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Re: Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2007, 11:00:32 am »
Perhaps you could copy his idea into a new thread and my reply it seems to have been lost in the shuffle, I thought his suggestion was good.


umm curiosity killed the cat?
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Re: Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2007, 11:31:22 am »
Ick, don't refer to yourself as a 'kitty' in my presence, please. What you do in your own time is fine but I don't wanna know :P


And from the looks of it, this argument is Zanzibar versus The World, with Zanzibar having to reiterate all his points with every member of 'the world' that joins the argument (though admittedly it's less reiterating, and more calling people idiots and telling them to read his first post :P)

Anyway, I think this thread has served its purpose. The dueling system needs improvement, or working town guards should be implemented. Removing it this early in the development process - without even seeing what it's like as it matures - wouldn't make sense.

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« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2007, 01:54:50 pm »
Hi,

I'm not a huge fan of removing already added features. I'd be against removing dueling alltogether, but I do think that the system could be improved towards a more realistic approach. Underthemoon had some nice ideas there.

I'm also not big fan of duels, in a matter of fact, I've never fought a duel in PS. Neither have I ever been harassed by people who do duel. I tend to concentrate on exploring and playing my silly character. Thus I'm personally more interested in implementing more non-combat features, instead of removing the pro-combat ones.

Remember, we are developing a game here, not a playerbase. Everyone is free to join, as long as they play by the rules.

Ps. One more thing; please have some decency and stop calling people idiots.

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Re: Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« Reply #78 on: February 25, 2007, 02:10:37 pm »
Wow, I never noticed your avatar blinks. That scared the crap outta me :P


Anyway, Cherpies right - people have a right to duel if they want. This game is in development - that means lots of bugs, hiccups and other OOC things... it doesn't really make a difference whether people are dueling in the background or not. Right now it's really about developing the game and having fun. And if people find dueling fun, so be it.

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Re: Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2007, 03:53:25 pm »
*ignores all replies and replies to the initial post*

I actually agree with Zanzi ... *waits for the sky to fall on his head* ...

However if we remove duels and still allow guild wars, I fear that we'll only make matters worse. Then all those people who only play to duel and kill others will band together in guilds and fight eachother that way. The end result would be even more violence and chaos. This could be fixed by not allowing just any guild to wage war but making it a priviledge for the well established RP guilds and given authority from the Octarch (read: GM team) to have an army.

I would say just make killing another player have such a huge retribution that nobody will want to do it. In the cities this should definitely be the case. I'm basically thinking about jail times that last for at least one in-game week, gigantic tria fees and the restriction of owning/wielding a weapon for the rest of the character's life. The only exception for this would be an official war.
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« Reply #80 on: February 25, 2007, 04:10:38 pm »
I just got an idea-- you know timelocks on quests?--any way duels could happen only at high noon? :P

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« Reply #81 on: February 25, 2007, 05:41:01 pm »
Also, Zanzibar.. you mentioned this person was abusive OOC in shout...

let's remove the /shout command, chat windows and everything else that can be misused.

ALSO... removing dueling because a minority abuse it spoils fun for many who enjoy dueling without being abusive.

I'm just going to call this out for what it is... petty, short-sighted moaning.

I've covered many points and your failure to use criticial inference is NOT a fault of mine on intuition... your implications of that was an insult to me Zanizibar, no matter how smart you were in trying to thinly veil that insult... it was an insult.

You've tried to paint many players unfairly with the same brush, it's ridiculous and it's no wonder others are getting offended... and when pinned on the issue.. you've backpeddled and said it's not "as simple as that"... when we both know you are talking about all these people too.

I appreciate RP... but you and a small cabal around you seem to be pushing this ... "If you like RP and are any good at it... you cannot enjoy dueling as an artform" ... this is complete toss and I'm sick of being polite about it.

If you had implied this was down to the actions of a few noobish idiots... that would be one thing, but you blatantly haven't made that distinction and the generalizations are sweeping, only serving to cause the irate reactions you've now seen from people.

Two words... diplomacy... and tact.

