The RP?????

[Coneitic]

and gms dont work that hard. not to knock you guys but its not that tough of a job, any gm will agree.

No way did you just say that.

i did and i stand by it. i have made friends with many gm's. the majority of them enjoyed being on when i was to listen. heres a run down of their jobs. hide in a corner... listen to shouts auction, sometimes regular speech. find inappropraite behavior. hop on to IRC inform of what the incident was and what they are doing to fix it. then fix it. also they recieve tells of people complaining and quest problems. and they answer it if they dont know it they ask in irc and then answer it. that is not a hard job, very easy to do especially when the max amount of people is only 200.

and thats a great idea bout the gm's draklar. only problem is this. i applied to be a gm once. i was told the mian thing i had to know was game mechanics and quest.  i spoke of being an RP GM to help control encourage and filter  rp. that was shot down in a second.
i have been told in the recent year many gms have been leaving due to being treated as players when it comes to the game. their ideas shot down and deleted from forums. so what does that leave? people who are playing other games so they can actually play a game and just alt tabbing to find tells. and i know for a fact i am not wrong on this part because i have spoken with many gms in the past and recently.

[Karyuu]

Where are you guys getting all these ideas about things being deleted from the forums lately? Please stop making such assumptions, because it's incredibly aggravating and most of all false. I don't have the energy to deal with all these wild conclusions all at once, so if you have a question about something like that or hear it from someone, check with me before you go on posting it as something definitely true. And check with Kerol as well.

Not everything you hear is true, folks!

[Coneitic]

i gathered the information of post being deleted from 3 other gms' and i dont want to state their names. thats what i am going on you might be right they might be lying. i have no idea if they are or not but who do i belive?

and at the moment im talking about gm post being deleted.

[Karyuu]

Sure some GM posts get deleted - they may be caught in a crossfire with someone and things get too heated, so a thread may be cleaned up. It's happened. Happened to me as well. But when it comes to "their ideas shot down and deleted from the forums," that's crazy talk.

[Coneitic]

So here it goes the infamous list. 

Brief introduction, i know not all will agree and i know most will not happen but as a tester
i feel its my duty to give opinions and ideas, considering most likely, we play the game more
than the dev's. also this is in no way an attack on having quest or lvls or crafting, i think
that aspect of the game has been moving along great and constantly improving i commend on that.
its just... the rp.... here it goes


1. Open Housing.
   I would like to see more buildings "hollowed" out. As ive stated numerous times i
learned the majority of my trias and role playing skills playing a bartender in Kada-El's
tavern. I belive it would encourage people to open buisneses and create a positive rp interaction
instead of just spamming the auction channel with WTB WTS WTT one liners. Some buildings already
are large enough to say hold a few shops, maybe just throw in a floor some walls and a counter.
one of the things i love about Oja is the open buildings. It gives a great chance for people to
make trias without the constant grind. and i would like to point out i in no mean this be the
"housing" that is intended in the final version. i am against that but thats another topic.
These buildings offer the best encouragement for rp interaction with minimal changes. I mean do
we really need an NPC to do everything? when i was a bartender i would buy rat hides from noobs
just to help them along with learning the game. of course they would have to rp the sale for me
to buy it =)

2. Militia
   I would like to see a realtime, realactive, realplayer policing unit. It would create
constant rp interaction and truely encourage drama. there are several ways to do this. One would be
having GM's handle it. Another would be a Individualy picked squad of alts with a higher skill level
or even a single individual picked put in charge of creating a group. The laws they would enforce would
be handed down by the system of government already in place. Then im sure comes to mind "what if they
abuse powers and become corrupt" as with most policing units in the world. The GM's could monitor them.
by complaints or what they see. also i belive civilians should be able to fight back tho they might not win
they should either have some chance or at least a chance with numbers. this way balancing the crime vs police
seesaw. This idea i belive would be the easiest to implement seeing as how it would take no update and since
this is a beta its worth a shot to see how it works. if not enough policing units are on at most times then
you recruit more. if they abuse power or show they cant handle it responsibley they are stripped of it. maybe
a quest or two to determine if you qualify for it combined with game activity and experience? of course this
way would require no special skills givin which woudl be fine. player based community =)

