Planeshift, Roleplaying and More.

[Parallo]

For the last time; roleplay doesn't mean standing around doing nothing!!

[Idoru]

I sort of agree with you Sunshine. Im no great fan of partaking in RP constantly, sometimes I like to sit out of the way and talk to friends in group or guild chat. If someone approaches me and sas something I will gladly RP with them. But what i dont do is talk OOC in main chat if i can manage it. we all screw up sometimes and its not suprising, were all human afteralll.  I doubt anyone in the game has never sent a message in the wrong channel.

I agree that ive never see anything in main chat that is majorly OOC other than the new players coming in and saying 'Help me, im new to this game, what can I do.' But that is to be expected. The 1st thing I try to teach them is about [] and the about private chat channels.

I know players who only come here to quest, they will disappear for 3 months at a time then reappear and complete all the available quests then leave again until more quests are added. I dont see that these people are in anyway damaging the game and are performing an important role in testing. Sometimes testing of a game cant be entirely IC, it would be stupid; 'Why are you constantly jumping at that wall?' How would a player/tester answer that other than [im testing the clipping on this bit of wall, I saw someone fall through it.] or whatever action is relevant. Tester first, player second. I think some people get that the wrong way around at times.

[zanzibar]

What ever happened to enforcing RP on PS?

Platnya left the game and Hadfael is more concerned about banning longtime players or changing their names.  Other GMs want to make a difference but 99.7% of their time is taken by false accusations of kill stealing.

As far as the players themselves enforcing RP, people are scared of offending anyone because they've seen what happens to people like me.  If you confront a "noob" on something they're doing wrong, you risk causing trouble for yourself.

PS is more than roleplay ! It also has quest in, and crafting is also part of this game as all the other game mechanics. So please also respect all these people who enjoy this side of PS.

You're supposed to roleplay while you do quests and while you craft things.  It's called "being in character".  That's what roleplaying is.

[holmj2674]

Zanzibar wrote:

You're supposed to roleplay while you do quests and while you craft things.  It's called "being in character".  That's what roleplaying is.

AMEN!!!

[Sangwa]

PS is more than roleplay ! It also has quest in, and crafting is also part of this game as all the other game mechanics. So please also respect all these people who enjoy this side of PS.

See what I mean? How can you tell me that a roleplaying game is more than a game where you roleplay?

Idoru, doing nothing is one thing. Negligence is another.
I'm not saying most of the planeshifters aren't roleplayers. In fact, I'm glad with the common effort towards that way. I'm just pointing out that we have to perceive roleplay as the only kind of way to play a roleplay game. With this the community will make sure the roleplaying becomes even better in both quantity and quality.

[Volund]

The DL/enki racist thing was a roleplay that was bending the rules of the setting.  That's all.

But, I understand what you are saying.

whatcha mean?

I mean, I believe they were more angry at you being part of an RP which was contrary ( to a degree) to the setting and not as much because you are an evil character.

@Holdan: Because people still fail.

What setting is happening? I would love to see laanx sending armies after yliakum. Since that isnt happening, the rp was there and it was interesting so it kept up the interest. Actually alot of people dont know much about the roleplay settings of the game, and in my case they logged,reported and tried to lecture me. which never worked. "There is no wrong roleplay".

[zanzibar]

What setting is happening? I would love to see laanx sending armies after yliakum. Since that isnt happening, the rp was there and it was interesting so it kept up the interest. Actually alot of people dont know much about the roleplay settings of the game, and in my case they logged,reported and tried to lecture me. which never worked. "There is no wrong roleplay".

Laanx created Yliakum.  Why would she send armies to destroy it?  Her people and her worshippers live there.

You do realize that Yliakum is the whole world, right?  And Hydlaa is just the one city?



If you think there is no such thing as "wrong roleplay", then you have no clue what roleplaying is.



So you were doing something wrong, and people told you to stop doing it, and you decided to keep doing it anyway?  How mature.

[Karyuu]

Yes there is wrong roleplay :) Some things are outside of the settings of Yliakum. If you try to carry a cellphone, that is wrong roleplay. If you try to pretend Laanx did something s/he didn't, that is wrong roleplay. If you say that some races native to Yliakum enslave other races, that is wrong roleplay.

[emeraldfool]

See what I mean? How can you tell me that a roleplaying game is more than a game where you roleplay?

Idoru, doing nothing is one thing. Negligence is another.
I'm not saying most of the planeshifters aren't roleplayers. In fact, I'm glad with the common effort towards that way. I'm just pointing out that we have to perceive roleplay as the only kind of way to play a roleplay game. With this the community will make sure the roleplaying becomes even better in both quantity and quality.

Hmm, as a believer in the equal rights of all views, even those deemed 'wrong' by the majority (in this case RPers), I would have to contend with discriminating against those few who just like PS for the pretty colours. They have as much right to play as anyone else, until the Devs explicitly decide that liking the pretty colours is a bannable offence.


As an avid roleplayer, I'm inclined to agree that people who don't roleplay in PS at all would be better off in WoW or Runescape.


So I'm kinda on the fence for this one...

[Sangwa]

I would have to contend with discriminating against those few who just like PS for the pretty colours. They have as much right to play as anyone else, until the Devs explicitly decide that liking the pretty colours is a bannable offence.

