An example of when Planeshift can suck.

[zanzibar]

I'm in the arena.  I see someone parked infront of a rogue.  She isn't attacking it.  I go up and I wait.  She still isn't attacking it.  So I kill it, then walk away.   Before I get too far, the arena starts to fill up with shouts from that person about how she hates me forever and how she's simultaneously adding me to her ignore list and uninstalling her client.  It's met with shouts from other players telling her to take it to tells or group chat.  She goes offline and I start getting weird tells from some random player.


Here's the chat log in its original* form.
*highly editted



noob: hey DON'T take her ROUGE

You tell noob:  I'm sorry, but you can't own rogues.  She wasn't attacking it - it looked like she was afk.  Even if she wasn't afk, it's not against the rules to compete for mobs.

noob: but if you are at one you have the right to kill it with out other bothering you unles you think you have what it takes first look at who you are stealing or you have to have blades ready to answer:)

You tell noob: You have no such right. Check with the Game Masters if you don't believe me.

noob: why dont you ask some of the top dulist around here firdt of all if you want respect recpect others:)

You tell noob: Uh, being good at dueling doesn't mean much...

noob: haha i see you have no recpect for others:)

noob: what a shame

noob: hahah no people like you and i bet you didn't know:b

You tell noob: You suck at English.

noob: i bet i do so what hahah

noob: worst you suck as a person:)

You tell noob: Riiiight.



I did not edit his spelling to make it worse.  He actually wrote that.

I'm not sure what a "dueler" is, but to all you Duelers playing the game:  Your fanbase is wanting.


Edit:  There's nothing really to talk about unless I add something at the end of this thing to turn it into a question.  So here it is:  How can Planeshift be designed to weed out or discourage morons like the one(s) I encountered tonight?

[Valorius Rageway]

Well now i know what your name is in game. 

No surprise you KSing off a lady....the version of events that reached my ears was far different than the nonsense you posted above. Oh, and Hideaki is no noob, though he was defending the IC wife of an allied guild leader, as per his oath to do so(whether she be right or wrong).

LOL.

But yes, in closing, KSer's suck.

PS: I'm told that you told him you were "The top duelist". I'm more than willing to test that claim anytime you like in DR....preferrably at great length. All the time i spend in the realm practicing, ive never once seen you participating, mister "top duelist."

[zanzibar]

It wasn't kill stealing.  You cannot own a spawn.

[Valorius Rageway]

It wasn't kill stealing.  You cannot own a spawn.

KSing is the number one cause of IC duels in PS from what i've seen, so it seems most would disagree entirely with that assessment. When someone is standing right over top of a spawn, the act of running up and killing the beastie is ASKING for trouble. If you do it and trouble predictably ensues, well, then you brought it on yourself. The only difference between you and everyone else is that no one else runs to the forums to whine about it!

Had you stayed and fought instead of running away like a coward im sure the "noob" Hideaki would've shown you first hand that kill stealing is no way to make friends. Heheheheh... 

[zanzibar]

Hideaki sent me numerous OOC tells with an extremely insulting tone.  Why would I want to have anything to do with an idiot like that?  I'd rather just add him to my ignore list and be done with it.

The "lady" just had a major freak out on IRC, so I'm not sure how lady-like she is.  I'm not impressed with her OOC shouts in the arena either.  I don't see how dueling would solve the problem, especially since it's an OOC problem.

So no, you're absolutely wrong.  Dueling here would be OOC and unproductive.  Further, it wouldn't be much fun.  Why play with idiots who don't know how to treat other people with a certain basic level of decency?  I only duel people for IC reasons - or for fun.  I see potential for neither in this situation.

[Under the moon]

I am going to have to agree with zanzi here. Killstealing is something you do after the person has started the attack, and you take it away. Walking up to a mob and attacking it, even if there is another person standing right on top of it, is not kill stealing. This has been talked about before.

I can not wait for random spawns so that this entire debate goes away...somewhat.

[Valorius Rageway]

Hideaki sent me numerous OOC tells with an extremely insulting tone.  Why would I want to have anything to do with an idiot like that?  I'd rather just add him to my ignore list and be done with it.

The "lady" just had a major freak out on IRC, so I'm not sure how lady-like she is.  I'm not impressed with her OOC shouts in the arena either.  I don't see how dueling would solve the problem, especially since it's an OOC problem.

So no, you're absolutely wrong.  Dueling here would be OOC and unproductive.  Further, it wouldn't be much fun.  Why play with idiots who don't know how to treat other people with a certain basic level of decency?  I only duel people for IC reasons - or for fun.  I see potential for neither in this situation.

Tells are OC by their very nature. Surely you knew this?

And i'd say your despicable KSing behavior invited his insults- if indeed he did issue any(which i doubt knowing Hideaki as i do). I find it far more likely that you're just whining cause you were embarrassed by a "noob" and ran in terror. LOL! And when i read this thread i see YOU issuing all kinds of insults about poor spelling, calling people noobs, calling people idiots, etc, etc, etc.

KSing is a dueling offense to most players. If you do it, people WILL challenge you. If you don't want to be challenged, DON'T do it.

Simple as that.

If you ever want to demonstrate your skills Mr."Top duelist of the realm", you know how to find me. 

[Valorius Rageway]

And i'd say your despicable KSing behavior invited his insults

Hmm.