3. GM Intervention
   I would like to see GM's interven more with the world of Yliakum. maybe a way to make their commands
anonymous to us but not to a server log. Therefore they could patrol the land and keep it appropraite without
blowing their cover. I would like to see them encourage more RP even if its just random people and new people.
i understand we the testers have a responsiblity to promote and imply RP to the community but should the
responsibility rest solely on our shoulders? as they are game moderators they could moderate the RP community
not only be filtering out inappropriate actions but also moderating a newbies adjustment to the world as well
as testing and pushing more experienced players to continue role playing. And lastely i would like to see under
this section GM Intervention with Occasional RP's going on. Not Everyday not once a week but randomly. if an rp
is going on whether planned or spontaneous and its starting to grow maybe a few commands can be given to them to
encourage the rp to go further. maybe bring an element of supprise into the rp. something they can do thats creative
and enjoyable. If say someone is cursing the gods and say laanx speaks back "feel my wrath" and all of a sudden
monsters are in the plaza targeted on the blasphemist it woudl make people get more involved. or say the statue started
to glow or fire errupted. you know something in that nature. not only would people get a kick out of it and really
enjoy it, they would strive to continue rping more and more in the off chance something could happen. and it doesnt
have to be something big. it could be say someone who is asking for an apple because they cant reach the tree and rping
that well all of a sudden all the trees could drop a galore of apples. just examples you guys are the creative ones.
and i want to stress for all this the importance of making gm's anonymous with their commands. just to add im talking minor intervention not big helping on rps that effect the world. think small not large.

4. GM's In General
   GM's are there to moderate inappropriate behavior and help with stuck issues and quest. how long do you expect
a person to stay a gm when they cant even play the game?!?!??! a simple taking away of the banner and making commands
anonymous would fix this greatly. they could moderate the game from the inside and really take part in the game. As
for events, they are a joke. they take away from rp. people see the banner and oooooo i might get a reward lemme go do what
they say. more events form anonymous gms without rewards would boost more rp even with the slight hope they might get a reward.
maybe even a set of gm's solely for rp. as if thats their main job.
 

5. The Chat box
   i cannot belive the chat box was taking away. that completely hinders rp. heres an example =)

RP in arena in last year's version:

Drahlian: Greetings Sir Coneitic.
Coneitic: Hello Drahlian. How have your travels been lately?
Drahlian: Very well. I've been fortunate to not see many dwarves lately.

Now,  the same conversation in the current version without Chat tab:

Drahlian: Greetings Sir Coneitic.
Freddie changes to a bloody stance.
Freddie changes to a bloody stance.
Freddie changes to a defensive stance.
Susan changes to a bloody stance.
The rogue is badly wounded.
Freddie changes to a bloody stance.
Coneitic: Hello Drahlian. How have your travels been lately?
Freddie changes to a bloody stance.
Freddie has killed the Rogue.
Susan changes to a normal stance.
Henry attacks Gladiator.
Drahlian: Very well. I've been fortunate to not see many dwarves lately.
Henry changes to a bloody stance.
The Gladiator is badly wounded.
Freddie changes to a bloody stance.
[THE SERVER IS NOT RESPONDING]

   this was givin to me in a PM by.. well i'll let you guess. and it hits the nail on the head. this completely
takes away the feel for rp and puts the fact its a game into perspective. and i know this is a game so dont knit pick at
that line.. just when you rp you should try to take that factor out and like ive said many times. become the charactor
not let the charactor become you.

6. RP counsel
   This is an important aspect i think is missing in the game. when i asked to speak with a gm dev once i was told
"there is no one RP dev we all work together on it". i think this is a big mistake. i belive there should be a counsil of
rp players solely for rp. it should be made up of testers and gms and maybe a dev or to and used solely to enhance rp in the game.
it would be a great way for devs to speak specifically with tester and such about ways to improve rp. who better to explain
the pro's and con's of rp in the game than the ones playing the game only for that? the counsel can be selected how ever
you judge on skills and talents or exp or whatever, thats your call just please implement this i think its very vital to the growth
of rp in this game.

