed is pretty silly.... and yes, I do know what it means in case anyone was to suggest that is why I think its fine

[Janner]

ERM he is Welsh I believe, but no matter, the point I am trying to make is if someone is offended it should be removed, after all that seams to be a GM stance on names in game, ALSO were do YOU draw the line, with bad words?