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[zanzibar]

@Drahlian: I often use meteor and flame spire for dramatic effects.  There have been a few new monsters, including the zombie rogues, and I think the gladiators and fanatics with names are relatively new as well.  The NPC client has always been up and down for this or that reason.  Magic is useful in duels -- you just have to keep your distance, which is easy enough.  It also forces the other person to be aggressive if they're doing something weird or cheap.  And again, I use magic for dramatic effect when fighting weaker players.  It gives them an opportunity to yield.  Controls can be customized.

The problem you had with a Game Master is one that I've had as well with not one but two GMs.  The problem is that those GMs simply don't understand the rules.  Game Masters are in fact allowed to move players to positions other than the death realm, provided they are the victim of a bug.  Being stuck in the map is a bug.  So the problem isn't the GM team in general; the problem is the unwillingness to listen that certain Game Masters practice.

As far as the Dwarvesbane war.... racism is outside of the settings, so you're on thin ice with that one.

[Drahlian]

A lot of new monster skins have been added. Did you visit Ojaveda recently?

Hmm. Today, there are rogues and rats in Oja. 14 months ago, there were rogues and rats in Oja. Doesn't look any different to me.

Character skins and animations: Some models can now sit and wave. Others cannot. Most models now have basic skins for armor.

We have got visible armour and a lot of new animations for existing races. That's progress to me.

Yes, that's why I mentioned them in my post. However I would disagree with the phrase "a lot of new animations for existing races." Let's see... some can wave, some can sit. I would not consider that "a lot of new animations."

Controls: Mostly arrow keys. Does any other modern 3D game use arrow keys for primary movement?! I haven't seen any since Tomb Raider for DOS.

If you had read the help menu, you would have known that you can use the "M" key to switch controls. You can also map around keys if you like to avoid using the dreaded arrow keys.

The M key switches view modes. I think you might be thinking of Tab, which switches between mouse modes (moving the arrow, or rotating your character). In theory it works, but in practice, it is very buggy and unreliable. I suspect that most people use keys for most of their running around. Also running is a pain. You have two choices. The first, hold your Shift key constantly so you can run forward and backward. I haven't had to do this since Doom 2 (back then, I jammed a penny into the side of the Shift key so I could run all the time). The other choice is Auto-run, which is only useful for running a long distance. It is not useful for dueling or fighting ulbers where you need to start, stop, start, stop, backward, forward, etc.

I stand by my opinion that the controls in Planeshift are circa 1995.

-Drahlian

[zanzibar]

It is not useful for dueling or fighting ulbers where you need to start, stop, start, stop, backward, forward, etc.

This is a non issue in my opinion since I see hit-and-run attacks as cheating.

[lordraleigh]

There have been a few new monsters, including the zombie rogues

I was wondering whether "necromancy" on the Dark Way included undeath or not, now I hopefully got a good answer. Now I think I can make an "evil" character skilled on the Dark Way.

As far as the Dwarvesbane war.... racism is outside of the settings, so you're on thin ice with that one.

I can't argue with that, except if

The land of Yliakum ... Racial suspicion and hostility are completely unknown

Drahlian came from outside Yliakum, something that is arguable due to the nature of the Stone Labyrinths, and also the fact there's a government there with law enforcement would mean that Drahlian would get herself killed in that case.

I stand by my opinion that the controls in Planeshift are circa 1995.

There's a CRPG with similar but more effectively applied control based on arrow keys, Anachronox.

For now I would prefer another scheme for making the "hit and run" more realistic(not being cheating): start attack, backward(gives enemy an attack of opportunity), forward and start attack again.

[Drahlian]

It is not useful for dueling or fighting ulbers where you need to start, stop, start, stop, backward, forward, etc.

This is a non issue in my opinion since I see hit-and-run attacks as cheating.

Yes, I know you feel that way. I understand your position on it, though I disagree. I think dueling as it exists now is something that keeps a lot of people here. If it is removed completely, so duels are simply standing face to face and clicking Attack, then I am sure that a number of Planeshift's most active players (and RPers) would leave. One less thing to keep people interested in PS. I don't want to start a dueling debate here (this has been covered quite recently in other threads).