7. PP for Rp
   what about getting pp for rp? engaging in roleplaying for say 10 min gives you 1 pp. the longer you stay and rp the
more pp you get. larger the crowd more pp you can obtain. i do not know a way for coding with this but it does fall into the
anonymous gm's job. it would intensely encourage and push people to rp.

8. Kada-El's Tavern
   GIVE US BACK THE TAVERN!!!!!!!!!! im almost positive Kada would rather her bar be handled by the players than by some lame
NPC.

9. Marriage
   So people can just randomly marry someone? what is that how is that good rp? why not make that option available after you reach
a certain level in crystal way, or as a follower of laanx or specific quest that unlock that ability. there fore they must speak to
a qualified "priest" or whatever and promote more rp.

10. Actions
   what is with this sneezing? how are u supposed to rp with someone when they are sneezing every 2 seconds? its not even spanned out.
if they are sitting down they stand up and sneeze and sit back down every 2 seconds. its retarded. hahahaha funny joke.. it sucks seriously.
ruins the atmosphere.


There. 10 changes that could be made rather easily and greatly fix the rp aspect of the game. remember these are ideas, and any
examples i used with coneitic are just examples. i in no way imply that it should be done how i did it. Also this is beta meaning
test so why not try these things out? it wont hurt anything and can be deleted if doesnt work. i think the mindstate is of a final game
thats not finished.. not a testing game thats not finished. the new clients are like patches more than updates. Also please dont respond with
"we have been working on it, it takes time" i understand it takes time but come on, i've been through like 4 or 5 brand new clients and hell,
so much new stuff has been added that that would almost be an insult. i also understand that many list like this have been presented and been
dismissed just as easily or easier than created.  so i am prepared for that.

If any of this is appealing and you would need help i would gladly do so. and i dont mean i expect to be apart of any of the changes whether mine
or anothers so please dont take this as me using an effort to become a gm or a higher person in the game. not to say im against it just its not my
intention.

and i wanted to add i understand i cant just sit back and complain so i have come back to the game to do my part to help... before anyone tries and point that out

[Karyuu]

I'll jump right in.

1. Open Housing.

Current house models are not going to be redone to create more open space - Hydlaa is a largely residential city. However do keep in mind that it's not completed yet, even as it is now - there will be more sections in the future, and I will try to make sure they all have enough open houses for players to utilize. So I'm in agreement there and I will work towards this.

2. Militia

An interesting idea right now, but of course you have to answer the question of how they will handle those who refuse to RP, or refuse to RP with the militia members and instead do whatever they want? Are these people going to be punished by GMs? Will we be enforcing roleplay then instead of encouraging it? I can see a guild of dedicated, trustworthy players roleplaying guards - with dev approval - but they will run into problems. How do you foresee them dealing with such scenarios?

3. GM Intervention

I believe the GM team is discussing something of this nature. I'm not free to give out any details, unfortunately, but some ideas and thoughts are floating around internally. But many of the RP scenarios you suggested in this topic are simply not possible due to engine restrictions. The statue is a static object and cannot move, we cannot create spontaneous fire effects, apples cannot plummet from trees in a group, and monsters cannot spawn randomly and attack a specific target. So we have to work with what is possible at this stage, and it may not be a very impressive list just yet. Also keep in mind once again that not every RP will have GM and Settings approval, no matter how awesome players may think it to be. It can be a really big event and draw a lot of attention, but if it doesn't align with the way Yliakum should be, it's just not going to get any official help.

4. GM's In General

GMs can play the game whenever they have time. Many choose not to because they prefer using their new status to help players. And please don't insult the GMs efforts right now. Saying that something is a joke and takes away from RP when the GM team is trying so hard to make this game fun for you guys, is incredibly rude. So tone down your words, because respect goes both ways. Everyone here is trying very hard - do not under any circumstances downplay someone's efforts. I am very serious about this. Anonymous GM events ties in with #3, and something like this is being discussed as I stated.

5. The Chat box

Correct me if I'm wrong, but can you not choose what messages get sent to the main tab? Get back to me on this please after you check. You may be able to move the system messages out of there entirely and never see them, so this issue may be irrelevant.

