Regarding to drah's original post (yet most of the other posts were flames about what's implemented or not and about what one knows irl or not and so on - no hard feelings, guys, but read the thread as a whole again and you'll notice the same)
Fights at plaza are, of course, not always ooc, there have been fights directly at harns shop being totally ic with a reason for the fight
just giving an example: dermorian lords enslaving enkis, enkis were hunted, got to decide to get enslaved freely or get enforced to it. we all know that enkis are as proud as dwarfs, so hardly an enkis let them enslave them without defending theirselves -> fight -> enki got beaten and enslaved.
this is just one example, i am sure there have been a lot of other examples.
Some fights are OOC all over, no rp behind, nothing just a plain challange. (to stay neutral on this matter i won't look up my logs to prove that
)
about the army of 50 fighting at the plaza: guards or not is not the matter, not at all. one can't tell me that if an army of 50 comes right up to the plaza and wars against another guild everyone else would keep doing their own businesses. peasants probably will get scared and run away until it is safe again. lawful guilds probably would try to interact in one or another way. guilds based on fightings (guarding guilds, rangers, warriors etc etc [not meaning the guild names here
]) will most probably jump in and either join one side or enforce the peace on plaza, depending on what the guild is about. but who, seriously, is going to tell me that people would just ignore it and keep doing their stuff? thats like telling me (getting back to london
) that if 2 groups of hooligans would just fight eachother somewhere in central london everyone else would just continue the shoping tour, the sightseeing tour or whatever. i for myself care for my life and would most probably run to somewhere i won't get attacked by them (by accident?)
about the gm reaction i have read about here (wasn't at plaza when that happened): i think the sliding up and freezing was a way to make you stop for a moment to listen to the gm's (noone can tell me they'd reply on tells while being in a fight
) and after releasing it most probably was a mistake of the gm to not teleport you down again - gm's also are only humans, don't we all make mistakes from time to time?
[at the gm's, feel fre to correct me here if my point of view is wrong]
about the war these guilds had: it may have started ic, but mate, it ended in a mess. i haven't seen the beginning, just a bit of it at plaza and then a lot of it in dr while checking my mules for an item - what i saw there, was very much ooc in my opinion, not to blame anyone i blame both: both sides did it, i watched it for a while and what i saw: enemy spawn in dr, x people around slaying him right away, if he made it out of the entrance hall he was found at the dr spawn just a few moments later -> got slain again right away at the spawn point.
it is, in my opinion, very much ooc to wait at a spawn point and kill someone right away before he even gets the chance to react - also imho it's senseless to war down there, since it's the realm of the dead, one is already dead when he enters the realm, killing the dead?
[again, this is just my opinion]
about this thread: drah made up a good question, he was actually asking for the opinion of the community and maybe also of the devs and gm's, yet the whole thread turned into a total flame war. i wonder why you can't just simply read a thread, answer it in a polite way with your opinion and check back for replies? why you have to insult eachothers? (yet i dislike valorius and she knows that, but i won't call her off of the forum for telling her opinion. she may have stressed her experiences from RL too much, but is that actually a reason to call her off? she may or may not have missed the point, is that a reason to call her off? she may or may not have insulted you, but aren't you smart enough to oversee such and answer neutral? if you think this are reasons for calling her off, then please think about yourself - because you did the same. if you're not smart enough to oversee the insults and answer neutraly, then why even wasting your time with an answer to her? *grin* i know what i am talking about - i learned from my faults)
resume: this thread should be closed by a moderator to prevent further flaming
PS: don't we all play the game to have a great time and fun? do we have to trouble eachother on the forums? really? think about it please.
PS2: if you feel offended by any of my comments, feel free to ignore them - i didn't address you directly
(and i mean all of you, not single persons)
greetings, cebot
PS3:
More often than not, developers avoid stepping into something that looks like a bee hive with players passionately arguing amongst each other. So if you have a question on something, I would recommend you get in contact with a dev directly.
A pity tho, really. Devs could easily stop these arguings by just stepping in and giving a clear answer about the given question
