Ok, look, i'm still not going back in the game but I keep (i believe you call it) 'trolling' these forums for lack of something more intresting to read. (Preamble aside i'm suprised i took this long to reply to some of the threads I've been seeing, cause wow.)...
First, if i was bitter & wanted to run the game down & cause problems etc I'd start campaigning for this idea & saying its praises...
In other words ideas like this can ruin the game.
#1-- To say that so many left because things cheats were countered is poretty presumptuous. While i admit many may have left because of that at the very same time, I would guess that an equal number left because of losing trias & weapons collected through hard effort, bargaining etc.
#2--"Their idea of roleplaying is killing people at the drop of a hat if they feel they have to protect their "honour"."--guess what? a lot of people actually are like that. in older times, moreso--what's that you say? they should just fight but not to the death? that's not suggested in many other threads? you haven't yourself posted in similar such threads?. next.
#3--"This obsession about respect is trashy." well that's certainly a disrespectful comment, but nevertheless: in most societies people treat those they have reason to fear as if they respect them. with good reason. That's life; if you want roleplay to be realistic that's one of the lame things from reality that has to be considered. (i'm gonna choose to ingore refference to the 'duelers are good roleplayers' thread...why? cause I'm sure everyone will already feel this post is plenty long.)
#4--"Their goal is to destroy the game. They are a pest and infection that needs to be killed. They only care about "being number 1 in the server". They want nothing less than to turn Planeshift into Runescape or Counterstrike. If we take dueling out of the game, they will have no motivation for playing. They will leave, and the quality of the playerbase will skyrocket." Hehe, first thing i said; if my goal was to ruin the game I'd support this idea... Look; the fact is the system isn't finished & we all know it. To disable dueling all around takes me back to your guggestion to lordraleigh in the "the winch--what are they thinking" thread--There's a great game for you of RP is a ll you want; it's called IRC--right? PS is supposed to encourage many different sorts of characters. including those who are percieve by most as stupid. So those running around lookin for fights, just like in reality, should have the ability to do so, as well as whatever consequences to deal with... from guards/law enforcement intervening against duelers who fight in the peaceful city of hydlaa [--which by the way is mentionned/suggested repeatedly on kiddie boards, which is where recent "peace in hydlaa" thread belongs imo] to general disRESPECT from the community at large...
#5--"Allow guild wars, but the /challenge command should be removed from the game. Why? " lemme address the 'why not' side. suddenly all stats & skills etc matter when me & my [imagined] guild have issue with mr noob & mr noob's guild, even tho none of them had any impact on me when just me & mr noob were having an issue? so groups of noobs can cobble together guilds for just that reason & then suddenly, not only "roleplaying is just used to disguise their true intentions." but guild formation too, and recruiting etc.. [5.1--"Thanks. Also, if people do want to fight other players, they'll have to join a guild. Which means they'll have to behave themselves or else their guild leader might kick them out of the guild in order to protect the guild's reputation."-- yea, unless the guilds are all about competition & fighting...but no one would ever do that[sarcasm]... as bodacher mentionned]
#6--"Heheh. Playing things like Endless Forest (and MB) is going to make me side with the limited-combat crowd. I've no idea what the other devs think on the subject I do wish it was one of the last things to concentrate on." This has some logic to it. A TEMPORARY restriction on pvp combat until more is done seems not unwise, if so many feel the way expressed of late, about duels. But it shouldn't be overlooked that to use MB as an example of why to remove an option is a clear example of regression, rather than progression... I'd probably be the first to say the version of planeshift i started on almost a year ago was my favorite version & since then, while many updates have had highlights, none are as fun as the earlier version seemed. Grass is greener i suppose... But regardless, i think the point is made.. [6.1--"Games like that and Molecular Blue prove that Planeshift can survive without duels."--yes they can survive...But oh, what's that, look; as one devopped & grew so was that option added.]
#7--"An IC solution for an OOC problem? I don't think so." Zanzi, here i think you are just trying a lil too hard to win the argument pettily... You know full well that even if someone's actions are motivated by ooc reasons their actions should still generally be treated as if in character
Noob: wow this is a cool game
ICRPer: of what game do you speak?
So the further development of systems to regulate combat & thus remain IC is a valid suggestion, a very valid one. IMO--this is where you acted at least as trashy as the people you are whining about.