6. RP counsel

I already addressed this, and it's not going to change. Everyone on the dev and GM teams is concerned about RP, and everyone works towards it. We don't need a separate team for this. Your suggestion is like trying to take what is already in our mindset and create a separate appendage for it. It would be absolutely useless, and inefficient.

7. PP for Rp

There is no way to code this, no way to judge when you are roleplaying and when you are not. GMs are not going to judge anyone's roleplay and give them PP rewards. People would cry about abuse and favoritism, and we are not going to go there. This suggestion is simply not possible.

8. Kada-El's Tavern

The settings team will move the current bartender to the side, so that players can have that space again. This is a simple request, but we would have been more more open about it if it was voiced differently in the beginning. Ask, don't demand. Suggest, don't order. We can't please everyone all the time, but we're open to making changes if people raise a good, calm argument. Keep this in mind next time. Ease off the caps and exclamation marks - it's not a life-or-death situation, it's not a crisis. Good netiquette will earn you much much respect.

9. Marriage

If people "randomly" marry someone, that's their problem. You are supposed to roleplay and marry when your characters have decided upon it. Don't blame the system, it's not being abused. But marriage being available only when you have a certain skill level..? How does that make sense? It doesn't. Involving a priest however sounds like a good idea, except players can roleplay priests right now too. Everything is in your hands, guys. You just have to use it. If you want an NPC and a different system for marriage, propose a detailed idea in the Wishlist and we can take it from there.

10. Actions

That's the idle animation, and every game has one. If you think the female Ynnwn's is too extreme, we can try to rework it. Now if the idle animation plays when you sit, that's a bug and we are going to fix that as soon as we can. Tone down your words, again. Don't insult people's work.

Be careful with assuming that some changes is easy, too. Unless you're a programmer or a game artist, it's often hard to understand the difficulty in many of the wishes players have. Some things may take a few minutes to change, and some we have been working on for three years and are still not finished with. Just be careful with expecting things to happen at a certain time, because it sucks to have to deal with disappointment later.

[Coneitic]

Also please dont respond with
"we have been working on it, it takes time" i understand it takes time but come on, i've been through like 4 or 5 brand new clients and hell,
so much new stuff has been added that that would almost be an insult. i also understand that many list like this have been presented and been
dismissed just as easily or easier than created.

so out of all that you move kada over a few feet?

you give the same reasons that have been giving for months and update after update.

1. I.E. low priority for you guys.

2. finding reasons not to do it rather than trying it. like i said this is beta. instead of trying to forsee problems that might arise. try to forsee how it might help. u give a explenation of people who dont want to rp. that falls under a GM's problem not the militia.. the militia is there for the rp'ers and the rp'ers alone.

3. "we are working on it" same old excuse.

4. i understand they work and im thankful but i do not believe they should be put so high on a pedestal as you dont belive eid should have been...

5. thats perfect for us who play alot... what about the noobs? i didnt see where it told me that option as i downloaded or installed the game.

6. translation: rp is not high on our list. we all discuss it and talk about it... but then the next installment has no implementation of rp factors. do... and how often do all you devs play the game?

7. Understood.

8. thanks if you were implying i was demanding.. all these were suggestions and plain asking. and please if your going to move her at least put her under the painting or maybe by the fireplace.

9. maybe i wasnt clear. people should marry you who have the skill... i dont think anyone can just marry themselves. i think you should have to obtain a license persay through a quest or a high faction with the temple of laanx. having to bring in a third party rp'er who can marry the two would add to the effect.

10. idle?? every 2 seconds isnt not idleing its spamming.

[Karyuu]

so out of all that you move kada over a few feet?

That's not Kada, first of all, and that's the only change we can make that quickly. I cannot snap my fingers and create engine features, nor can I organize GM events or reorganize the GM structure. What did I say about expecting things to happen at a certain time? Relax, Coneitic. I know you're eager to see new things happen, but they take time. How is saying "That's all?" encouraging to us?

you give the same reasons that have been giving for months and update after update.

That is because those reasons are still true. Would you rather me be honest with you, or invent some bizarre conspiracy that has all the devs cackling in the background about how we're going to turn PS into the next Silkroad? If you're not satisfied with the reasons I gave you, I can only apologize. I don't have any others.

