Grammar and punctuation mistakes in object descriptions.

[zanzibar]

As content for the game increases at an exponential rate, I've been noticing more and more slip ups in the descriptions of various objects and quest items.  It's minor stuff, but annoying nonetheless and should be corrected.  One example of the kind of thing I'm noticing is the bench behind the guard tower near Harnquist:

"The white stone of this bench is dissimilar in relation to the other stone works in the area it is rumored that the sample used for these benches was brought to Hydlaa by the Stonebreaker clan who then decided to make benches as a gift to the city."

It should obviously be split into two sentences.  This isn't a particularly new example or a particularly bad one, but I'm surprised mistakes like these are slipping through.

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[neko kyouran]

I was under the impression that if a player saw a typo somewheres, they are to go to the bug tracker and make a report, in which the dev team looks at the report, fixes the issue and then closes the report. 

And everyone lives happily ever after.  Then end.

[zanzibar]

I was under the impression that if a player saw a typo somewheres, they are to go to the bug tracker and make a report, in which the dev team looks at the report, fixes the issue and then closes the report. 

And everyone lives happily ever after.  Then end.

The problem is that silly mistakes like this have been getting more common.  While they can be fixed, there are already systems in place which are supposed to act as safeguards.  So not only are these mistakes being made, but they aren't being caught.  I also think it isn't unfair to say that things like this affect the image of the game for newcomers, and that's a more or less mild concern.

[Josellis]

It is true that I have seen a few spelling and writing mistakes in PlaneShift. I saw one yesterday which was really obvious (can't remember what it was...). The worse part of all this is that a French speaker who came to Australia (where they have REELY BADD GRAMAR) spotted these mistakes (btw, that's me).

Personally, I find spelling mistakes one of the worth things which can go into a game because it just represents that the developers don't actually care of details or don't double check their work. Spelling mistakes can be very easily corrected by a very simple thing (I'll give you a hint, it's start with "dic")

they are to go to the bug tracker and make a report

Yes, they are to go. Now the question is, WILL they go? and they such spelling mistakes should never enter the game in the first place anyway...

[Jeraphon]

You're absolutely right. They are one of the worth (sic) things which can go into a game.

See, you could have easily corrected that by a very simple thing, but you didn't. I wonder what thing that starts with "dic" you were using.

Action locations (such as the bench) can be pretty easily fixed, all you have to do is send us a list in the bugtracker and we'll get right on it. Ditto quests. It's one of my pet peeves too, so there's no need to get uppity about it. If you don't think it's worth your time to submit the bug, then you're basically accepting it. So bring on the bugs!

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Editing is a process not an act. Adhere to the means in place to correct these things.

I challenge every player to take the time to bug tracker every single error in grammar and spelling in the game.

Do not tell me how "annoying" it is, take the proper action to have it fixed.

It is inherent in getting more material into the game that some things should slip.

The players act as the final copy editors because hundreds of sets of eyes are better than a few sets.

[zanzibar]

You're absolutely right. They are one of the worth (sic) things which can go into a game.

See, you could have easily corrected that by a very simple thing, but you didn't. I wonder what thing that starts with "dic" you were using.

Action locations (such as the bench) can be pretty easily fixed, all you have to do is send us a list in the bugtracker and we'll get right on it. Ditto quests. It's one of my pet peeves too, so there's no need to get uppity about it. If you don't think it's worth your time to submit the bug, then you're basically accepting it. So bring on the bugs!

Why are you writing like it's my fault?  It's not my game.  I'm not a dev.  I don't appreciate your tone.

Editing is a process not an act. Adhere to the means in place to correct these things.

The fact that mistakes are slipping through in such numbers means that the processes which are already in place should perhaps be reexamined.

I challenge every player to take the time to bug tracker every single error in grammar and spelling in the game.

Why would you do that?  It's your game, not ours.

Do not tell me how "annoying" it is, take the proper action to have it fixed.

I hate to break it to you, but it is annoying, and since the players are the end-users, that matters.

It is inherent in getting more material into the game that some things should slip.

Agreed.

The players act as the final copy editors because hundreds of sets of eyes are better than a few sets.

If we were all play testers, this would be true.  However I've found that the devs keep going back and forth on whether or not we're players or playtesters.  It seems that we're players without any rights, and we're playtesters who's opinions don't matter.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Zanzibar please discontinue with the rampant and useless quoting.

You may either use the bug tracker for these errors or live with their presence.

When I address the community at large there is no need for you to answer for them.

I have personally fixed scores of spelling and grammar errors through the bug tracker so the system in place works.

How you feel about anyone's tone is irrelevant to this discussion. 

[zanzibar]

Zanzibar please discontinue with the rampant and useless quoting.

It wasn't useless.  I was replying to each thing you said.  And it wasn't rampant, either - no more rampant than the way people post on other parts of the board.

You may either use the bug tracker for these errors or live with their presence.

I've always been a believer in "option C".

When I address the community at large there is no need for you to answer for them.

If you want to post something but you don't want people to reply to it, it might be helpful to add such a warning.  Otherwise... you'll just have to live with the presence of such replies.

I have personally fixed scores of spelling and grammar errors through the bug tracker so the system in place works.

I have no doubt that you're busy and you're good at what you do.

How you feel about anyone's tone is irrelevant to this discussion. 

I disagree.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Define your option C and how you think it is in any way constructive or useful to either you, me, the settings team, or the players.

[zanzibar]

Define your option C and how you think it is in any way constructive or useful to either you, me, the settings team, or the players.

I already did in a previous post.

[Karyuu]

Which is basically "Be more careful of the content that ends up in the game."

The BugTracker is public and exists for the community as much as for the developers. Whether or not you are "player testers" or just "players," using the BT to report problems is a commendable thing. And as Xillix said, a hundred pairs of eyes are better than a tiny handful. If anyone is going to complain at this point about the amount of work using the BT involves, consider the sheer amount of work the settings team does to provide content at all. We don't ask for anything in return for sharing with you this free game, aside some easily-given help such as reporting what we miss.

If there's a larger abundance of typos and language issues, I'm sure Xillix and Jeraphon and others will try their best to check content with a keener alertness. Yet I would still ask you guys not to forget to offer your own assistance when you spot something that needs fixing.

[Jeraphon]

For the record, your example for the Hydlaa plaza benches has since been fixed, as have a few other action locations in the area.

If you have any other spelling or grammar errors to point out, use the bugtracker.

[zanzibar]

Which is basically "Be more careful of the content that ends up in the game."

The BugTracker is public and exists for the community as much as for the developers. Whether or not you are "player testers" or just "players," using the BT to report problems is a commendable thing. And as Xillix said, a hundred pairs of eyes are better than a tiny handful. If anyone is going to complain at this point about the amount of work using the BT involves, consider the sheer amount of work the settings team does to provide content at all. We don't ask for anything in return for sharing with you this free game, aside some easily-given help such as reporting what we miss.

If there's a larger abundance of typos and language issues, I'm sure Xillix and Jeraphon and others will try their best to check content with a keener alertness. Yet I would still ask you guys not to forget to offer your own assistance when you spot something that needs fixing.

I'm right, you're right, everyone's right, so let's not argue or attack eachother.

[Nicana]

I've noticed some (grammatical errors) in quests, and because I'm a fairly new player, wasn't sure what to do with them.  Just to clarify ... this would go in the "petitions" box (I obviously can't get online right now to try it out )?