What would you think of someone that would enter a game of tennis with you just because they like rackets? That person wouldn't be playing tennis, it would be just staring at the racket all the time. Would you contend with such a person?

What would you think of someone that would enter a game of roleplay with you just because they like pretty colors? That person wouldn't be roleplaying, it would be just staring at the pretty colors all the time. Would you contend with such a person?

[bilbous]

What would you think of someone that would enter a game of roleplay with you just because they like pretty colors? That person wouldn't be roleplaying, it would be just staring at the pretty colors all the time. Would you contend with such a person?

Maybe they are playing an "special" character who is constantly astounded by the sights and sounds around them Are you certain it would not be role-playing? Perhaps they are aphasic. Perhaps they are in a fugue, especially as a result of some RP trauma you do not necessarily know about.

[Sunshine]

What would you think of someone that would enter a game of tennis with you just because they like rackets? That person wouldn't be playing tennis, it would be just staring at the racket all the time. Would you contend with such a person?

Hello !

To move on in your picture:
If the person joins the same tennis club as I do - why should I care (equally to: Loging in to PS)
If he sits around beside the courts or wanders around between them and admires his racket - why should I care (equally to: Using the PS game mechanics)
If he is just standing at the other side of my court and doing nothing - here I would care and ask him to move a few meters so that I can do what I want to now (equally to: OOC chat in main tab)

So live and let live !

Sunshine

[emeraldfool]

What would you think of someone that would enter a game of tennis with you just because they like rackets? That person wouldn't be playing tennis, it would be just staring at the racket all the time. Would you contend with such a person?

What would you think of someone that would enter a game of roleplay with you just because they like pretty colors? That person wouldn't be roleplaying, it would be just staring at the pretty colors all the time. Would you contend with such a person?

Yes and no. Yes because I would like to play tennis/roleplay with them. No because it's wrong to try and force them to. I might try to explain how to play tennis/roleplay, or even ask them to get off the court if they refuse, but I would never rip their racket away from them just because I believe they are not using it properly.

[Sangwa]

What would you think of someone that would enter a game of roleplay with you just because they like pretty colors? That person wouldn't be roleplaying, it would be just staring at the pretty colors all the time. Would you contend with such a person?

Maybe they are playing an "special" character who is constantly astounded by the sights and sounds around them Are you certain it would not be role-playing? Perhaps they are aphasic. Perhaps they are in a fugue, especially as a result of some RP trauma you do not necessarily know about.

An aphasic character will still receive impact from what is around it. It won't simply walk around without feeling the interaction of the environment as it looks to the pretty colors. Not roleplaying is very different. It's about not responding to the setting and other players when your character is made avaible and you're actively controlling it.

Example.

Aphasic
Sangwa uses his hands to stop the aphasic dude from breathing through the nose and mouth.
The Aphasic Dude responds, and instinctively shrugs off from Sangwa's hold.

Sangwa walks up to an aphasic dude and hugs it.
The Aphasic Dude does not respond.
I /tell the player and ask him "hey, are you away?" he /tells me "No. My dude is dead dumb."

Not roleplaying
Sangwa sees the lame roleplayer dude walking around the plaza. He approaches him and hugs it.
The lame roleplayer dude says "lol you huged me!" then leaves to the arena, or off to his questy things.

What would you think of someone that would enter a game of tennis with you just because they like rackets? That person wouldn't be playing tennis, it would be just staring at the racket all the time. Would you contend with such a person?

Hello !

To move on in your picture:
If the person joins the same tennis club as I do - why should I care (equally to: Loging in to PS)
If he sits around beside the courts or wanders around between them and admires his racket - why should I care (equally to: Using the PS game mechanics)
If he is just standing at the other side of my court and doing nothing - here I would care and ask him to move a few meters so that I can do what I want to now (equally to: OOC chat in main tab)


So live and let live !

Sunshine

PlaneShift has an online server. This online server would be what we consider the court in tennis. When you play PlaneShift you must be connected to the server, right? That's how you play this game. Just like you have to enter a court when you want to play tennis.
To be part of the club is simply getting an account.

EDIT: Emerald, who is talking of taking the racket away and slapping the person on the face? You should read the part where I said it would be standard procedure to nicely direct these dudes to guides and GMs.
Geez. Sometimes I feel you guys want to see me as a kind of villain.

[bilbous]

I don't think you are some kind of villain, although I do kind of wonder about people who go around hugging strangers, makes me want to check my poke to make sure nothing is missing. I do think you have an arbitrarily excessive idea as to what is roleplay but that is just me and you are free to do as you like. Personally, I like to use what the mechanics allow or are slated to allow in the future as the basis of what my character can do. Ultimately I think that to properly role play you have to accept the limitations set by the functionality provided. You say that you can prevent someone from breathing using you hands to cover their face but I doubt that will ever be implemented. It is something you can conceive of doing but the closest you can come to actually doing it is to make a melee attack which requires a /challenge. The same thing goes for hugging though it is more likely to get implemented someday in a non-combat manner. If you hug me without permission I would hope to be allowed to knock you arse over tea-kettle with no need for a challenge ... a melee attack and not a weapon attack. Come to think of it though, if I am evil I might want to just shank you.

I do not think getting bogged down in specifics is what was intended for this thread so I'll leave it at that, for the moment.