The Winch -- What are they thinking?

[drah]

"The Entry to the winch is more difficult than you now assume. Doing the same thing over and over in a loop will not change anything."

Does that mean we don't need to get a response from Raithen any more? 

Does that mean, technically... that if nobody else was to visit Raithen for a week... and I asked him each day for a quest... he would never give it? (I personally experienced the opposite of this... however, I got an old quest repeated rather than anything new!)

1. I'd really like to explore the new area.
2. I follow the advice at the Winch Door
3. Then Raithen acts like he doesn't know what the Winch Door is, refuses to give out quests, etc.

This is why people are getting frustrated... because the sign at the Winch Door... and Raithens behavior.. contradict one another!

[Proteous]

Drah i have tried to ask these questions, but they are being very nicely ignored.. I think you will find that they are ignorant and dont wish to tell us anything.

[Janner]

  I think the real reason for no more access is, they have yet to explain what and how, it came to be, sorry but can not explain, as it would be a spoiler.

[Proteous]

OK people i would like to retract something i said in a previous post and appologise to the settings team for my own error.

Raithen DOES in fact give you information regarding access to the winch. you just need to use the correct wording to get him to talk.
As this is the case i appologise for ranting earlier..

Proteous will continue to work his way in to the winch.

[Coneitic]

must be a leveler and quester to hold a role cruitial for rp.

devs really hit the nail on the head on this one.

[lordraleigh]

must be a leveler and quester to hold a role cruitial for rp.

devs really hit the nail on the head on this one.

Testers first, players second, roleplayers third 

[Parallo]

Testers first, players second, roleplayers third 

That's not quite right. Think of it as the Divine Trinity in the Roman Catholic religion. Three parts, one God: Three different aspects to playing, one player.

[Gharan]

Is anyone going to post some screenshots of the Winch for us non-questers? 

[ThomPhoenix]

Please read the Screenshots! thread from this post on, there is plenty there.

[Gharan]

Looks great shame my characters will never see it. 

[drah]

Just to try to eliminate my problems here...

I've done the Dark Circle Ring quest... but have since deleted it from my list of completed quests.

Will it still be considered as a completed pre-requisite to the 2nd quest... or will it NOT?

If it will not... then I'm kinda stuck as I'm not even getting that first quest again any more.

(and was wondering whether the timed lock-out could interfere with the re-assigning of the first quest?)

[Gharan]

I've done very few quests since 0.3.014 and have took many again and discarded so the chances of me seeing the place are very slim unless I quest 'til 0.5.

[Polecat]

Just to try to eliminate my problems here...

I've done the Dark Circle Ring quest... but have since deleted it from my list of completed quests.

Will it still be considered as a completed pre-requisite to the 2nd quest... or will it NOT?

If it will not... then I'm kinda stuck as I'm not even getting that first quest again any more.

(and was wondering whether the timed lock-out could interfere with the re-assigning of the first quest?)

[I had also deleted the first quest.  I had to compete with other CP's in order to obtain that quest again so it looks like it was on some timeout, but I cannot say if that was the winch quest one or whether someone else had just obtained the Dark Circle Ring quest, I did receive it eventually though.
I then obtained and lost the winch quest twice for various reasons, (timeout and some wierd game bug), before completing it on the third attempt.]

Alecin

[Ecuetas]

Perhaps I can offer some insight. I've done, several quests for the Shadow, and Sunshine Squadrons. Only then was I am to say "I need a quest" and in return got permission to enter the winch, as for the lock that has supposedly been placed. I spent a good portion of yesterday exploring the winch in search of this lock, with the NPC server down I have nothing better to do except waste time proving or disproving theories and conjections. No lock was found. but I explored the fortress, and every builds door primarily. Im currently in search of a higher metallurgy trainer. I have not, checked the two towers in the Winch, or the fences. But why put them there? But as for access. You need a certain amount of Sunshine and Shadow Squadron quests completed. My quests that were completed were erased in the wipe, atleast the logs, and have no outside source to confirm how many quests I did for either. But I assure you it's atleast 8, 4 each.

[TomT]

I’m not surprised a restricted area in PS is causing uproar.  So far, in the five plus years I believe this is a first.  It is really not that big a deal.  It has some beautiful parts; I particularly like the architecture and stained glass windows of the winch house.   But it is still just a relatively small map. 

In a way there are some similarities between players needing to gain access to this area and the players who power level.  If you are a player who wants to max out every skill and own the most powerful weapons, I can see how frustrating this can be for you.  You see this as some silly puzzle designed to impede your progress to uber player.  Well here is a spoiler for you - you need to find a new game.

What we are trying to create are new possibilities of RPing.  In this case there is a gate with a guard that only allows those recognized by the inner circle of merchants to enter.  It does not matter if you are very rich.  It also does not matter how well you are known about the plaza.  If you are playing merchant or powerful townsfolk it would be in your best interest if you found out a little bit about the NPCs that control the winch.  Complete some quests and network.  If you have a merchant related guild, I think in the long run it would be important to you for one or more guild members to gain access to this area.

If you are playing another type of player we hope to at some point provide you with something of your own.  If you are an adventurer, then I would think you would be more interested in fame and fortune then wondering about someone else’s place of business.  For those who are playing roles with interest that run against or parrell to the merchants in the winch area we will weave you into the settings of this area as best we can as soon as we can.

And as Xillix said, think of this as a new possibility not as a new limitation.