Imperial Ground ? - What the heck .....

[bilbous]

Tempus Fugit, Redux.
Or is it Prelude and Fugue in G major?

[zhai]

Zhai walks down the street eating an apple.
Empire guy says: [btw, there's a gate by my right that leads into the building. it's half-way open and you can see there's a big cake inside]
Zhai mutters "Yummm... cake"

Now I got a reason to sneak in and get involved with your RP. My reaction could've been "Zhai shrugs and keeps walking". The choice is still mine and if I try to enter your RP space I should be ready for the consequences, like getting beaten up.

Tsk tsk, replying IC to something OOC, Zhai, you should know better.

I replied to something that wasn't said but that I could see, thus I said (to myself) "Yum, cake". IC reaction.

The main problem, as far as I can see (putting aside the fact that half the forum posters are whiners  ) is that we used the term "Imperial Grounds".  I can see why people don't like that but, it's just a misunderstanding.  When you hear Imperial grounds you think that the Empire owns a plot of land inside the city (which isn't completely unbelievable) and so you, quite rightfully so at this time, call it godmodding.  This fits into a wide spread problem of people not being able to understand that there are IC lies and exagerations.  The house is rented, that much everybody agrees with.  The land outside the house is guarded, if you can't understand this...yeah  .  The term "Imperial Ground" was used IC, it is in no way an OOC claim.  It's a piece of land that we keep people out of so we can conduct business, if the guard was alerted we could easily deny it and, seeing as you can not possibly bring forth proof, the guard would dismiss it.

No. The problem is that you're taking a piece of street and accusing those who happen to pass by of intruders when IC it is a public place. The threats have little to do with this. Rent all you want but don't take the streets and change their role for other players. That is where the godmodding dwells. I have no problem with anyone claiming they rent a place.

In summary
IC - Imperial Ground.
OOC - Piece of Hydlaa that the Empire keeps people out of.

Again: not the streets. They already have a meaning IC.

Now, unless you plan on arguing that people shouldn't strongarm others and that everybody should be nice and happy...I think this discussion is done.

Strongarm all you want. I have no problem with characters being themselves. Just don't godmod while you're at it.

@Sangwa: Common sense indeed.

[Zan]

Ok, ok .. we're not taking any streets or alleys or even buildings. The Empire will just conduct occasional meetings and other activities whereby their guards will shield the vital members from the broader public and thus possible harmful individuals. Not protecting land or anything here, just other people. Of course it does happen to be that we usually conduct our business in the same spot but hey .. coincidence huh.

Now if anyone still believes this to be godmodding .. then you're hopeless

[lordraleigh]

That is definetively not the way I would envision an Empire...

Back off! You iz in Imperial's Ground brudda! Back off or I will gots ta kill ya nigga!

It is better to wait for the proper features that will offer the proper challenges before claiming some territory as "Imperial Ground" on a make-believe. This act of claiming a region between streets as territory sounds more appropriate IC for "guilds" like The Outlaws and borders the line of godmodding as well. Perhaps we all should wait for the Tribes System before claiming lands. Specially lands that have a high probability of being public like city streets.

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27490.msg312867#msg312867

Ok, ok .. we're not taking any streets or alleys or even buildings. The Empire will just conduct occasional meetings and other activities whereby their guards will shield the vital members from the broader public and thus possible harmful individuals. Not protecting land or anything here, just other people. Of course it does happen to be that we usually conduct our business in the same spot but hey .. coincidence huh.

Now if anyone still believes this to be godmodding .. then you're hopeless

Refrain from using the term "Imperial Ground" then bro' or you wanna be messing with my turf!

[Zan]

Everything is public, except the Winch ... then again nothing might be public. Even the streets might belong to some wealthy merchant or politician. Why does one need to be a criminal to have a home?

And for the last time .. It's a bloody inner courtyard, not a street.

[Narure]

Claiming streets is fine as long as OOC you understand that what you are doing IC is illegal and accept the consiquences.

[lordraleigh]

Everything is public, except the Winch ... then again nothing might be public. Even the streets might belong to some wealthy merchant or politician. Why does one need to be a criminal to have a home?

