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Re: A funny thing happened on the way to the moon
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2007, 12:22:05 am »
Damn, steuben beat me. *tosses ut the links he was finding* But yes, what he said.

edit* You missed this one. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm
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Re: A funny thing happened on the way to the moon
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2007, 12:25:24 am »
Can't say how this religious bull puts me off. Regardless of whether or not it was true or fake, the religious stuff just proves they have their own agenda. And let me say this, religions are just as bad and untrustworthy as politicians are. Combine this with the ease with which anything can be faked (both a moon landing and proof that a moon landing was faked) and you see that anyone can always fake evidence for their position. Like this.
IIRC, they supposedly left a flag on the moon. Also, the craft must have left traces. Shouldn't hubble be able to take a photograph of it? Then again, such a photograph could have been faked. IOW, there isn't a way to prove anything.

I find the argument about the russians not letting america get away with such a hoax the most convincing one, though. Though obviously they could have made some really big deal with america.

I do agree with those religious guys in one thing: pride is the driving force behind almost anything, be it a war, a union of nations, the creation of a religion or a moon landing, fake or real.

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Re: A funny thing happened on the way to the moon
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2007, 12:31:35 am »
you'd cook the optic of the hubble if you tried. they're calibrated and designed for low light intensities. but i'm quite sure that there a some ground based units that could be converted by the willing.
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Re: What happened on the moon
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2007, 12:34:09 am »
I agree that the first video could do without all the "God" stuff in it but the rest is solid.

Many people who thought that the first video sounded like it was made by a conspiracy theory nut, have been absolutely convinced by the irrefutable evidence in this video, which I already posted links to:

Part 1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7251089776146839385&q=what+happened+on+the+moon

Part 2

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8585273531105072202&q=what+happened+on+the+moon

If you've hated the first video, then watch this second one before posting hateful comments.

And for those who still only blindly believe what the mass media feeds them, this is for you - it is a song played at 7:37 time mark in the "Part 1" video (direct link to exact time mark):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7251089776146839385&q=what+happened+on+the+moon#07m37s

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Re: What happened on the moon
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2007, 01:34:49 am »
Why does it matter?

Truth matters.

Also, for people so angered by the "religious" references in the original video I posted (limited only to the intro, really), they sure have a blind faith into what mass media is feeding them.

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Re: What happened on the moon
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2007, 01:37:51 am »
Also, for people so angered by the "religious" references in the original video I posted (limited only to the intro, really), they sure have a blind faith into what mass media is feeding them.


Are you saying that people that don't buy into creationism are blindly faithful to the media?
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Re: What happened on the moon
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2007, 01:52:36 am »
Are you saying that people that don't buy into creationism are blindly faithful to the media?

No no no, you're confused. This has nothing to do with creationism. I even said that I agree that the first video could do without references to God. However, the references it did make in the beginning didn't really sound religious to me but rather to show the irony of things. Don't think too much into it, the rest is pretty solid.

The second two-part videos titled "What happened on the moon" makes no references to God and sticks purely to evidence.

Watch the video, if you're confused about the topic. ;)

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Re: What happened on the moon
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2007, 01:54:29 am »
Ah, right sorry. Read it wrong.  ;)
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Re: What happened on the moon
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2007, 01:57:16 am »
Ah, right sorry. Read it wrong.  ;)

No problem. Hey, thanks for being mature and constructive (no, this isn't sarcasm). :)

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Re: A funny thing happened on the way to the moon
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2007, 02:00:42 am »
you'd cook the optic of the hubble if you tried. they're calibrated and designed for low light intensities. but i'm quite sure that there a some ground based units that could be converted by the willing.
Given that IIRC there was consideration of disbanding hubble, frying it wouldn't necessarily matter. However, I've been reading this article pointed to by steuben, and it seems to explain why not even hubble would be able to pick up the stuff (section: "Earth based telescopes should be able to see the Apollo hardware on the Moon, yet none is visible.").
All in all that article takes the time to explain all the things that I've heard about the hoax, plus several that I didn't know about yet. I suppose that suffices for me. I could try to investigate these things myself, but I don't know enough of that to be able to be certain tht my findings are indeed correct. I agree that the mass media are constantly being used to twist the minds of the population. However, I've not really seen much of moon landing coverage myself, and most of it is not really from the mass media.
What I like are believable explanations, and that article above does a good job at that.
I'll however view some more of the hoax advocate stuff some time, if only for comparison to the rebuttals and claims.

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Re: What happened on the moon
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2007, 02:49:21 am »
Ridiculous. The video has, like every 'documentary' on the faked moon landing, proven nothing.

Van Allen himself doesn't believe that the radiation in his predicted area of space surrounding the earth would have enough potency to have adverse effects on humans after a period of mere hours. Space shuttles stay in this belt for days, hence the reason why only recently we have had trouble with this radiation.

Completing high school physics with an advanced chemistry class will explain just about everything the moon landing accomplished. There's no mystery in any of it.

I especially loved the reference to the botched hubble telescope lens. Proving space travel never completed it's course with the logic that problems with an advanced mirror lens should have been addressed in 1969 with a comparably more advanced yet technologically inferior mission.

The moon landing could have very well been faked.

But this video doesn't prove it : /

Now that I think of it, I've never seen a conspiracy theory documentary that's convinced me other wise. Why can't these conspiracists think about their theories for two more years instead of leaving so many holes in their logic. For every long winded 5 hour claim on how our government is covering something up, it seems an educated man has a 20 second long answer.

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Re: What happened on the moon
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2007, 04:11:56 am »
None of the sites or videos posted here so far disprove the main issues that have been talked about in detail in the second video titled "What happened on the moon". It goes into much further detail of what was mentioned in the first and more. Surely you couldn't have watched the video that fast, it's nearly four hours long.

It also provides two different points of view by showing interviews and answers given by NASA and other representatives. Just to give an example of a NASA representative when confronted with the evidence:

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I don't really know and haven't really bothered to go and find out. And the reason is... this is 30 year old stuff...

That is against people with Ph.D and various expert backgrounds.

Here is what some others had to say:

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"If some of the film was spoiled, it's remotely possible they [NASA] may have shot some scenes in a studio environment to avoid  ... all embarrassment."

 - David Groves, PhD.

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This compelling video throws into serious doubt the authenticity of the Apollo missions and features information that challenges the declared abilities of NASA to successfully send a man to the Moon and return him safely to Earth. New evidence clearly suggests that NASA hoaxed pictures allegedly taken on the lunar surface. These findings are supported by analysis and the testimony of experts from various disciplines, including photographer/filmmaker David S. Percy ARPS and physicist David Groves PhD.

Hear what NASA has to say in response to these disturbing findings.

Some notable quotes from the first part of the video:

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"The bigger the lie, the easier it is for people to believe it"

- Hitler

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"Initially, it's easier to dismiss outrageous ideas, even if they are eventually proven correct, simply because we might not want to face up to uncomfortable truths and because to acknowledge that truth would make us look complete fools"

- Ronnie Stronge

If you are going to claim that your websites or "unbiased" videos disprove all the points raised in the second two-part video, then address every single major evidence raised. In fact, this "What happened on the moon" video takes into account most of what those websites "disproved" and disproves them instead by providing more evidence. Besides, nearly four hours of intricately researched subject by the experts vs theories and excuses by random people on the internet, only because NASA cannot give an answer themselves... Hmm, yea, I think I know which one is more convincing. :)

As the video states numerous times:

The proof is in the details.

Watch it fully, especially if you're going to participate in the discussion, it's really good! ;)
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