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Re: Weapons prices since quality was introduced.
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2006, 05:29:39 am »
Also, those who use multiple clients should be banned, It's not right using more than one client at once, and weapon's dealers/ looters can't be held liable for things cheaters do.
I agree, but only if they're using them to hog spawns.

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Re: Weapons prices since quality was introduced.
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2006, 05:30:36 am »
This thread would seem to have something to say about weapons. Pay attention to the posts from the PS officials. It is a few months old I admit but I have not seen any relevent changes that would make me assume anything like finality has occured. There are plenty of bugged weapons in the game I have at least five with .2 or less speed. The fact that silverweave gives a 5x bonus unless that would make the slash >10 maybe isn't a bug but it is a hack that will likely be changed. If silverweave has magical properties it is very unlikely that more would equal less of course magic does not have to follow logic. I suspect what they should really do is tweek it so that the rate made  the longsword about 10 slash and everything smaller would be proportional to that. They probably are not changing it because it is not that important and it will eventually be quite different.


All my money goes on training, which includes buying potions so I do not have to stand aroud for twenty minutes between fights in order to heal. It is a little more expensive but you also loot more in the same period.

It is crummy because it is the result of unbalanced code that remains because it works and besides it is all going to change. No disrespect to the devs is intended here.

Hmm in the world I live in there are two kinds of psychopaths, the ones that do horrible things and get locked up or worse and those who do horrible things of a different nature and rise to the top of the business and ruling elite.
The latter take care of each other until they get the chance to destroy their rivals with no risk to themselves. They can be quite sociable if they put their mind to it even if it is just a facade.  They take care of each other because they know that if the masses ever thought it possible ... well look at what happened to Marie Antoinette and her friends. Of course that happened when some not quite so well connected psychos managed to stir up the masses and ride them to power. It has happened before and it will happen again except it can't happen in the game because you can't do anything to someone who doesn't allow it.


As far as the multiclienting goes I am positive it goes on all the time but I have no proof, circumstantial evidence at best. I might even be wrong and people just like to have conversations when they are standin on top of dlayo and his two cohorts amoung others. If I am not fighting a particular mob I try to stand away from it although I do not always remember.


AS far as the iron axe goes I haven't used it since the weapon degrading has come into effect. Why would I when I can kill anything without it and using it would just degrade it? I tell you what, I'll sacrifice it and my iron mailed longsword of stone to a GM for distruction if you do the same with two weapons of equal value. That is a /10 axe and a /8.8 longsword. I am sure we could trust a GM to dispose of them in such a way as to remove them from the game if that is what was asked of them.

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Re: Weapons prices since quality was introduced.
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2006, 06:18:25 am »
There are weapons with a speed of .2?  Just how much time are you spending in the arena?  I've never seen anything like that before.


What the heck do psychopaths have to do with anything in this thread?
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« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2006, 06:28:14 am »
AS far as the iron axe goes I haven't used it since the weapon degrading has come into effect. Why would I when I can kill anything without it and using it would just degrade it? I tell you what, I'll sacrifice it and my iron mailed longsword of stone to a GM for distruction if you do the same with two weapons of equal value. That is a /10 axe and a /8.8 longsword. I am sure we could trust a GM to dispose of them in such a way as to remove them from the game if that is what was asked of them.

I'm not the one who doesn't need his /10 weapons, or his /8 weapons.
You feel them crummy and useless, i do not.
If you truly feel that way, which i think is a game, then you would dispose of them or sell them to me for 50k.
Doing neither shows your attachment to them.

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« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2006, 11:17:09 am »
Personally im very attatched to my decent weapons :love:. It took alot of time and effort to get them. That is also why I will no longer use them :D
I guess that makes them pretty worthless as weapons now but at least I can keep them as collectors pieces until the next w*pe.

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Re: Weapons prices since quality was introduced.
« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2006, 06:25:15 pm »
There are weapons with a speed of .2?  Just how much time are you spending in the arena?  I've never seen anything like that before.

I have 2 weapons that are .2 speed, and I only occationaly spend time in the arena.
I have also seen items with faster speeds than that.

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« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2006, 10:28:21 pm »
I spend most of the time that I am doing stuff in the arena. I occaisionally go elsewhere but that is mostly what I do. I spend some time making a donkey of my self in front of harn either socialising or just being an irratic pest. The decimal speed weapons are as I said bugged and I have more than I thought as some weapons I keep for their other qualities turned out to have those speed. The psychopaths came in the thread in response to your posts which I will summarize as "let's all be hippies and live in a commune", i.e. the ones where you stress the importance of player cooperation. I was merely showing that the world is not full of cooperators and perhaps we should not enforce that style of existence on the players.