And for the last time .. It's a bloody inner courtyard, not a street.

I don't think there is any fence, gate or wall blocking completely its entrance from those who don't have a key to open the gate

And those who claim parts of a city(smaller or larger) as their turf or territory are usually gangs.

[Karyuu]

I don't understand why you can't deal with this in-game.

[Zan]

* Zan places an three meter tall iron fence at the entrance to the courtyard and locks the only gate with a thick chain, then he puts the key in his inner pocket and stands guard infront of that gate

Happy now? .. wait no this is where you'll complain about there being no real fence and then I'll reply that it's impossible to have any real fences since the first functional door is only implemented recently .. and so on and so forth.

Isn't this discussion a grand contribution to the game and especially roleplaying?

Sorry, Kary .. it's just so hard to resist replying to hollow arguments for the umpteenth time ... okay maybe I should get back to my actual life now

[Nurahk]

In summary
IC - Imperial Ground.
OOC - Piece of Hydlaa that the Empire keeps people out of.

Again: not the streets. They already have a meaning IC.

Zhai, you misunderstood me.  Read the post over again.

Claiming streets is fine as long as OOC you understand that what you are doing IC is illegal and accept the consiquences.

To actualy kill somebody would be illegal, I doubt there is a law against guarding the land near your home, and even if there were, as I pointed out in my post, you'd be hard pressed to prove it

And for the last time .. It's a bloody inner courtyard, not a street.

So, pretty much, this is an IC matter and I doubt any of your characters really care so, next thread?

[Gharan]

This thread is ridiculous, arguing over whether a place can or not be rented when it clearly doesn't break any setting rules. As for the fact he said it was Imperial ground and it was said on the street, this is possibly because at the moment we have no access to these buildings or maybe he just got carried away with the RP. either way it doesn't warrant 7-8 pages of this nonsense. The guild I am in has held cerimonies in a certain place in Hydlaa for months.

If anyone thinks it's illegal for them to do this RP it accordingly in-game, don't drag it on the forums.

Personally I find your guild-house a good idea and my character being like he is will probably question IG if it's legal or not, which means more RP \o/

[Idoru]

You may use an area Gharan, but that doesnt equate to ownership, how do you treat those who enter the area when you are around?

[zanzibar]

This thread is ridiculous, arguing over whether a place can or not be rented when it clearly doesn't break any setting rules. As for the fact he said it was Imperial ground and it was said on the street, this is possibly because at the moment we have no access to these buildings or maybe he just got carried away with the RP. either way it doesn't warrant 7-8 pages of this nonsense. The guild I am in has held cerimonies in a certain place in Hydlaa for months.

If anyone thinks it's illegal for them to do this RP it accordingly in-game, don't drag it on the forums.

Personally I find your guild-house a good idea and my character being like he is will probably question IG if it's legal or not, which means more RP \o/

What disturbs me though is the reaction of the guild member to the supposed trespasser.  There was no good IC reason for it, unless you're A) psychotic or B) someone who goes around trying to start street fights for no good reason.

[Gharan]

What disturbs me though is the reaction of the guild member to the supposed trespasser.  There was no good IC reason for it, unless you're A) psychotic or B) someone who goes around trying to start street fights for no good reason.

You're right, but i'm sure it was a mistake, they happen.

@Idoru Renting is 100% different from ownership

[Narure]

Claiming streets is fine as long as OOC you understand that what you are doing IC is illegal and accept the consiquences.

To actualy kill somebody would be illegal, I doubt there is a law against guarding the land near your home, and even if there were, as I pointed out in my post, you'd be hard pressed to prove it

And for the last time .. It's a bloody inner courtyard, not a street.

So, pretty much, this is an IC matter and I doubt any of your characters really care so, next thread?

If i marched up to the top of my road and refused anyone access im sure the police would come have a word with me. And no my character couldnt care less but I'm sure the hydlaa gaurds would but as it happens they dont have AI as of yet hence why i think its godmodding... and i know I said I would shut up but that was yesterday