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Nikodemus

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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2007, 02:30:32 pm »
Really, building without windows is cheaper than with windows. So, the smaller the windows, the cheaper the house. Some people just won't care about small windows. They will be happy to have roof above head. Wealth isn't as common as you could say, today.

But please people don't refer too much to what we have currently in game. For example glass potions: The only reason why they are cheap is because every damn MMORPG has these and in large quantities, because players want their char to be healed fast. I'm in huge oposition to this, not only because the life turns too easy and not enough risky (rush is sign of present times). But also because people wonder: why glass is expensive if we have glass potions for 50 tria.
Next question could be, why people care about money when we (players) have more of them than enough.



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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2007, 02:38:16 pm »
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Maybe Yliakum is a forward thinking society ahead of its time, Recycling is mandatory and the guards cut your hand off if you dispose of the potion flasks in a way that they cannot be reused by the vendor ;)

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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2007, 10:46:00 pm »
Yeah, too much speculation, too little fact. At this point, we're lucky to get a straight answer as to why we all seem to be immortal, let alone the part about small windows and draft temperatures...

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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2007, 06:20:40 am »
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why glass is expensive if we have glass potions for 50 tria.


Maybe Yliakum is a forward thinking society ahead of its time, Recycling is mandatory and the guards cut your hand off if you dispose of the potion flasks in a way that they cannot be reused by the vendor ;)

Who said the potion containers have to be made of glass? Maybe they're made of leather (look in any medieval reference for the term "jack" and you'll find it.) Maybe they're made of wood, and possibly waxed to prevent leakage. Both of these options would justify "throwing away" the potion container when you're done drinking the potion since they're easy to come by and biodegradable. If there was recycling, then drinking a potion would replace your potion with an empty flask.

There's no need to assume glass yet. :)

Heck, you also assumed that small windows meant using candles while overlooking the fact that creating light with magic is also possible. Maybe the house has a heatless light orb that's passed down through generations. Who knows? ;)

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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2007, 07:52:59 am »
So every single person must have a white globe? considering it costs 1000tria to even get the materials to cause such a spell, and for every single person in there run down houses to have one! I think not! =P

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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2007, 01:13:32 am »
I doubt the core would heat the bottom levels much more than the top.  I'm no thermodynamics major, but I think the distance would need to be much greater, unless it's sitting above magma (but it isn't, it's a lake).  On the other hand, if the lake is heated enough, the hot rising air could warm the lower levels without doing much to the upper (though the perimiter of all levels under the ceiling (I think that was 3+) would be warmed slightly, though not as much as the smaller bottom levels.

I've seen snow in Hydlaa, so unless that is an idiosyncrasy, it can reach freezing.  But speaking of snow, there's another temperature problem.  In reality, snow occurs because water vapor freezes when it rises .  The extra heat from the sun doesn't occur until very high, past the layers that block much of the radiation.  The ground is warm because the ground absorbs the heat from the sun and then radiates it back out gradually, but up in the air there is no ground, so you only get the first dose.  In Yliakum, rising means getting closer to the crystal.  Unless the crystal is many many miles above, so that an atmosphere like earth's forms, the water wouldn't freeze and form snow.  It would rise, then get hotter.  I guess it would either collect, escape upward through cracks, or condense on the walls and run back down along the edges.  It would run along towards the crystal, but it would get vaporized again, so only the vapor that winds up by the sides could condense and fall.

So maybe the ceiling that isn't near the center by the crystal is cool enough to condense the water and allow "rain" to drip from the small stalactites and bumps, or sheet along the sides of the walls.  If it's cold enough, it could freeze the water into snow.  That could be possible, considering how wide Yliakum is, and that the cieling wouldn't get the full burst of the crystal, just part (like at winter, when the sun is at an angle).  For example, look at the ceiling away from the ceiling light.  It's probably a little darker than the rest of the room, especially if the room is wide with a bumpy ceiling and a close floor.

For the lower levels, they may be far enough away for some kind of mid-air condensation to occure.  The faces of the cliffs probably don't get as much light either, so they'd be a little cooler and not radiate as much heat into the air, and in the middle where there is no land, it would be cooler.  If there is some kind of heat from below to warm up the bottom, the middle air would be even more likely to cool enough for condensation because the below heat would never pass directly through the air like the crystal's does.  So it would just be the heat radiated from the ground.


As for light, there is another possible source.  Glowing objects.  This is all underground after all, so maybe there are phosphorescent animals in the tunnels or lakes.  They could possibly be processed into glowing paint, or even kept as pets.  Then there is the possibility for artificial glowing things, wither by science or magic.