Datruth:  Why the heck would I sell them to you?  I could always use them to level up my alts although they would not last long enough to get the alt I gave them to very far. 

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Re: Weapons prices since quality was introduced.
« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2006, 04:08:03 am »
I never said "let's all be hippies and live in a commune".  I said that people who work together will be able to accomplish more than those who work alone.
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« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2006, 11:14:16 am »
Datruth:  Why the heck would I sell them to you?  I could always use them to level up my alts although they would not last long enough to get the alt I gave them to very far. 

Oh so i see, when you use weapons that kill with one hit, it's o.k

But when Other players use weapons that kill with one hit... it's not o.k... and it's exploiting a bug.

I think that's called Hypocracy, and i'd have to say, you do not believe SWSS's and weapons of that same kind are bugged, for if you had such a problem with them, you yourself would not Exploit their power.

Saying i'm against people using slaves, and using them myself, again is hypocrisy and is wrong.

Either call them bugged and overpowered and Dispose of them, or Relish their power and use them, you can't do both morally.

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Re: Weapons prices since quality was introduced.
« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2006, 10:41:13 pm »
Think what you want Dat I didn't say I was going to use them, if fact I previously said that I wasn't, I said I could.  Besides as long as it is officially acceptable to use them there is no reason why I shouldn't. That doesn't mean I cannot lobby to change policy at the same time.

Maybe I'll go do some ulber hunting and go toe to toe with 50 potions in one hand and my iron axe in the other. Unfortunately I don't believe you can put potions in your hand or that you would be able to use them if you did. If you were able to equip a stack of potions in your hand such that that hand did not attack would it still be unacceptable to use potions during battle? What is the appropriate usage rate for a potion, is it faster than a dagger attack or longer than a claymore or somewhere in between? Does it depend on previous preparation? Would it be better if you could buy different sized containers that would hold multiple uses of potions? Would a dwarf with an axe in one hand and a keg of beer in the other be able to ignore pain better and fight longer?

Will I ever stop asking questions and giving opinions?

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Re: Weapons prices since quality was introduced.
« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2006, 10:48:21 pm »
Will I ever stop asking questions and giving opinions?

Uh..... I don't think the problem is that you ask questions and give opinions.  I think the problem is that you started to go offtopic and you kinda ignored the points Datruth made and questions Datruth asked of you.
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Re: Weapons prices since quality was introduced.
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2006, 12:12:08 am »
Think what you want Dat I didn't say I was going to use them, if fact I previously said that I wasn't, I said I could.  Besides as long as it is officially acceptable to use them there is no reason why I shouldn't. That doesn't mean I cannot lobby to change policy at the same time.

Ohh i see now  ;)

As long as it's officially acceptabe by law to use slaves, i'll use them, while lobbying to give them freedom.
Again... hypocracy.

And no i can't force you to do anything, all i said was basically, put your money where your mouth is, if such and such weapons are wrong, get rid of them, you folded your hand and said..... well.... i could always use them, and it's not WRONG to use them.

From a Legal Standpoint, you're right Bilbous, It is not wrong to use them now, it's fine.
From a Moral Standpoint, after having lobbied against them and those who use them, it is wrong to use them.

And thank you zanzibar for your post  :D, maybe now he'll answer this question head on, if he'll use them or lose them.

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« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2006, 12:23:43 am »
Your over the top rhetoric about slavery is unjustified and cheapens the discussion. Are you really equating a disagreement over rules in a on-line game with the ownership and degradation of humans? Why should I take anything you say seriously if you are and why should I take seriously anyone who supports that position?

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« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2006, 12:45:20 am »
Your over the top rhetoric about slavery is unjustified and cheapens the discussion. Are you really equating a disagreement over rules in a on-line game with the ownership and degradation of humans? Why should I take anything you say seriously if you are and why should I take seriously anyone who supports that position?

Fine, it's o.k, don't take me seriously, and forget i said anything lol  :)

I hate running around in circles with people, and at this point i will just drop it, if you don't see how your actions are morally wrong, then i can't help you anymore.

AS for the thread, Weapon prices have dropped much more than i thought, I had trouble selling my Iron Short sword, which is a /8, I was only asking 150k for it to, but it seems that's a bit too much...

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Re: Weapons prices since quality was introduced.
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2006, 12:54:10 am »
Maybe that is because 150k for a weapon that won't last much more than a couple weeks of regular use is ludicrous.