Yes.. I've not used either in this post, but that's only because I'm seeing straw-man arguments and pettiness to levels that is quite literally sickening.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2007, 05:44:11 pm by drah »

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Re: Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« Reply #82 on: February 25, 2007, 05:45:49 pm »
@drah:  These characters stick around for the duels.  That's why I'm targetting duels.
@drah:  If you read all my posts, you would know that I love dueling and I'm pretty good at is as well.  I just think it's creating a bad culture.
@drah:  The problem players are newer, but they're at the point where they're no longer just "noobs".  They're now semi-established players who are encouraging new players to copy their behaviour.



you don't respond at all to what people say
I do indeed respond to what people say.  More often than they deserve in fact.:)

How about this; put it [even tho nothing ever is] to a vote: All who want dueling eliminated vote for that & zanzi to stay, the rest vote for dueling to stay & zanzi to be permanently ip banned & account deleted.
Your maturity astounds me and sets new heights for me to aspire to.:)

There will always be fools zanzibar. 
Removing a feature from the game wont change that. It will simply attract a new class of prick.
I'm not so sure.  I see a specific problem with an apparent solution.  What new problems do you see arising from this solution?


@neko kyouran:  So long as duels are in the game, these problems will continue.  It's nost just a matter of duel spams - it's the culture that has formed around dueling itself.

@emeraldfool:  The dueling system has been around for two years.  PS has been around for a lot longer than that, but I think dueling has been given its time in the sun.  Until the death realm is expanded - or until laws can be inforced - perhaps we should get rid of it.  Like I said, I like dueling and killing people - especially the annoying people who shout trashy insults at others.  But if dueling was eliminated, many of those annoying players would leave the game.


Remember, we are developing a game here, not a playerbase.
You're developing a dev team.  You're developing a GM team.  You're developing a player's guide.  You're developing an online community.  You're developing RP events.  You're developing a RP culture.  And you're developing a playerbase.  It's all connected.

Anything that changes that the devs can also influence runs under ther umbrella of developement.  Or at least, that's how I see things.

Ps. One more thing; please have some decency and stop calling people idiots.
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« Reply #83 on: February 25, 2007, 05:50:38 pm »
Ps. One more thing; please have some decency and stop calling people idiots.
It's difficult to resist when you're so far above everyone intellectually.

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Re: Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« Reply #84 on: February 25, 2007, 05:55:01 pm »
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It's difficult to resist when you're so far above everyone intellectually.

This is a large part of your problem.  I've got an IQ >150 not sure how far higher.. and I personally don't give a damn because it means very little to me... someone with an IQ at 100 would have equally an important opinion as me... but for you Zanzi.. this doesn't seem to be the case your perceive.

Your higher-than-usual intelligence does NOT give you a right to be dictatorial nor have an "abrasive" attitude as others have called it.

Again, this ties in to tact and diplomacy.

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Re: Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« Reply #85 on: February 25, 2007, 05:57:28 pm »
drah, you're taking things far too seriously - and you're going off topic.:)
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« Reply #86 on: February 25, 2007, 05:59:54 pm »
No Zanzi..

I'm not the one suggesting the complete removal of the PVP system over a few petty run-ins with noobs.

You are taking stuff too seriously.  The fact you had to take a silly in-game OOC noobish behavior incident and blow it out of all proportions is evidence of this.  I'm just sticking up for many people you seem to be making generalizations about... naughty me for standing up to you... are you angry at the lack of moderation against those who dissent against your opinion (you've already made a complaint in the complains forum area that seems to indicate that!!)

I'm just pointing out your self-perceived intelligence is leading to arrogance and a lack of diplomacy and tact.

You wish to spoil people's fun because you have crazy ideas on how to deal with a few petty events of noobish behavior, you could deal with this... the duelers, the pathetic noob-related instances, etc. with far more maturity and dignity.

This is just petty and spoils a lot of fun for many people... all because you're "MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THEM"!!!.

No wonder people are biting back at you Zanzi.

"Off-Topic"... No.. Again you are WRONG... You brought up the subject of your superior intelligence, I responded.  YOU were the one that took things in that direction.

I will NOT be portrayed as the bad guy when you're the one putting their foot in their mouth.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2007, 06:08:30 pm by drah »

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Re: Remove duels from the game. (This is not a joke.)
« Reply #87 on: February 25, 2007, 06:04:43 pm »
Minipax Say:

Fighting is crimethink, doubleplusungood! Proles behave!

Miniluv keep peace fullwise!

Duellers are crimethinkers, Miniluv will fix them!
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« Reply #88 on: February 25, 2007, 06:07:59 pm »
@drah:  Am I making personal insults like you are though?  Yes.  Do you want to be like me?  Heck no!

It's not about ruining anyone's fun.  It's about the opposite, in fact.  And no - it hasn't just been a few petty run-ins with new players.
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« Reply #89 on: February 25, 2007, 06:09:34 pm »
And no - it hasn't just been a few petty run-ins with new players.

care to elaborate?