1. I.E. low priority for you guys.

New areas are not a low priority for us. They just take a lot of skill and a lot of time to put together, not to mention planning. It takes the whole team - artists to create the map and its assets, engine to make sure it loads in the game without issues, settings to fill it with life and give it a story.

2. finding reasons not to do it rather than trying it. like i said this is beta. instead of trying to forsee problems that might arise. try to forsee how it might help. u give a explenation of people who dont want to rp. that falls under a GM's problem not the militia.. the militia is there for the rp'ers and the rp'ers alone.

I'm not finding reasons not to do it, Coneitic. Don't be presumptuous. But before we embark on anything in this project, we have to discuss as many ins and outs as we can and make sure some problems are eliminated right from the get-go. If we put all our effort into something and just say "What the heck, we'll just see how it goes," we might be wasting even more time in the long-run. By discussing potential issues before they arise, we save time that we can then spend elsewhere developing the game. So instead of brushing my reply off, please consider it and give me a thought-out reply. You have a developer listening to you, so use this opportunity to the best of your abilities. Saying "That's not their problem" in a scenario isn't making the problem disappear. It's delegating it to someone else who then has to brainstorm on something you created. Get back to me on this.

3. "we are working on it" same old excuse.

How are you not being rude right now? Take a step back and consider how your words may appear to me and other developers and Game Masters. We are working, and on many different things at once. Some changes happen that sometimes set something back to the beginning - Kerol was made GM Team Leader not too long ago in the Big Picture, and he's done some really great things with the team already. But these things take a while. Sometimes longer than we'd all like, team members included, but not everything can be rushed. When I tell you that something is being worked on, I'm being honest. This is an idea that is being discussed, and although I cannot tell you when anything will be finalized, because we just don't know yet, I am sure you will see some results in the future.

4. i understand they work and im thankful but i do not believe they should be put so high on a pedestal as you dont belive eid should have been...

It's not a matter of being put on a pedestal, Coneitic. It's a matter of being respectful. Saying that a GM's efforts to improve roleplay via events is a joke, is very rude. GMs often spend hours working on an event, and staying up late into the night to make sure it is completed and the players leave happy. If you don't like the quality of events, that's a perfectly acceptable opinion to hold. But if you want to be taken seriously and if you want the GMs to respond to you with courtesy, you must extend it to them and not insult the work they do.

5. thats perfect for us who play alot... what about the noobs? i didnt see where it told me that option as i downloaded or installed the game.

Newbies are advised to read guides before they jump into the game. An overwhelming majority don't, but we also cannot make the game installation into a giant tutorial and a guide right there and then. They will miss some things, inevitably. However they can always ask, and they will always get answers - if not in the game itself and via support on the forums. We can discuss making the system messages pull out of the main tab by default if you'd like. If you put together a small summary of what messages should and should not appear in the main tab, that would help.

6. translation: rp is not high on our list. we all discuss it and talk about it... but then the next installment has no implementation of rp factors. do... and how often do all you devs play the game?

You don't need to make this hard on me, Coneitic. I'm not here to ruin your game or destroy your RP. I'm here to help you. So if you can back off on this attitude, I will seriously appreciate it. We're mature people, we can discuss this without snide remarks. I will just ignore such comments in the future entirely, so be careful with what you say.

8. thanks if you were implying i was demanding.. all these were suggestions and plain asking. and please if your going to move her at least put her under the painting or maybe by the fireplace.

She'll be put to the side of the bar, as far as I understand. Her position is easily changed however, so we can tweak as necessary if the first move isn't the best for you guys. (But, I don't consider all caps and a dozen exclamation marks "plain asking.")

9. maybe i wasnt clear. people should marry you who have the skill... i dont think anyone can just marry themselves. i think you should have to obtain a license persay through a quest or a high faction with the temple of laanx. having to bring in a third party rp'er who can marry the two would add to the effect.

Okay, thanks. I misunderstood the original suggestion. I like the idea, maybe we can take it to the Wishlist and get it polished some more.

10. idle?? every 2 seconds isnt not idleing its spamming.

And that's exaggerating The idlevar1 animation does not play every two seconds. We will see if it can be redone. Again, we can't do this immediately, but it has gone on my To-Do.

