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Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« on: February 24, 2007, 09:58:57 pm »
In this thread, I posed the following question:

"How can Planeshift be designed to weed out or discourage morons like the ones I encountered tonight?"

After thinking about it, I arrived at what may be the only answer.  Remove duels from the game entirely.  Allow guild wars, but the /challenge command should be removed from the game.  Why?  Because it's been made crystal clear that the only reason these idiots hang around is for the duels.  They've put dueling on an incredibly tall pedestal, and without it, they'll leave the game.  With the recent changes designed to prevent cheating, we've already seen a bunch of them leave.  So let's get rid of the rest of these idiots by taking out dueling all together!

Their idea of roleplaying is killing people at the drop of a hat if they feel they have to protect their "honour".  In reality, they're just trash talking kids who want to cause trouble.  In many cases, they're also duel spamming and harassing people over spawns.  So it really doesn't have anything to do with roleplaying.  Not only do they attack anyone who looks at them the wrong way or gets between them and their mob, but they'll /shout insults for half an hour at anyone who declines the challenge.  They encourage others to be like them, making the problem even worse.  There also seems to be this emphasis on "respect".  Allow me to quote:


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why dont you ask some of the top dulist around here firdt of all if you want respect


This obsession about respect is trashy.  The roleplaying of these individuals is shallow and stupid.  I talked about it in this thread as well.  To them, roleplaying is just used to disguise their true intentions.


Their goal is to destroy the game.  They are a pest and infection that needs to be killed.  They only care about "being number 1 in the server".   They want nothing less than to turn Planeshift into Runescape or Counterstrike.  If we take dueling out of the game, they will have no motivation for playing.  They will leave, and the quality of the playerbase will skyrocket.

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Re: Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2007, 10:02:19 pm »
I actually agree. I had my doubts when I saw the title but the reasons are perfect.
I suggest the statue of Laanx gets turned into a statue of Parallo <3. An NPC could never replace the huge hole he left in my heart when he died  :'(

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2007, 10:05:58 pm »
I actually agree. I had my doubts when I saw the title but the reasons are perfect.

Thanks.  Also, if people do want to fight other players, they'll have to join a guild.  Which means they'll have to behave themselves or else their guild leader might kick them out of the guild in order to protect the guild's reputation.
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2007, 10:08:47 pm »
Aye, and after the rediculous rping I saw earlier-first friday night I've been on in a long time-the community really needs weeding out.
I suggest the statue of Laanx gets turned into a statue of Parallo <3. An NPC could never replace the huge hole he left in my heart when he died  :'(

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2007, 10:22:24 pm »
Removing duels is an OOC measure for an OOC problem.

There should be an IC solution for that, like guards or government laws on duelling that will bring punishments to those who abuse it.

For now the best option against OOC duelling is something called "Auto-refuse challenges"

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2007, 10:25:37 pm »
Heheh. Playing things like Endless Forest (and MB) is going to make me side with the limited-combat crowd. I've no idea what the other devs think on the subject :) I do wish it was one of the last things to concentrate on.
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Re: Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2007, 10:34:03 pm »
Removing duels is an OOC measure for an OOC problem.

There should be an IC solution for that, like guards or government laws on duelling that will bring punishments to those who abuse it.

For now the best option against OOC duelling is something called "Auto-refuse challenges"

An IC solution for an OOC problem?  I don't think so.


Heheh. Playing things like Endless Forest (and MB) is going to make me side with the limited-combat crowd. I've no idea what the other devs think on the subject :) I do wish it was one of the last things to concentrate on.

Games like that and Molecular Blue prove that Planeshift can survive without duels.
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2007, 10:35:28 pm »
Hack and Slash (Roleplaying? Where?) Games are not something I like. If I want some action prefer to headshotting to hack n' slash. Anyway making duels through /me, /my, etc. is quite a challenge, but when well done and without godmodding, for those with enough imagination, they're much more interesting than the way current duels are.

As I said, this is a question of the community. If one is not willing to involve in OOC duelling, change the PvP confirmation option to "Never Accept". Now if you wish to put all duels as IC, change it to "Always Accept". And if someone bothers too much about duelling, ignore_list

Another simpler option is to change the default setting of PvP to "Never Accept"

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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2007, 10:50:04 pm »
Hack and Slash (Roleplaying? Where?) Games are not something I like. If I want some action prefer to headshotting to hack n' slash. Anyway making duels through /me, /my, etc. is quite a challenge, but when well done and without godmodding, for those with enough imagination, they're much more interesting than the way current duels are.

As I said, this is a question of the community. If one is not willing to involve in OOC duelling, change the PvP confirmation option to "Never Accept". Now if you wish to put all duels as IC, change it to "Always Accept". And if someone bothers too much about duelling, ignore_list

Another simpler option is to change the default setting of PvP to "Never Accept"


This doesn't solve the problem.  It doesn't even begin to touch it.
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Re: Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2007, 10:55:10 pm »
If we do that then they'll stay, happy as larry that they can fight each other. That solves nothing.
I suggest the statue of Laanx gets turned into a statue of Parallo <3. An NPC could never replace the huge hole he left in my heart when he died  :'(

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2007, 11:01:22 pm »
If we do that then they'll stay, happy as larry that they can fight each other. That solves nothing.

Right.  They're ruining the game in more way than just sending people duels, and they need to be gotten rid of.  They need to be made to leave.
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2007, 11:05:36 pm »
If we do that then they'll stay, happy as larry that they can fight each other. That solves nothing.

Right.  They're ruining the game in more way than just sending people duels, and they need to be gotten rid of.  They need to be made to leave.

Bah! Duel system is flawed anyway, here comes more 1% to add to the 98% that stopped playing Planeshift...

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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2007, 11:07:25 pm »
Good. if that one percent that leaves are the 'duelers' then all the better.
I suggest the statue of Laanx gets turned into a statue of Parallo <3. An NPC could never replace the huge hole he left in my heart when he died  :'(

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Re: Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2007, 11:32:07 pm »
While I mostly agree with the first post, if you get rid of duelling, I can't help but imagine all these people you're hoping to force out of just forming guilds and having constant guild wars with each other.
This might alleviate some of the problem as it takes away the possibility of "these idiots" duel spamming others, but the opportunity to ruin other's RP is still there....

I don't have a solution, however...at least not yet.

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2007, 11:33:46 pm »
But characters should be able to kill eachother if planeshift is to meet its goal. To be a realistic virtual world. There needs to be real consiquences for the characters, yes. I would agree with a temporary removal of duals untill there is a working AI for gaurds and a huge death realm etc etc.