#8--"Anyway making duels through /me, /my, etc. is quite a challenge, but when well done and without godmodding, for those with enough imagination, they're much more interesting than the way current duels are." a mosty true statement... What it's missing? --there is debate on the subject of defining godmodding.--There is a required/assumed grasp of english [yes i know there is one to rp in general, but you have to admit there is more required here.. just like if you speak another language enough to get by doesn't mean you speak enough to work in an electronics store speaking only that language].. There is conflict re combat phases [attack, block, dodge, counter, etc] There is conflict re use of dice. There is conflict between rp of stats & skills & effort/time invested in actual training of stats/skills. There is the matter of multiple attackers; depending on definitions of godmodding, skills, etc largest group numberwise would always win. More importantly with absolutely nothing set in place to regulate such a system the person can just do / me dies & goes thru deathrealm & returns rather than having to die at all... which causes a problem that the last replies in this thread explain could help with a solution...
#9--ok this I'll admit may be getting offtopic & more a personal thing; "This doesn't solve the problem. It doesn't even begin to touch it." Actually it does solve the problem. If everyone who feels as you do sets auto-decline challenge, suddenly everyone who feels like you no longer even recieves duel requests... If someone is bothering you, messaging you about it & you feel that's so ooc, you can ignore them. To deny any merit of the suggestion you quoted & dumped on, indicates to me that you won't be satisfied until duels are removed-- no matter how much more easily your own gripes could be resolved, than this imposition of removing an implemented feature--largely motivated by your electing yourself as a judge of people who should / should not play ps.
#9.1--"If we do that then they'll stay, happy as larry that they can fight each other. That solves nothing." hmmm it seems to solve the part where they bother you--or at least anyone who, like you takes issue with these people, but unlike you, is willing to follow the suggestion... or does it bother you when other people are happy?--or is it that people are happy as this 'larry' person to whom you reffer...
#9.2--"Right. They're ruining the game in more way than just sending people duels, and they need to be gotten rid of. They need to be made to leave." yea you need to be judge & jury of that. Yea they are ruining the game in more ways than the specific way this thread talks about & reasons not mentionned in this thread are exactly why dueling should be removed-- to stop these people from ruining the game in ways other than dueling. DUUUUUUHHHHHHH.....
#10-- Word to Narure, bilbous, Emeraldfool, & holdan. THey all make good points even if i repeated a few of them...
#11--"[ No insults please. --Karyuu ]" i'll try, but it hasn't been made very easy here... Zanzi, here are your replies to the last 3 posts in this thread:
"No."
"You got things out of order. You're supposed to read through the thread and THEN make a post."
"Read the first post in the thread."
You stopped even trying to reply to people making valid counters to what you had to say. & you definitely said nothing to rebut their counters, neither in these replies, nor in the first post you kept reffering back to. [if your issue is shouting make another thread dictating your official judgment & imposed opinion on that.. removing duels won't stop people from shouting about you when you give them half an excuse] I'm trying not to be insulting, but it's hard to say anything about what you say in this thread [especially th last 3 posts] without doing so... Maybe you should think a little more about exactly who may not belong.--exactly who in reality is a trash talking kid & wants to cause trouble... exactly which"idiot"s people would favor getting "rid of"... If it were put to a vote --not that anything ever is-- I would presume that more would be in favor of keeping duels or temporarily suspending them until law enforcement is established, than removing duels alltogether... Moreover I think you have overestimated just how much reason/right you would have to deem yourself as "being number 1 in the server" with regards to whose opinion matters or whose suggestion has validity/merit...
[PS; out-of-game bug to report.. when i tried to post it says 12 new replies were posted while i was typing... & just for clarification I am not modifying the above based on those 3 posts. but i will add here:--Word John80sk....And Zanzi, if hte chat log posted was so accurate why am i confused by your apparent frustration at "They only care about "being number 1 in the server"." & yet in the other thread to which you reffer, when someone said:
"No surprise you KSing off a lady....the version of events that reached my ears was far different than the nonsense you posted above. Oh, and Hideaki is no noob, though he was defending the IC wife of an allied guild leader, as per his oath to do so(whether she be right or wrong).
LOL.
But yes, in closing, KSer's suck.
PS: I'm told that
you told him you were "The top duelist"."
and your only reply was:
"It wasn't kill stealing. You cannot own a spawn."
so no denying that you said that?--then you put that in your original post in the thread, implying it bothers you... Now you claim the logs are aaccurate, even tho in your own words in first thread you prface the 'log' by saying
"Here's the chat log in its original* form.
*highly editted"
FFS dude.]