[Jeraphon]

We understand that people liked to play bartender and that's fine. But the fact they had no bartender was an oversight, not an intent. People asked us for a bartender and we complied. I happen to like Allelia. I think she'll be fine at the side and behind the bar, but I'm not moving a bartender to the fireplace. Busy taverns like Kada-El's can have more than one bartender.

It's funny how mention that open housing in Ojaveda is good, because I don't think I've ever heard of one complaint that Brado exists, and I don't think I've ever heard of people roleplaying behind the then-empty House of Wheat or alchemy shop. Nobody complained that it was ruining their RP when Orchibaly and Vladovic were added.

We'll be happy to look into open housing in the future, and it will probably happen, but it will fall to the PCs to use them.

[Coneitic]

for one oja is a great city... except the fact 1 or 2 people are there at a time and no complaints are usually due to inactivity.

now i know i got a little rude and i apologize. but the whole take time thing is played out. there are plenty of things especially the policing unit that has been around for months  years even.. and u say you guys need time to talk about it. alot of the things on the list have been around for a while from other people. i know things take time. but constant use of the phrase gets worn out. especially when there has been ample time.  and certain aspects have been entered into the game where the same coding could have been duplicated for rp. take.... take the new oven by harns would it not have been just as easy to place a hut there? a couople of huts next to harns where people can stand and sell things so the auction and the shout isnt spammed with merchants? youve got to understand i know this takes time and things dont happen at the snap of a finger... but how long is time? would a deadline be so bad? would maybe putting one project to the side to work on another be rough.

and as for the gm comment being a joke.... it is a joke by rp standards and i stand by that statement. whether the planning took long or someone tried very hard to make it work. if you look at it through the eyes of roleplay.. its a joke as ive said before its not getting people involved with a role play.. its everyone seeing a banner and saying ooooo what kind of reward can i get.

also you never commented on the changing of the gm banner and making gms anonymous... could you simply change the color from yellow to light green? then it wouldnt look so bad.

and the gm intervention. your explenation of what would work and wouldnt work is perfect. i couldnt agree more so how about we implicate that.

[Karyuu]

take the new oven by harns would it not have been just as easy to place a hut there? a couople of huts next to harns where people can stand and sell things so the auction and the shout isnt spammed with merchants? youve got to understand i know this takes time and things dont happen at the snap of a finger... but how long is time?

People were asking us for more crafting equipment, so we placed more. Players asked, we listened. We didn't do this randomly because we thought the ovens and furnaces would be cool there. We did it because it was requested. Now would you rather have me work on huts (because we don't have any, but we have crafting equipment already created) or have me work on a missing character model? On missing animations? On a new map? I prioritize a little differently, and to me progress is not having a large number of miscellaneous art additions - it's larger. It's having all the races finished, new areas to explore, more costume choices, effects for all spells, etc. Sometimes what you really want isn't what we consider the most important. And don't throw roleplay into this category. Because character models and areas and costumes do nothing but facilitate RP.

also you never commented on the changing of the gm banner and making gms anonymous... could you simply change the color from yellow to light green? then it wouldnt look so bad.

Recheck these messages.

and the gm intervention. your explenation of what would work and wouldnt work is perfect. i couldnt agree more so how about we implicate that.

"Implicate" is the wrong word, you probably mean implement. But you did not give me any answers about how we would handle the situations I first spoke of. Stop being in a rush for a moment and take some time to imagine this system through and through. You have player guards - GMs don't have time right now to patrol cities under this disguise, because the team isn't big enough yet - how do they handle those people who refuse to acknowledge them?

[Coneitic]

that activation.. the code is a code for color... change that code to the neon green color.

i will think about he policing thing a little more and get back to you but for a quick answer... the duel challenge... change it so the police squad dont have to challenge they can simply start a duel.

and i understand your prioritys.