-Drahlian

[zanzibar]

Drahlian came from outside Yliakum

I'm going to make a character from outside of Yliakum.  He'll be sporting an iPod.  Don't worry, it's ok - he's from outside of Yliakum and therefore doesn't have to be within the settings.

Yes, I know you feel that way. I understand your position on it, though I disagree. I think dueling as it exists now is something that keeps a lot of people here. If it is removed completely, so duels are simply standing face to face and clicking Attack, then I am sure that a number of Planeshift's most active players (and RPers) would leave. One less thing to keep people interested in PS. I don't want to start a dueling debate here (this has been covered quite recently in other threads).

-Drahlian

In most role playing games, combat is decided by tactics and dice rolls.  Tactics in Planeshift will mean the use of magic and deciding what weapons and armour to use against your oponent.

The arcade elements of combat, as they exist presently, are cheating and OOC.

[Gwinn Ravenn]

Hit and run attacks as cheating??? WHAT>> IT ISNT possable in ps to hit and run. You MUST accept evey duel. if you accept and you don't know a duel is comming than my friend you are not aware of what is going on. it can not be hit and run ever..... can not happen when you must accept a duel. if someone is skilled enough to hit you quick then you get hit quick. if you just stand there and get hit then you need to learn how to avoid it. Duels outside of the dr are a fight to the death your life is on the line.  Kill or be killed once that challenge is accepted.
In the dr it is practice, it is for fun and there is a code of honor. BUT topside it is a fight to survive and it is your characters life on the line. being Skilled and not dying is not cheating. Even if you yourself do not have the skill. Just because you don't know how not to die fast dosen't make it cheating.

[zanzibar]

Hit and run attacks as cheating??? WHAT>> IT ISNT possable in ps to hit and run. You MUST accept evey duel. if you accept and you don't know a duel is comming than my friend you are not aware of what is going on. it can not be hit and run ever..... can not happen when you must accept a duel. if someone is skilled enough to hit you quick then you get hit quick. if you just stand there and get hit then you need to learn how to avoid it. Duels outside of the dr are a fight to the death your life is on the line.  Kill or be killed once that challenge is accepted.
In the dr it is practice, it is for fun and there is a code of honor. BUT topside it is a fight to survive and it is your characters life on the line. being Skilled and not dying is not cheating. Even if you yourself do not have the skill. Just because you don't know how not to die fast dosen't make it cheating.

I suggest that you do a search for previous discussions on hit and run attacks and why they don't belong in Planeshift.

[lordraleigh]

Drahlian came from outside Yliakum

I'm going to make a character from outside of Yliakum.  He'll be sporting an iPod.  Don't worry, it's ok - he's from outside of Yliakum and therefore doesn't have to be within the settings.

Is there anything specific now on Kadaikos or on the legendary Pradesha or on what lies beyond, in the Settings? Well in that case it should say "In all world, including beyond Yliakum, the races live in complete harmony". That is a grey area.

Your iPod comment is a very convincing argument, well in that case I would probably add your "leet" character on my ignore_list 

Anyway I doubt it would be feasible to RP a character that just came from outside Hydlaa due to the enviromental hazards out there.

[Suno_Regin]

I'll never leave this place. Sure, I won't be ingame hardly ever, but these forums are always full of life. =P

[lordraleigh]

I'll never leave this place. Sure, I won't be ingame hardly ever, but these forums are always full of life. =P

And some few times people raise back to life dead threads as well, to ensure this forums are more alive than ever.

[Shalmaneser]

     My goddesses! Where are you banished?
     lend ears to my lugubrious tone:
     have other maidens, since you vanished,
     taken your place, though not your throne?
     your chorus, is it dead for ever?
     Russia's Terpsichore, shall never
     again I see your soulful flight?
     shall my sad gaze no more alight
     on features known, but to that dreary,
     that alien scene must I now turn
     my disillusioned glass, and yearn,
     bored with hilarity, and weary,
     and yawn in silence at the stage
     as I recall a bygone age?