The glowing items made by magic don't have to be expensive.  They would for random George to go and learn magic to make it, but they may be able to buy them cheaper.  Look at a newspaper.  How much do you suppose a printing press costs?  Much more than the paper, that's for sure.  The cost of learning the magic is a one-time cost.  What the consumer worries about is the cost of ingredients and time to make the "globe".  The globe-maker will eventually pay off his investment and start earning profits, as long as he sells them for more than the expense of actually making one.  That isn't to say they'd be cheap, but they may be affordable.

Another thing about windows:  Have you seen that funky area in Hydlaa with the one-way walls?  Something similar could be done to make entire walls of your house transparent.  However, that would probably be very expensive, even if some wizard mass-produced them.  It's a remote possibility, but I thought I'd mention it.
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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2007, 01:27:28 am »
Some interesting points ^_^
So is magic really that afordable? Can every Tom, Dick and Harry gain a little spell knowledge? How rich are these citizens?
I for one tho, knowing the fate of sitting infront of a computer all day or such, would much prefer natural light then lightbulbs, But would these spells/creatures have the same type of natural light emmitted? Find out next time, on CSI: Hydlaa.  8)

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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2007, 05:02:15 am »
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Can every Tom, Dick and Harry gain a little spell knowledge? How rich are these citizens?

According to the PS economy document, an average farmer makes approximately 250 tria a month. Therefore, purchasing a glyph at 1000 tria might take a long time for a farmer. After all, don't they say diamond rings should cost two months' salary? Now double that. Mind you, glyphs could be passed down through generations. If merchant families can afford pterosaurs that cost substantially more, glyphs would be relatively common in the middle and upper classes.

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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2007, 05:21:10 am »
I think maybe I wasn't clear enough.  I meant that somebody who does have money decides to produce these "magic lights", and then sell them to everyone else for a more affordable sum.  That person doesn't need to sell them for 1000 tria.  That may be the initial cost for the glyph, but that cost is ignored.  It is the initial investment, the same as when somebody decides to start a printing company.  The cost that Tom, Dick and Harry pay is the cost of the actual materials to make the globe, and the time and effort by the mage who does it.

In other words, they pay for some eye of cat, tail of glowing newt, and a couple hours of the mage's time.

I don't know how much those ingredients cost, but it's probably much much less than the glyphs that the creator would need.

The thing is more complicated than that, with things like demand and effort factoring in, and it probably requires more than one basic glyph, but you get the idea.  When you buy a newspaper, you pay for the paper, ink, operating cost, and manpower, not the printing press.  Actually, you pay for less than that because of advertisements, but that's making things more complicated than they need to be.

Now, the first couple batches that the mage makes might be a little more expensive as he tries to get his money back quickly, but after whatever loans he may have taken out to start are paid, the price would level out.
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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2007, 05:46:35 pm »
Remember, some races can see in the dark, I.E. Enkidukai, Klyros, Dermorians, Nolthrir, Diaboli, and Ynnwn.
Others can see heat. (Not as good as night vision, but better than nothing)
Pretty much only Ylians and Xacha would have a problem with darkness.

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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2007, 06:06:08 pm »
Ooh, good first post. :)

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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2007, 06:31:18 pm »
Pretty much only Ylians and Xacha would have a problem with darkness.
And the Hydlaa buildings style is exactly Ylians style or Xacha ;P I can remember for sure tha Xacha did the temple.



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Re: Very little windows
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2007, 09:22:14 am »
* Under the moon chuckles at the silly people.

Look at the buildings. Look at the city. Then look at the Settings.

First, the buildings. They are obviously old, judging by the plasterwork. The windows are small, vertical, and narrow, and none adorn the ground floor. The upper stories jut out over the ground floor as well.

Second, the city. The streets are twisted and narrow at times, offten with bottlenecks. The city is surrounded by a huge wall with huge gates.

Last, the Settings. The land is filled with creatures that dispise the races. In the past, they have attemped to invade the lands of the races.

Come on, put it together. The entire city is made for defence. If the walls are breached, the streets would be hard to take. If the streets were taken, then the people could fall back to the houses, which have no easy access through glass windows. A bow can still be shot through the narrow windows, while still protecting the defender. Finally, the overhang makes it very difficult to climb the walls to get to the windows, and shooters from other buildings and take any climbers out.

Any new buildings might have larger windows due to the people feeling safer, since the creatures do not seem to attack the city anymore.

As to the light issue, people in medieval times were outside working when it was light. When it got dark, they went to sleep. Actually, this was the way it was until even a few hundred years ago.