"And I'd say silly people who don't understand the rules are to blame for such disturbances.  I'm probably one of those silly people, I hate to admit.  In fact, I just duel-spam anyone who's in the arena because I like having it all to myself.  I've even invented this idiotic 'honor code' to justify my harassment of other players."

Fixed!

Ah, yes another insult issued by Zanzibar the whiner. (check that, several!) Heheheh.

You can quote the "rules" all you want, it does not change the fact that if you KS(and there is only one way to KS), you're probably going to be challenged. Once again, the difference between you and others is that others don't whine about it on the forums because they know they were asking for trouble. KSing is asking for trouble, plain and simple.

It's like walking up to someone and just kissing their girlfriend dead on the mouth. Not illegal....but it's going to start a fight more often than not.

[Under the moon]

Eh, people who try to duel because "Ju stol my keel!" are not doing it for in character reasons. If they are, they have a very shallow and lame character. They are why there is an /ignore command.

killstealing was a bug that has been fixed. So, there is no killstealing anymore. Wonderful news.

I also have a name for those 'most players' that try to challenge at the drop of a hat. Lamers.

[Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins]

It's like walking up to someone and just kissing their girlfriend dead on the mouth. Not illegal....but it's going to start a fight more often than not.

Not true, that is an assualt... and is in fact illegal, so a rather incorrect argument!

Kill Stealing is NOT the number one cause of In Character duels... it is  the worst kind of reason to duel!  It shows very poor Role Playing skills.  If one his HOGGING a spawn spot to level up... that is just so OUT OF CHARACTOR.. as in reality, no creature would just appear to be beaten to a pulp... I too long for random spawning - which will rid this stupid argument of Kill Stealing.

I have suffered the 'vehemence' of such players who think they own a spaw spot.. they are not Role Players - persay, they are just selfish.  Some, when bored of levelling try to Role Play, and when they do that, we should encourage them.

But OOC shouting... well that is just pathetic and shows a level of immaturity that most sound minded  people would just let ride, especially as the person has moved off from the spawn spot that they were so 'wound up' about having had a Kill Steal on...   hmm?

Lolitra

PS - TELLs are used by Role Players for In Character stuff too... such as letters, whispers... and magic orb communications... so the argument that tells are ooc is thus not entirely true.  The use of [] parenthises are a best practice to differenciate between that which the player wishes to say, and that which the character says.

I hope that this rather sad thread stops... as the arguments are flailing over the original reasoning - which is a very valid point - if one is stood by a monster... it doesn't make it theirs as hogging is worse than the so called kill stealing (which cannot actually happen, as the mechanics specify that you have to be grouped with one already attacking it.)  Though a little RP around the fighting may stop such things.. such as asking - do you mind If I help you?

[Nurahk]

Stop trying to sound better and above spawn stealing.  If you want to train, and somebody just comes and steals your spawn, you wouldn't be happy.

It should not lead to in character duels, I agree.  But the whole spawn system is terribly OOC that sure, it can lead to OOC duels.

And Lolitra, that would be sexual assault, I believe, which, on this level, is mostly ignored unless the person is a repeat offender

[Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins]

Stop trying to sound better and above spawn stealing. If you want to train, and somebody just comes and steals your spawn, you wouldn't be happy.

It should not lead to in character duels, I agree. But the whole spawn system is terribly OOC that sure, it can lead to OOC duels.

And Lolitra, that would be sexual assault, I believe, which, on this level, is mostly ignored unless the person is a repeat offender

I don't believe the 'I am better than he/she' is a facter in the argument, the fact that one takes it to a ooc level of spamming the other player with most unwanted verbals - shows who is taking a game far too seariously... and to use shout to 'claim ooc ownership' of a spawn is even more rediculous...   (which is entirely different to shouting in character - leave him to me.
 
If I am trying to train and someone just steals my creature... well so be it, I will have to be a little quicker on selecting a target...  Who knows... a good IC reason could be that they were trying to save you? possibly... ??

BUT the underlying facter is... why make such a big deal about such a ooc thing that will probably be 'fixed' by the Devs with random spawn.


[EDIT]

Here's an idea - why not have in the arena..   a pay for training set up.. where the player goes to a person/NPC at the gates.. and can pay Tria to have a creature to train with.. that comes out of a cage... and is automatically yours, and will attack you etc.  and all players can obtain a training creature this way - in the ARENA.   The NPC could tell you what the creature is good for training up in.. etc?

With that and random spawn in the wild... there will no longer be issues of 'he stole my spawn...'

[Parallo]

Valorius, first you demonststrate comlete ignorance of what a double post is, then you don't know what kill stealing or IC is. I sincerly hope that this will encourage you to think before you barge into threads in the arrogant, I-know-all way that you do. Heres some recommended reading:

XpYtZ's lovely guide to roleplay.

Talad's Player Policy (Also breaks down IC and OOC nicely)

[Zan]

I think this is an example of what shouldn't be dragged onto the forums ... crap happens, live with it.

And this isn't even new crap .. it's the very old, dried up kind.

[ Edited for language. --Karyuu ]

[chickenlover]

rogue is for everyone. no such thing about "owning rogues".

in real life they may even think they "own girlfriends/boyfriends" when they are actually lonely monkey spanking idiots.

people who "owns rogue"  needs professional help.