[GUILD] Helpers of Yliakum (rewritten)

[Earthling]

On Thursday the 8th June in 2006 a small group of five friends met in the depths of the Death Realm. Their names were Melorek, Silicite, Aherey, Haravey and Deroora.
Four of them had just experienced the collapse of their guild, the Helping Hands, and intended to found another guild that would allow them to help and aid others. The other one, Deroora, was new to helping and wished to join them in their goal.
After a short discussion about what this guild would stand for and also seek to accomplish through its members they placed their hands together and created their guild. The Helpers of Yliakum.

Things started off well, but after a while members became a problem. For several months Melorek, the guild's leader, wandered the realms of Yliakum as the lone member of the guild. Then one day as Melorek had finally given up hope in the guild and was thinking of going solo, Deroora returned.

At this point the guild flourished and grew rapidly in members, finally beginning to reach its goal on a larger scale. Within a few weeks there were over 50 members and it continued to grow. Several members due to their incredibly dedicated helping had soon reached the higher ranks of the guild.

Then Deroora vanished again, yet the guild continued.



Our website is available (yet a week out of date) at www.freewebs.com/yliakumhelpers or www.helpersofyliakum.co.nr
Our forums are available at http://yliakumhelpers.proboards101.com


New members shall always be welcome should they wish to help others.

I hope that this is better than my last attempt,
Melorek, On behalf of the Helpers of Yliakum.

[Raleigh]

I am simply putting a single question:

How many active guilds are there with "helping newbies" as the main goal?

I'm not saying that it's necessarily wrong, just that perhaps this is getting a bit saturated.

[Earthling]

I am simply putting a single question:

How many active guilds are there with "helping newbies" as the main goal?

I'm not saying that it's necessarily wrong, just that perhaps this is getting a bit saturated.

I agree that there are many helping guilds, although I do not believe that many of them are active. As much as it pains me to say it most of the active ones only have a few active members and/or seem to rapidly collapse

This guild has been going since June last year and has been running strongly now for nearly 5 months.

[Vampire_Orchid]

Uhmmm just a thought...but seeing as I am not a very 'high' ranked guildy...I was wondering if someone was going to list our guild in the guild directory forum? I really think it would be helpful and a good idea as in a way to get 'our' names and faces out there. Why not spread the word of friendship and wisdom our guild has to offer?

[Parallo]

Met in the Death Realm? Am I the only one that sees something wrong with that?

As for the lack of originality in guilds specificaly designed to help out newbies, who cares? I gave up moaning about guilds along time ago. If they're going to do such a thing then chances are that I will not come into contact with them. I managed to not come into contact with these people since 2006.

[Illyria]

I managed to not come into contact with these people since 2006.

It's a bit harder when you don't always (I dunno if you do) wearing armor, People almost always asume you're a newbie Because you don't have armor, and don't walk around with weapons in your hand  I thought a well though out description was enough to make you a non-newbie

* Illyria sighs "I was wrong"

[Raleigh]

Considering the amount of arbitrary /guildinvites, without even a previous OOC /tell asking about, that I got from certain "n00b helping guilds", I'm glad some of them are over for a some time.

[Parallo]

I managed to not come into contact with these people since 2006.

It's a bit harder when you don't always (I dunno if you do) wearing armor, People almost always asume you're a newbie Because you don't have armor, and don't walk around with weapons in your hand  I thought a well though out description was enough to make you a non-newbie

* Illyria sighs "I was wrong"

I never wear armour or carry weapons.

[Raleigh]

Sometimes the best armor for these situations is something called "Ignore_List"

[oningo]

Hmm getting back on topic    as i read through the posts in thsi thread i see that some players wont want anything to do with 'helping noob guilds'... fair enough thats their gaming choice. on helping noob guilds being many and over saturated... hmm i still see many noobs run and walk around...some are found wandering all the way on Bd road 1....which means they havnt been helped.

Just to remind .... i think most RP players today in game have got there due to the help of other older players who are and were playing before we got in. If it wasnt for thier help in teaching and stuff.. i ma sure more than half this community would not exist. It is over time i suppose we forget those humble beginings..well at least some may forget..while some others choose to let others do it.

On RP and a helping guild being OOC..... I am in this guild ...and we always start OOC with noobs and teach them RP and give info and tools to start the game. the Guild allows its members to RP with others in Ylaikum as individuals and also to excuse themselves during an rp with RP reasons to go and help a 'new soul that has entered this world' . But as a Guild we do not RP cos we are new souls centered as a guild...but as individuals we RP with others... Maybe you would have met vesego or pamal who RP more at harns?

As Xillix recently stated elsewhere in the forum... errr..i am new to this forum thing and this forum is huge! maybe checking his recent posts will show it... he has mentioned in a post i think of some complaint..that he observes that the community seems to have become a bit different and non inclusive....and states that new players should be encouraged and helped so the community can grow and then players will be less at each others necks... . So...are helping guilds necessary? maynot be...cos individuals can help..need not have a guild for it..... but if a guild has a IC Story for its existence, then it should not matter...and the IC reason for this guild to exist will be posted in the guild directory soon. I consider forum to be OOC and not IC.... so this forum thread has the OOC reason and how it was formed in that context. Now the thread called guild directly has explictely stated whats needed IC and OOC. So we are gonna post there in the near future. I hope that all help noobs....and also 'adopt'..by that i mean follow up on them for a week or two..and during that time get them intrested int he communtiy and RP.

