Dark empire discussion

[bilbous]

@Nurahk

No problem. The empire is the law and you are the Secret Police, nothing dishonorable there.

At least that is the impression I am left with. Enjoy your hypocrisy it does not bother me in the slightest.

@ Zanzibar as I said could be many reasons not least of which would be unwanted patrons with a knife at my wifes throat or merely some perceive slight or philosophical disagreement. If you wish to leave it at that mere hypothetical situation I was about to leave the thread.

[Nurahk]

Haha, Bilbous.

I'm sorry to hear that you think standing up for your friends and punishing prejudice is dominating the world.
Enjoy trolling the rest of the threads in the Hydlaa, it does not bother me in the slightest.

Two people can play at the annoying person who jumps to conclusions

[zanzibar]

@ Zanzibar as I said could be many reasons not least of which would be unwanted patrons with a knife at my wifes throat or merely some perceive slight or philosophical disagreement. If you wish to leave it at that mere hypothetical situation I was about to leave the thread.

DE members tend to leave alone people who aren't a threat to the guild.  The same is true for the DC and most other guilds I've looked at.

I also have a hard time seeing a DE member murdering your wife for no reason... they aren't a bunch of psychopaths.  That's even the reason why one of my characters was kicked from their guild.

So yeah, I think you said what you said just to upset people.

[lordraleigh]

Ad Hominens

And Secret Police is a bad comparison, most usually have one intelligence agency and one secret police right?

But I readed something about "inquisitors" somewhere 

[Nurahk]

There was a time when we were thinking of having an inquisitor.  He would only
act within the guild and in the end, the idea was scraped and the Empire moved
on.

Ad Hominens, heh.  The Forum is an archive of logical fallacies

[bilbous]

Another less drastic reason might be that the Imperial Brewers guild wanted to get my recipe and I had every intention to take it to my grave. If you can't handle hypothetical situations that is not my fault. To assume it is impossible for me to have a valid reason for not wanting Imperials in my establishment and must perforce accept them is not honorable in any way I can think. It is not different than "do what I say or you are dead." Don't blame me for your "hidden agenda" .

BTW the guy with the knife was your enemy, why would an Imperial make me put up a sign disallowing Imperials. I am just standing up for anyone who might not like your guild for some reason why would you call that trolling? Good for the gander eh?

[ThomPhoenix]

ThomPhoenix, you've been such a jerk in this thread.  Eceutas is a bit new, so what?  Big deal.  Why are you picking on him so much?  IRC wasn't a big enough playground for you?

Hmm, let me have fun sometimes! I think I was politely teaching him for his arrogance.
I do not understand you last remark though, I practically never visit #planeshift?

[Nurahk]

Another less drastic reason might be that the Imperial Brewers guild wanted to get my recipe and I had every intention to take it to my grave. If you can't handle hypothetical situations that is not my fault. To assume it is impossible for me to have a valid reason for not wanting Imperials in my establishment and must perforce accept them is not honorable in any way I can think. It is not different than "do what I say or you are dead. Don't blame me for your "hidden agenda" .

BTW the guy with the knife was your enemy, why would an Imperial make me put up a sign disallowing Imperials. I am just standing up for anyone who might not like your guild for some reason why would you call that trolling? Good for the gander eh?

Interesting, my favourite part of you post is where you take the word debate

If you bring up a reason, I would debate with you.

And turn it into kill you if you don't change your mind.

[bilbous]

Forgive me for assuming that the steps you laid out were to be your operating procedure, you did not say you would accept my right to keep you out.

[Nurahk]

No I didn't.
Didn't see the need to.  Debate means that I may be wrong, otherwise I would have said change your mind.

But then, people hear what they want to.

Anything else?

[bilbous]

If you didn't, it would be prejudice and you'd learn to respect your fellow men

on the heels of

If you bring up a reason, I would debate with you

is most disturbing. You might label my reasons as excuses after the debate and proceed to the next step which would lead to you having to kill me or completely disable me such that I would be in no position to oppose your will if I was sufficiently intractable. You still have not said you would respect my rights as shop owner and instruct your minions that my establishment is off-limits. If you do not concede that would do that the rest is pointless. I really don't care as I was just trying to get a better idea of where your guild stands and I see it is nothing but the velvet glove.

[Nurahk]

In which case the shopkeeper is a vile man who holds prejudices for no reason.

Yes, I would teach him to respect his fellow man.  As I would any bigot.
And the rest of your post is assumption and mostly you trying to grasp on to the false feeling that you are correct.
It's alright to be wrong, it's how we learn.

I would accept any reason that wasn't down right idiotic.

To expand:
If the reason was quite valid, I would bring it to the high council and we would try to resolve the problem.
If the reason was valid but, not really worthy of the punishment, I would ignore it and order Imperials to stay away.
If the reason was stupid, I'd advise Imperials to stay away.

[zanzibar]

I am just standing up for anyone who might not like your guild for some reason why would you call that trolling?

You aren't standing up for anyone.  You're just trying to cause trouble.  I can handle hypothetical situations, but the examples you posted are silly and inflammatory.  You're trying to start a flame war, nothing more and nothing less.

[bilbous]

@ Nurahk I will accept that last statement even though it leaves you room to define any reason as idiotic because to continue really would be idiotic. I may be wrong but I doubt that if I was right you would be able to admit it publicly as it would attract a type of player you might not want. I will reserve final judgment until more facts are on the table. The proof is in the pudding and the Tapioca has not yet congealed. I do remain unconvinced that fish eyes and glue can possibly be a tasty concoction.

@ Zanzibar:

[lordraleigh]

NKVD is agreed by YOU!!

Call the firefighters!