- Pushkin

[lordraleigh]

What I need is to believe in myself again - for my faith has been greatly undermined; it seems to me my role is over.

-Tchaikovsky

[Gwinn Ravenn]

I thank you for your "suggestion" and give it the importance it deserves.   
Hit and run........ If you don't know it is coming then it is hit and run. If you accept a challenge then be ready!
If it is a glitch. stat boosting or any other illegal means to give yourself an edge THAT is cheating. If it is a technique acquired through practice and skill it is NOT cheating.
Perhaps running around is not acceptable by those who wish you to stand there because they are maxed and I  am not. perhaps I should burn my SW's if my opponent doesn't have them too. Perhaps I should give my opponent first hit then ask politely if I may please hit them back?? 
You accept a challenge, you must be prepared, for anything,  to die. If not, if you lose to a more skilled player then accept it gracefully the same as you accepted the challenge.
In the real world, if I would get into a fight, you better believe I am going to try to get them before they get me. The game is not different. So long as it is not glitching, or stat boosting beyond what game allows it is not cheating, if the duel is topside. If you don't Like the fact someone can out duel you thats your opinion, but that is all it is. You don't like it. You can either learn how to duel, Stop accepting challenges, or say it is you opinion. But to call a legitimate technique cheating that just isn't right.

[Seytra]

@original topic: This is normal, yes. I have witnessed two of these leaving waves by now (not counting the MB->CB transition). I don't see a way to stop it, though.

@ Gwinn Ravenn: err... do you even know what is being referred to as "hit&run" here, and if so, why it is considered cheating? Combat in PS is supposed to be based on character skills (the beloved game mechanics that are always dragged in by both duellers and levellers (who tend to be the same), to claim that any and all use of the game mechanics equates to RP). Quite obviously, though, mashing the keyboard faster than the other guy is outside this. Thus, even if we were to accept the most lenient definition of "RP" (use of the game mechanics as-is), this still would not cover hit&run. Also, AFAICS, the devs have (effectively) stated that it is at least abuse, by changing the game to make this "tactic" harder or impossible to employ. IOW, efforts are being made to prevent it, so how can anyone claim that it is acceptable or even wanted?

@Drahlian: once upon a time we were having a discussion about the racism and extraplanar homeland ideas of yours. By then you claimed that you never hurt anyone's RP, since a duel must be accepted, and that you in fact furthered RP, since other stories and movies had bad guys, which Drahlian supposedly is one of. By that time, I clearly was failing to explain the difference between RPing an evil character and being outside the settings.
Later in the discussion I found myself unable to explain to you the difference between racism being OOC and me calling you an OOC racist (followed by you implying that I am both dumb and don't know what RP is).
Then I found myself unable to explain the difference between phrasing things medieval-ish and being IC (followed by you implying that I was narrow-minded).

All in all it clearly wasn't a fruitful debate, as by-then future events have proven.

Additionally, whether or not you guys were having fun doing it is completely irrelevant. It doesn't make it anymore IC. Likewise, if you are bored to death by some part of the settings, this part isn't going to become OOC due to that.
In the above mentioned conversation, I already expressed how shallow and over(ab)used the "I'm not from Yliakum" cop-out is. Might just as well do away with all the RP and regard anything as IC, computers, virtual worlds, football, whatever. After all, it's just a matter of claiming that your "character" is from another world. Maybe it is nothing but a virtual avatar in some game which is controlled by a player outside the simulation?

Additionally, your description sported a message "You evaluate the Drahlian won't require any effort to defeat", followed by loads of empty lines, until, finally, the actual system message appeared, saying that "Drahlian may be impossible to defeat"... I can't help but find this notable.

If it is removed completely, so duels are simply standing face to face and clicking Attack, then I am sure that a number of Planeshift's most active players (and RPers) would leave. One less thing to keep people interested in PS. I don't want to start a dueling debate here (this has been covered quite recently in other threads).

Aye, it has. Yet, it is being claimed to further RP by you, so it must either be debated once more, or at least denied, which I hereby do.

Regardless, I still don't see reason why this thread was created in this section.

@Pushkin: don't do that, OK?