One of my buddies was surprised when I told him i can help place 2 noobs that he met into guilds that suits them if he wants...but i cannot take them into our guild just cos they are noobs and need helping. I told him i will be glad to help them...but we identify those players...like orchid vampire for example who started helping other noobs in her second week! on her own...and then in the third week i invited her in..... so in case some think other wise...we help noobs and we dont do it to recruit... although we do err once a while...very few . thank you.

[Parallo]

Is a guild required though. I was able to help people just fine without one. That, plus, what sort of IC reason could it be? You can't claim that they're new souls. That means they can't have a backround which is bad. More IC and less making excuse to found guilds is what I'd like to see.

[oningo]

Yes you are correct about not needing a guild to help. However, in this guild we try to keep 'helping' on the near top of our list. Being guilded has its advantages in coordinating for helping purposes, if we need some one else to help a new player, we ask a guild member, and someone jumps in and helps them out...and since it is a guild that was made for helping..its easier to ask and coordinate amongst guild members, cos the guild page shows the locations of guild mates too.

The IC reason is there...earthling has been busy and has not yet posted a consice form of it yet in the guild directory...will be posted at his convinience.... also when i say new souls...we mean from the potals as such..and those new to that level too i guess....thats what i meant. My mistake for not having elaborated more on that. ok.. IC we help new people who come to this world and that particular level. Now... does that mean a new soul to this world (from another world) has no history??  No... they have an history, from earlier. Also, since many new players rp after 4 weeks or so (guesstimation here), they have time to have a history in this world (yliakum) too....

 Also i agree there should be more IC  ....and when some new players want to join our guild cos its convinient...we dont allow them into the guild. We encourage them to talk RP in sewers with other noobs, make buddies and then decide to join some guild recruiter there, or make enough friends. When they feel better and confident to take part in RP at harns and other places..maybe start thier own guild and stuff like that. We also help other players ..non-noobs too...and some like to search for bugs..many ways to helping..but easiest to describe noob helping 

Bottom line... we take in helpers..that means..people like cryss..who in her 2nd week ingame, was helping other newbies on her own..before we took her in. Well..just a recent example. We RP individually at our own pace. Some members do more...some less... the guild has a IC reson that its members can use or not use..most dotn..they do individual thing.. but as i have said..the driving force for members to be in this guild is cos thye want to help others ..and yes..thye could have done it alone..but they chose to do it in a guild...thier choice i guess...some stay on cos they made some good friends too... but do they RP? yes they do..how much do they rp? ..thier choice i guess.... does the guild have a RP reason? yes it has (will be posted when guild leader is free..he is very busy in real life).....why cant some body else post it?..well cos the IC reason for the guild's existence is due to the guild leader's IC....

Well..this is what 'The helpers of yliakum' is all about. And its fair to say that degree of RP and its classification can itself be debated..but in a different thread...since RP is creative and on imgination, it will always be relative to all, and a matter of much debate and thought. 

**EDIT BY ONINGO**

Edited to remove my usual typos and some gramer stuff that was very very horrid...err there are a few left..but the tone and info have not been changed. This was during Idoru's reply below. I totally agree with him. And We have tried to keep it IC and still give us flexibility to allow us OOC to help us make new players make the transition to IC and RP too. We ask for all players to help us help the community. Thank you.

[Idoru]

Well, I know of your guild a little, and helper guilds a fair amount. I see no problem with the guild other than the guild story needs a bit of thickening (if that makes sense). I wish you luck (well, Melorek luck) And I am quite sure that PS will ALWAYS have a place for helper guilds, and I doubt this 'niche' will never be fully filled by the players around. We can only hope that the community will always show itself as being helpful and informative. At least that is my main hope.

[Parallo]

Helping someone generally does trump anything I happen to be doing and it was that way before I joined a guild. Secondly, Lets say that someone makes a character that is a local middle aged man. Is it IC for you to run up and treat him like a foreign child? No, but it is rather nice to offer help in a tell. Things that are done in tells are not the basis for guilds. Guilds must be based on IC things. In summary, the things that you have cited to justify your guild are duties of any player and are not guild specific. We should all be finding bugs and helping newbies regardless of our IC affiliations. The only thing that can make this guild legitimate in my eyes is an IC reason for its existance. (DISCLAIMER: Keep in mind that I'm delighted with good guilds and am not trying to discourage you, but to encourage you to show us how great you can make it. Also, this is just one persons opinion.)

[oningo]

Dude! give a new player a while to get into the game to rp after knowing its story.... sheesh..at this rate we all joined the game as grwon ups ..not as babes...but we dont rp from the time we joined ..now did we... as i said rp is relative...if a close look is taken ..every rp has flaws. And to what you said parallo...yes it is a duty of every player...and we have rules and duties too...but helping is our primary duty..so its the name too .... and i think it can be guild specific too as long as we are within settings...if we wernt, i think the settings team would have changed its name and told us a reason. ANd as i said earlier we have an IC reason....the guild leader has to post it in the directory.

I got your PS  . Well as helpers we have to keep shifting IC to OOC...cos we are exposed to OOC a lot by new players. We do not expect a new player to RP at once! maybe in a few weeks time maybe. Some new players who can rp...do so within a week..cos thye just need to familiarise them selves more with NPC names and location names and settings...

well there will always be a problem on helpers being OOC and RP..and not being true Rpers i suppose... tough luck... settings have no problems with it..we group OOC them anyway...and also i take heart from what xillix has recently pointed out esle wehre in the forum.... the community should be more understanding of new comers and help the community grow and accept new players.. no i am not telling this to you parallo . This part is for the reader who reads this post and remembers the necessity of new players and helps them more. Thank you for your suppost guys .