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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2006, 12:15:18 am »
hmmm i usually call people "good sir Klyros" when i dont know their name so id prolly call a dwarf "sir Dwarf or good sir dwarf" same with females "good lady Dwarf"

i know this is a medieval setting but not everything in the medieval life was pre set... sure youd expect a noblewoman to be called lady, but why cant a kind stranger in a far away land call someone they meet sir or lday? to me its jsut a courteous gesture...like saying m'am.
ive never used lord though, to me that jsut has connotations of someone having some kind of power over you...maybe if they are officially recognized mybes, but i usually prefer to use the terms Sir and Lady

i dunnos, in game i just try to be respectful adn treat everyone as an equal. if they prefer not to be called something than they can tell me and i wont call them that.

other than that instead of calling a dwarf a man or a woman you could just say female or male. like saying "yes, i was tlaking to this lovely dwarf the other day" "oh who was it?" "oh i dont recall the name, but it was this sweet female dwarf who wished to not be called lady."

etc etc...

with the whole fenki and menki things, those are part of the dialect i suppose... menki like male-enki instead of just saying an enki. with dwarfs a fdwarf or a mdwarf jsut doesnt roll of the toungue right...i dunnos

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2006, 05:19:48 am »
ggmm believe the fenkifad started with the devs ;)

They shortened it to that with the models. Stil it is very PS even if it that start as OOC slang first ;)
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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2006, 05:47:03 am »
ggmm believe the fenkifad started with the devs ;)

They shortened it to that with the models. Stil it is very PS even if it that start as OOC slang first ;)
I hate it, actually. It's an obvious tech-style abbreviation for one thing, and it IMO is lacking respect. I'll never call anyone M/F-enki IC-ly. Not even "Enki". It's Enkidukai.
Regarding the gender specifics, I think one should simply use "woman" and "man", since it can, as has been said, be assumed that the terms have gotten to refer to members of all races. I think that those who are offended by being called "man" are simply looking for something to complain about, or they haven't realised that "man" can mean either "guy" or "human", and that the context usually makes things pretty clear. Furthermore, I consider it rude to call someone by their race ("Hey, dwarf!"). If an additional qualifier is used ("good dwarf") it can be OK, but might easily sound condescending.
For Kran I haven't found a suitable word, though, since "thing" sounds stupid, even though technically correct. Possibly in this particular case the term of the species may have become term for the individuals as well (similar to "man" and "human" in RL english).

If talking in third person, and the race matters, then I think using "(fe)male <race>" or "<race[suffix]> (wo)man" is most suitable.

Also, I consider "sir" and "lady" as something you'd call those who you respect or who you have to pretend to respect (like superiors). It's IMO not necessarily related to nobility (or rather, officials, as nobles don't seem to actually exist, given the settings' take on government), and more or less something that one with decent manners would call most people.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2006, 05:52:04 am by Seytra »

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2006, 07:16:48 am »
i dunnos if calling someone a fenki or menki is lacking in respect, its what they are

i dunnos about the whole woman and man things, simply because "man" denotes a hu-man


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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2006, 07:27:10 am »
I think you can safely refer to Kran as "buddy" due to their method of reproduction although some might get offended. I refer to male and female non-Kran as soft-skins or some such nonsense but maybe I am just being shelfish.

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2006, 11:49:33 am »
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I think you can safely refer to Kran as "buddy" due to their method of reproduction although some might get offended.

Lol, IMO that is excellent. well thought ;)

Anyone can call Idoru 'Master' if they want, I wont be offended  :P

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2006, 01:25:50 pm »
i dunnos if calling someone a fenki or menki is lacking in respect, its what they are
Just get some proof that it is part of ekidukai language and it will be ok. Otherwise, what Seytra said is correct.
Oh, and Nikodemus thinks so too it's not showing respect, so don't be suprised if he wlil be unfriendly after hearing it.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2006, 01:27:50 pm by Nikodemus »



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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2006, 03:23:38 pm »
After thinking about it, Bud might be better than Buddy for a Kran you don't know well.

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2006, 03:51:11 pm »
I find it fun to think up the most impolite nouns for each race. (Since my characters tend to be lacking in social finesse, so to speak :P)

Rayjak tends to call Enkidukai 'kitties' or 'catmen', Krans 'statues' or 'golems', Klyros' 'lizards' or 'blue-bloods', etc.

Surprisingly few people take offence...

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2006, 04:56:50 pm »
I like to refer to enkis as funky regardless of gender. Have not done it much lately though.

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2006, 05:15:38 pm »
emeraldfool, if only you were acting ICly...



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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2006, 09:04:36 pm »
i dunnos if calling someone a fenki or menki is lacking in respect, its what they are
Being something doesn't mean that being called it is not rude. Imagine being called "mammal" IRL. Also, going by this terminology, we'd come to use "Mderm", "Fstoneb" and such.
i dunnos about the whole woman and man things, simply because "man" denotes a hu-man
I have come to believe that in Yliakums common tongue, the word "man" would almost certainly not refer to humans, but exclusively to male members of any race, and that "human" is reserved to mean "member of human race". After all, unlike IRL, in Yliakum, interchanging "man" for "human" would cause much confusion so this mixup would get abandoned pretty quickly. In fact, it's happening right now, and this is with us not even actually living in Yliakum, and after only very few years!

I'm not happy with "Bud(dy)" for Kran, though. It has, at least for me, a connotation of either kinship or disrespect.

@Emeraldfool: "blue-bloods"? I'd be pretty surprised if any race's (except Kran) blood were not red. Even if, I don't know of any RL instances of blue blood or bloodlike substance.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2006, 09:10:43 pm by Seytra »

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2006, 10:03:33 pm »
Arent we all the elite ?
dose it not say that any who emerge from the death realm are heros or master somethings ?
So either they change the settings, or everyone get used to being called a lord or a lady, master or sir, or whatever respectfull term is appropriate. Once some one gets to know you, then they will address you as you like.

I would much preffer respectfull terms instead of what is used on the streets today.

PS: how about 'chip' for a Kran :D

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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2006, 10:53:33 pm »
Personally i think Sir or Lady is the correct terms..its what i use to refer to male or female of all races.
Its not exactly a superior term just a polite term IMO.

Some one say Hi dwarf to me then i'd reply simply Hi [insert race here] i wouldn't be offended but wouldn't reply in a polite way either  :D
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Re: Gender specific terms for dwarfs
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2006, 11:34:15 pm »
This brings another issue... at least for me...
Like said by Arka... " I'll even let you call me 'Lady' Arka as a concession to your mannish obsession with titles and gender "

Is it right to say 'Lady' 'Sir' or 'Lord' ?
Since this is a medieval-like RPG there are manners that we should observe.
Like be polite and use words like Lady, Sir, Lord.

What about the other races (except Kran) that have females... is it good to use those titles?


Sir, Lady, and Lord are all titles... thats like walking up to someone on the street and calling them mayor...

Sir = Knight
Lady = female Lord
Lord = leader of an estate under decree of a king or clergy
« Last Edit: December 15, 2006, 11:36:24 pm by Ithorius »