Now would you rather have me work on huts (because we don't have any, but we have crafting equipment already created) or have me work on a missing character model? On missing animations? On a new map? I prioritize a little differently, and to me progress is not having a large number of miscellaneous art additions - it's larger. It's having all the races finished, new areas to explore, more costume choices, effects for all spells, etc. Sometimes what you really want isn't what we consider the most important. And don't throw roleplay into this category. Because character models and areas and costumes do nothing but facilitate RP.

new avatars, new charactors only promote rp a little... i would rather you work on a few huts or tents that would take very little time compared to what you are working on to promote rp. it would promote it about as much as a new charactor and a new avatar and a new map...... but take a lot less time. i dont mean just concentrate on one, i was simply asking to maybe toss the hard hard projects on the back burner for maybe a week and maybe throw in some quick rp additions i have suggested. just for a small amount of time.


as for policing i would gladly make an alt and help out in game.... i would gladly become a gm to help as would alot of people. i have the experience i have the understanding of rp. maybe ingame i could help. especially with the policing.. i can promise i wont abuse power but then again whats a promise on the internet right? well as soon as you see abuse or irresponsiblity that privilage could be revoked. same with a gm. im here to help in any way and i know alot of people are.. if you lack numbers ask and i can guarantee you can find people willing. take this example... example..

you take me, and make me in charge of this police force.. you also give me commands such as a gm would have.. maybe extra strength whatever i could be the chief. i enforce rules that are handed to me with a select group of people. and as for me or anyone who would be qualified would have friends they know would love to make an alot and help out. we handle the rules. and keep order. if say someone breaks the rules we handle them. if someone refuses to follow the rules of rp of the world.. then the gm commands come into play as would they come into play whether it ws policing or not.

as i remember it is required to rp in this world. if someone is new and doesnt understand of course they would get coaching and warnings and talks about how it works before a simple sword banishes them.

[Karyuu]

I'm going to have to disagree with how you prioritize art development, and we'll have to agree to let it go right now - I'm not changing what the art team is working on. There are also art assets I need to work on that have been on the backburner for much longer than a week. But everything I create, it's meant to help players roleplay and enjoy the game. That also stands true for every other developer.

If you have an interest in applying to be a GM, talk to Kerol. I don't manage the GM team and they have a much better application process now than they did several months ago. Basically you would get farther with this topic discussing it with him rather than me.

But, you're not going to see GM commands in the hands of players. No one will be able to kick or ban or teleport anyone else if they have not met Talad's personal approval. Not all GMs have those commands, even. They are divided by level and earn commands as they earn trust. If GM commands are involved, every member on this guard team will need approval and constant monitoring, so it'll basically be another branch of the GM team. They will need rules on what commands they may use, and in what scenarios. Are you going to kick a player if he steals something and refuses to RP with the guards? Are you going to ban a player who does it repeatedly? How are you going to reward players who do a good job, and what system of rewards will you employ?

I am thinking of something much simpler, that is entirely player run - a group of dedicated players in a guild called "Hydlaa Guards" or something similar, who RP their patrols and follow the rules as dictated by the settings. Nothing more. And this can already be done, and has been done in the past. People stopped because they found themselves lacking in time and later lacking in enthusiasm to continue. If you can get a really dedicated group of players to try this again, maybe it will work. But here's the thing - they won't be able to deal with OOC interruptions and OOC issues. They'll roleplay only with people who want to roleplay, and they won't be able to do anything more.

You guys as a community can already attempt this. Why isn't it happening?

[neko kyouran]

as i remember it is required to rp in this world. if someone is new and doesnt understand of course they would get coaching and warnings and talks about how it works before a simple sword banishes them.

it is not required. it is strongly recommended, however.

[Coneitic]

it  cant be done by player base and heres why.

you cannot stop a player from doing something if he can defeat you in a duel right? because there is no ability to group attack then it comes to one on one. and now the pvp system is luck of the face so...... it will have to be one on one which is never the case of guarding. that is the main reason all other guard guild have failed. not inactivity not willingness. but the simple fact they cannot "guard" they must rely on luck.. especially now. if it was made so you could have group fights and an ability to take away a challenge then it would work. but untill then you have to use powers.

you dont kick because a player stole something, you kick because a player refuses to rp, you dont ban because a player keeps stealing you ban because a player continues to not rp and treats the game likes it world of warcraft.  as i said before the policing guild should be able to duel without challenge to enforce rules.